That's not a competitive product. Of course it needs to be cheaper.
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That's not a competitive product. Of course it needs to be cheaper.
Meanwhile, Asus releases a tablet almost nobody will want compared to the iPad. Can't wait to see those lines around the corner at your local Best Buy store on launch day and websites crashing when pre-orders go up.
iPad 3 will sell this year alone more than what iPad 1 and 2 did since iPad 1's launch in total. I have no doubt of that.
LyleLanley
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Aren't you the guy who called Apple "Crapple"?
Yes, he is.
Ninja Scooter
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What a completely stupid and nonsensical statement.
We don't know how stiff of competition Win8 will provide, or if WoA is going to even be a popular product at all. As for lowering your price, you do that when the competition arrives, not 8 months before.
Backfoggen
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Maybe next year the rumors of a more expensive and powerful iPad/iPhone as well as a cheaper entry-level version will become true!
Apple will probably fall into the medium part of the spectrum. Windows 8 will likely grab the high-end with do-it-all ultrabooks with PC specs, tablet inputs and an enterprise-grade OS. Kindle will round out the bottom with what I can only imagine will be some beastly but inexpensive media tablet.
Android 4.0
Quad-core Tegra 3
1280x800
Expandable storage
..all at $250.
That's not competitive to you? What makes a product competitive, then? An Apple logo on the back?
LyleLanley
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If we're talking about the average consumer then yes, an Apple logo on the back would help. As for the rest of your post, again the average consumer doesn't care about those things.
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How can it be competitive when there is no chance it will sell even 1/10th of what iPad 3 will do this year?
Competitive in the marketplace. You think Asus enjoys living on little to no margins? They have no choice.
That says everything about user experience. Bow down to the incoming Asus lords.
Treefingers
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Garbaga: I want it to be cheaper, WHY WON'T THEY MAKE IT CHEAPER LOOK AT THIS CHEAP TABLET
planar1280
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I will give you THREEE reasons there is no competition
1. Apps
- iPad has more abundant and better apps than Android on any platform and no can can deny it except fanboys
2. No Fragmentation
- Performance on iPad is consistently FAST. There is no shopping and in a couple of months you get a faster Android Tablet with its own quirks
3. Polish and Performance of Apps on both platforms
- Developers polish the apps better on iOS and due to lack of fragmentation Apps perform better. One reason is because Apps sell more on iOS and developers get more $
freenudemacusers
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ignoring the spec battles and such, yeah, I don't think most companies really want to race to the bottom if they can help it.
It's kinda an Apples (pun not intended) to Oranges thing. You'll be spending way more for an iPad, true, but it's really the ecosystem and the status symbol that drive people (I mean that's really what Apple sells, not necessarily hardware or software). Also, no one really gives a shit about tablet performance because 99% of stuff that people do on tablets isn't taxing. A5s are already a huge waste. A high-res display may actually put it to work ironically.
That's why Amazon is such a kick in the nuts to these guys. They can't compete with Apple at the higher price points, and can't compete with Amazon in the basement and make any money.
What exactly do you think "fragmentation" means?
planar1280
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Technosteve
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Apple ain't no status symbol when every mother fucker has one, I can't swag out and be different.
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The way you stand out is to always have the latest hotness and only put official Apple accessories on them.
iPad 3 with my iPhone 4S. That's right, honey. Double the Retina. I'm twice the man than any other you'll run into.
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Might have to, 1x iPhone/iPod retina on the new screen would be what old apps are like on the current screen, otherwise 1x would be a pretty small block in the middle of the screen. You'd still have to double up iPhone/iPod retina assets if you wanted them large though, they'd look better than before but still low res compared to native apps on the new screen.
It's also free on iOS. Excellent app IMO. I've seriously saved time and avoided things (including cops/traps) I otherwise wouldn't have without it's amazing notification system.
Sorry, but the "status symbol" thing doesn't wash like it used to. Apple's drastically increased ownership of the markets it competes in point to the mass market is accepting Apple at the prices they charge.
My whole ecosystem of friends and family are flush with iPhones, Touches, iPads, Macbooks, etc., and the vast majority of them are teachers or state employees. Not exactly Joe Yuppie types out to impress anybody.
Apple delivers well supported, solid products that are reliable, fast, and easy to use. Considering the competition has never hit all these basic bullet points, the bar isn't set super high to begin with. It's easy to charge a premium when your competition is so inept.
My whole ecosystem of friends and family are flush with iPhones, Touches, iPads, Macbooks, etc., and the vast majority of them are teachers or state employees. Not exactly Joe Yuppie types out to impress anybody.
Apple delivers well supported, solid products that are reliable, fast, and easy to use. Considering the competition has never hit all these basic bullet points, the bar isn't set super high to begin with. It's easy to charge a premium when your competition is so inept.
Technosteve
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Aw yeah swag out with the freshness
Dreams-Visions
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this is what the competition has to beat.
precisely. in fact, it couldn't have been said any better.
Asus, Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Motarola and RIM aren't competing against a physical device. The device is only the gateway. A really nice gateway, to be sure...but they must compete with the ECOSYSTEM. The apps, the games, the content, the 3rd party peripherials, car cradles, speaker decks, etc. The ecosystem that Apple has spent a decade slowly building up. Anyone who doesn't understand that is on the wrong track for understanding how Apple can be beaten in their chosen spaces.
People buy Apple products for the same reasons they buy Glock handguns: they're consistently among the best at what they do, they have an endless array of 3rd party products and good prices, they're well supported by the manufacturer, and their plentiful.
People claiming a $250 tegra 3 android 4.0 is not competitive is funny. It is not going to sell as well as iPads, but i think it can sell more than the Kindle Fire (isn't it #1 android tablet?)
It's a hell of a deal, where else can you get anything close to that? I don't believe its possible to buy and first gen iPad for that price nowadays, and it seems a lot better than a simple iPad for me.
Still, iPad 3 will sell more than iPad 2, by far.
It's a hell of a deal, where else can you get anything close to that? I don't believe its possible to buy and first gen iPad for that price nowadays, and it seems a lot better than a simple iPad for me.
Still, iPad 3 will sell more than iPad 2, by far.
OK. But your comment was unrelated to this and unintelligible.
Fragmentation has always been a ridiculous bogeyman argument from the perspective of end users. I mean, you have the exact same issue on Macs, since not everyone can or chooses to update to the latest version of OSX, yet no one thinks the sky is falling there.
Much agree, I am actually planning on ditching my Android Phone for a iPhone 5 just because of the app market for it. I am quite disappointed with the Android Market although it is much much better than what it was when I was on my HTC G1 on the early days of Android 1.5/1.6.
I will have to disagree with this. Yes it is a hell of a deal and I will be getting one but I am not the average consumer I read up on specs and stats. You think the average consumer knows what the hell that A4 chip inside their iOS device even means? Probably not. Most aren't going to buy both an Android and iOS tablet like myself as well and with brand loyalty and luster Apple will sell well no matter what the competition comes out with until "apparent" innovation starts running out or consumers start educating themselves better.
If you look at some of the comments developers have made about the pain it is to support all the variations of Android OSes out there plus the varying screen sizes and hardware configurations, then, yes, fragmentation is a real issue.
and it can affect customers. it’s not “ooh, the end of the world” but it’s a problem that is worse on Android than iOS - and it makes developing and supporting apps harder on Android.
for example, when Netflix launched on Android, out of all the various Android phones out there, it only supported six:
I think comparing Android fragmentation to Mac OS (or Windows) is comparing apple and oranges. the comparison needs to be iOS (and possibly WP7 and WP8 in the future). there are different expectations from users and different restrictions on the developers between mobile and desktop apps.
Here's what Fragmentation means to me:
Android:
I can go to any store and buy myself a brand new Android device, but I can't be guaranteed that every device will have the latest OS on it. I could get one with 4, or I could get one with 2. And if I get one, there is no guarantee that I will ever be able to upgrade to 4. I have an Android phone that has 2.1 on it and there's literally no way to upgrade it to even the highest 2.x version let alone 4.x. And these are brand new phones. Google has no say over what OS is sold on brand new devices because it's up to the company that makes the device. If they want to sell a low end phone with Android 2.1 on it, they will. And they won't guarantee anything about updates. There is literally no chance I will be able to upgrade my phone to even 2.3 and I only bought it last February. At the time it came out, the OS was already out of date.
When a new Android version comes out, you have to WAIT for the company that makes the phone or tablet to give you the permission to update, if that ever happens.
iOS:
I can go to any iPhone/iPad selling store and buy a brand new device and know for a fact that it will have iOS5 on it and will support the latest OS for a few years at least. Apple doesn't sell devices that can't run the current iOS version. Because it's determined by one company. Apple.
When a new iOS version comes out, anyone with a fairly new device (They support their devices for a few years at the very least. For instance, the iPhone 3GS can run iOS5 and is over 2.5 years old.) can update IMMEDIATELY. No waiting for AT&T or Apple to say "Okay, you can upgrade now." You can download the new version and be up and running day 1.
Why is this? Because Apple was smart. They took full control over the hardware and do not allow ANY third party bloatware on their devices out of the box. This was a main bulletpoint in their contract when they joined AT&T and continues to be one now.
Google however didn't have that same agreement. A phone company can fill your device with their own software or disable certain apps if they want. And thanks to the dozens of different hardware types all being controlled by different companies, you have to wait for each company to update drivers in order for them to allow you to upgrade.
Remember that this only applies to new devices. Not ones you bought used that are years old or ones you've had for years. (Like if you still have your old iPhone 3G or a first generation Android phone.
THAT is what Fragmentation means.
Note: Capitalized words are for emphasis, NOT for anger. There is no anger. I just use CAPITAL words in place of making them bold or emphasized.
Android:
I can go to any store and buy myself a brand new Android device, but I can't be guaranteed that every device will have the latest OS on it. I could get one with 4, or I could get one with 2. And if I get one, there is no guarantee that I will ever be able to upgrade to 4. I have an Android phone that has 2.1 on it and there's literally no way to upgrade it to even the highest 2.x version let alone 4.x. And these are brand new phones. Google has no say over what OS is sold on brand new devices because it's up to the company that makes the device. If they want to sell a low end phone with Android 2.1 on it, they will. And they won't guarantee anything about updates. There is literally no chance I will be able to upgrade my phone to even 2.3 and I only bought it last February. At the time it came out, the OS was already out of date.
When a new Android version comes out, you have to WAIT for the company that makes the phone or tablet to give you the permission to update, if that ever happens.
iOS:
I can go to any iPhone/iPad selling store and buy a brand new device and know for a fact that it will have iOS5 on it and will support the latest OS for a few years at least. Apple doesn't sell devices that can't run the current iOS version. Because it's determined by one company. Apple.
When a new iOS version comes out, anyone with a fairly new device (They support their devices for a few years at the very least. For instance, the iPhone 3GS can run iOS5 and is over 2.5 years old.) can update IMMEDIATELY. No waiting for AT&T or Apple to say "Okay, you can upgrade now." You can download the new version and be up and running day 1.
Why is this? Because Apple was smart. They took full control over the hardware and do not allow ANY third party bloatware on their devices out of the box. This was a main bulletpoint in their contract when they joined AT&T and continues to be one now.
Google however didn't have that same agreement. A phone company can fill your device with their own software or disable certain apps if they want. And thanks to the dozens of different hardware types all being controlled by different companies, you have to wait for each company to update drivers in order for them to allow you to upgrade.
Remember that this only applies to new devices. Not ones you bought used that are years old or ones you've had for years. (Like if you still have your old iPhone 3G or a first generation Android phone.
THAT is what Fragmentation means.
Note: Capitalized words are for emphasis, NOT for anger. There is no anger. I just use CAPITAL words in place of making them bold or emphasized.
biosnake20
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What tablet is this?
i'm pretty sure the 'status symbol' thing has always been shallow nonsense peddled by people who have poor taste
Jayayess1190
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Asus Memo 370T. It basically is a 7" Transformer Prime.
Wait, it's a 7" tablet? Haha. No wonder it's $250.
Realistically, 1080p/1200p on 16x9/16x10 ~10" screens will be plenty good enough at normal viewing distances that I doubt most consumers will really care.
We'll see screens of that sort hitting this year, though obviously Apple has a nice head start.
Well, I did specify 'from an end user perspective'. I'm sure it can add extra hassle for developers, but people have been developing software for desktops for ages with the same constraints and it has never been an issue until people who didn't like Android needed a paper tiger.
Not exactly an issue of OS version fragmentation, though. Once someone released a version of the APK that disabled device ID check, it ran on most handsets with no modification to the OS required.
http://lifehacker.com/5804109/install-netflix-on-your-unsupported-android-device-no-rooting-required
You may have some point there, but it is kind of a vague argument. What I was getting at is that developers have had to grapple with this issue for a long time on the desktop. Yes it may be easier to develop for a single uniform platform, but its hardly some unheard of challenge to have to deal with multiple platforms with different software versions.
As a user of an Android phone for 2 years, I've never once felt inconvenienced by fragmentation. Android definitely has some legitimate problems for end users, I just don't think that fragmentation is one of them.
The question of not necessarily knowing what you are getting unless you do your homework is a fair point, although part of the point there has to do with communication.
The question of how long your handset maker chooses to support the handset by releasing updates is not a problem caused by fragmentation - at least not in the common use of the word - although I agree that it is a very legitimate grievance about the Android phone experience.
This is a little bit of a tangent, but I think that a person needs to be reasonable about the question of whether their device will be supported forever. Even in the iOS camp, your original iPhone won't support the latest version and an iPhone 4 does not get all the features of iOS 5. The real problem I think is that there is no way of estimating a minimum length of support for OS updates for Android phones, and that uncertainty is unpleasant.
Only in America can the success of an electronic consumer device be explained with a gun metaphor.
Their are tons of rumors about a 2560x1600 Samsung tablet circulating, that's gonna be "retina" enough for Refrigerator..
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