pstec will get rid of the feelings
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pstec will get rid of the feelings
Oh?
Also do you still not enjoy mixing music? Is it possible to regain the love you once had for something?
And speaking of PSTEC is it actually pretty good for depression? Would be nice if it could help with my OCD as well, but I doubt it.
I downloaded the files but I've yet to do it.
Right, so he was a shitty therapist. There will always be quacks out there. But there are also phenomenal therapists and psychiatrists, and once I found them they completely changed my life. Keep looking.
Sadness without reason? Welcome to "real", rather than circumstantial depression. Sure, you can't see the reasons but an intelligent outside guide can really help connect the dots in ways that are simply impossible from the inside or provide you with other tools (CBT, Medication, Meditation) that will make it much, much better.
Pursue therapy. Once you find a good therapist or psychiatrist (I recommend a therapist/psych combo) it definitely won't be a waste of your time.
No, I enjoy it very much now. I just posted in the music production thread describing how I mixed three (soon to be 4 or greater) songs for a NeoGAF member. Because mixing takes anywhere from 5 to 15 hours of work per song, there's no chance in hell I'd be doing it without a considerable amount of enjoyment.
This is on top of 12 credit hours of school and looking for a job. It can be stressful, but it always feels better to meet goals than to break them.
TyrantGuardian
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Argh, I'm also a music producer doing lots of mixing work while struggling with everything just feeling trite and overly stressful for no reason.
Yep, like I said it gets rid of feelings, which in turn also gets rid of all the noise in your head.
After you do some clearing out of those feelings, you can do the NLP thing I was talking about. I would say the opposite of depression is being carefree, so here's an example
I believe that 2+2=4 (pacing)
I believe that I live on Earth (pacing)
I believe that it is February (pacing)
I believe that I am alive (pacing)
I believe that I am carefree at all times(leading)
I know that 2+2=4 (pacing)
I know that I live on Earth (pacing)
I know that it is February (pacing)
I know that I am alive (pacing)
I know that I am carefree at all times (leading)
The first 4 lines, you say stuff that you know is 100% true, and then you sneak in a new belief at the end, since your brain is already in acceptance mode.
Do the "I believe" lines 3 or 4 times, and then switch over to the " I know " lines right after for 5-10 minutes......or however long you want. Just do it every day whenever you are bored
Ah that's good to hear! Glad it worked out for you.
Also I'm hoping when I finally get a job (even despite how slow I'm working on my portfolio) I'll be more motivated to do the work.
I want to be able to enjoy what I do, instead of mostly being put off by what I now see as a chore most of the time.
Wow thanks for the help man! I'll try and start it all tomorrow.
I know none of this will ever help against my OCD, but I can see it helping at least a bit.
Despite being diagnosed when I was 7 (I'm 22 now) I've still yet to get help for it, mostly out of fear and also pride. However with how everything has been going recently I'm beginning to reach the tipping point (although I wont go near medication).
But anyway this has all made me feel a bit more positive, so thanks guys!
Oh I know that one. I just had a day last week.. Talked to my mom about how I was working on these songs and seeing how much better it was than doing school work.
Was it though?
Yes and no. It's generally more creative and it's something I greatly enjoy doing. It's also bullshit money, which makes me miserable when I depend on it for a living. The field I'm studying now makes surefire money, where as long as I put in the effort and do the work well, I get paid fairly. Mixing does not work that way.
I've seen my mother making bullshit money doing what she loves. It's not worth it. The happiness is killed in light of your deplorable living circumstances. It's great some people get lucky and hit the big time, but that won't happen for most of us - even if we're good, bad, or inbetween at our creative job.
I really don't find this depressing, either. I still get to do what I love and work towards a goal that will ensure other parts of my well-being. They're all essential, and they can also be synergistic.
They work. I have been using them every night for over 3 years. But in order for them to work to their full potential, they should be taken with this when taken:
A article on the subject:
Thanks! I got them today (both the B12 and 5HTP) and don't really know if placebo or what but I felt overall happier/positive than any other day.
Indeed.
I would say it's more a byproduct of your state of mind. Depression for me felt like waking up every day and having more boring shit to do. Oh I gotta eat breakfast. Sigh. Oh I gotta take out the trash. Great. Damn, now it's lunchtime and I haven't gotten anything done. Etc etc etc. Just a long list of grievances.
Once I had a definite goal - getting back into school and pursuing my degree - the other things came naturally.
Pride? Really?
I guess that depends on where you live and whatnot, but mental illnesses don't give one rusty damn about your pride. It's unnecessary suffering in the end.
I've lost track of how many times I've been rejected. It has no real bearing on me as a person, my worth, or even my work performance. I've done the best I could.
There's truly nothing to be afraid of. You're making it up.
ThisWreckage
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I don't think I'm depressed--I know I am. There's no reason for me to be specific. I am miserable and that's the end of the story. I thought that perhaps my environment was depressing me, but now I realize that I won't be happy in any environment I'm in because I'm tethered to my brain for all of my remaining days on this planet.
It's really hard for me. I take everything personal and I have thin-skin. It's one of the things I most try to ignore, but it's hard.
Pollux
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I'm reading through this thread and so much of what people are saying fits my life to a T. I'm in school and I've missed a number of classes so far this semester, and I really just don't care. I can't bring myself to do homework. I don't care about hanging out with friends. I don't even really care about hanging out with my girlfriend.
Everything I used to enjoy --- just isn't enjoyable. I love to read, but lately I can't even bring myself to pick up a book. They all sound so boring.
I'll just sit on GAF/watch TV/surf the internet for hours doing nothing because the thought of doing anything else means actually getting up and doing something.
I can't sleep. I'm exhausted throughout the day and extremely unfocused, but when it get's to be nighttime I just can't bring myself to get into bed.
I have this empty feeling in my gut, if that makes any sense. I don't really know what to do.
Am I depressed? I don't know, what do you guys think?
Or does it just sound like i'm lazy lol
Everything I used to enjoy --- just isn't enjoyable. I love to read, but lately I can't even bring myself to pick up a book. They all sound so boring.
I'll just sit on GAF/watch TV/surf the internet for hours doing nothing because the thought of doing anything else means actually getting up and doing something.
I can't sleep. I'm exhausted throughout the day and extremely unfocused, but when it get's to be nighttime I just can't bring myself to get into bed.
I have this empty feeling in my gut, if that makes any sense. I don't really know what to do.
Am I depressed? I don't know, what do you guys think?
Or does it just sound like i'm lazy lol
RatskyWatsky
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I feel this way every day.
I know I say the above a lot in this thread in response to other posts, and never really post my own stuff, but I can never seem to find the words to express what I'm feeling or experiencing. That alone is enough to depress me.
StunandStab
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I think am depressed/have depression. Not sure how severe it is exactly. Similar to what the OP is experiencing I guess.
Anyway, just wanted to get it out there that I sought professional help and they basically told me "we can't help you, you have to help yourself". I felt that going and talking to a counsellor was useless and so I stopped going, and they didn't even seem to care really. They called me 3 weeks later and asked me if I was still interested in service... I said no.
Soo... yeah... I will offer more details on my situation if people here want to know, but right now I am tired (and drunk, which is probably the only reason I'm even posting this) so that's all I'm going to say for now
Anyway, just wanted to get it out there that I sought professional help and they basically told me "we can't help you, you have to help yourself". I felt that going and talking to a counsellor was useless and so I stopped going, and they didn't even seem to care really. They called me 3 weeks later and asked me if I was still interested in service... I said no.
Soo... yeah... I will offer more details on my situation if people here want to know, but right now I am tired (and drunk, which is probably the only reason I'm even posting this) so that's all I'm going to say for now
ClassyPenguin
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If you can, say more.
Every time I write something to post on here, I delete it.
So, post if you can.
Every time I write something to post on here, I delete it.
So, post if you can.
I'm by no means a doctor, but I've been in school studying psychology for a while now, and thinking about suicide often is one of the big red flags of major depression. It's not normal in anyway, but that doesn't mean you guys are worse people for it, you are just having more difficulties then others. If you do think about it that often you should seriously consider seeing a therapist, their job is to help you sort these things out and to give you a non-judgmental outlet. I have dealt with a few close people in my life in the same situation's as you guys and the first steps are always the most difficult, but it will be worth it if you can push yourself to talk to someone, especially friends and family. They're there to take care of you, and will do whatever they can to help. One of my close friends spent a good 4-5 years dealing with major depression, and fought her way out, it just takes time and perseverance, the fact that you guys are still here shows you're not ready to give up.
There's no reason for you to be specific because you've come to the foregone conclusion that your condition is untreatable. Can you tell me exactly why?
This isn't to say your problems are unimportant or unworthy of mention, but I have to say.. I'm not convinced of your self-diagnosis.
Then that's certainly worth investigating through some kind of treatment (therapy etc). It makes logical sense that the average person faces a large amount of rejection in their lifetime. No one gets lucky.Vox-Pop said:
I'm currently in my second semester of college and I have yet to make a single friend. At the beginning of the school year I was rooming with a friend from back home, but he ended up dropping out after a month or so because he had to have brain surgery (he's doing ok, by the way). I've been pretty much completely alone since then because my social anxiety has prevented me from making friends. This semester I've started to feel depressed pretty much all the time because I'm so lonely, which just makes me hole up in my room and makes it even harder to try to interact with people.
I've been dealing with social anxiety since I was about 11 so it's rooted pretty deeply at this point. Back home I had friends whom I met before my social anxiety started to get really bad, but now I'm 150 miles away from home and I still don't know anybody even though I've been here for over six months. I've thought about therapy but at this point I'm feeling too apathetic to even look into it, though I'll keep trying.
Sorry if that was difficult to follow; it's late so I probably didn't articulate my thoughts as well as I could have and I have an exam tomorrow so I should probably go to bed now.
I've been dealing with social anxiety since I was about 11 so it's rooted pretty deeply at this point. Back home I had friends whom I met before my social anxiety started to get really bad, but now I'm 150 miles away from home and I still don't know anybody even though I've been here for over six months. I've thought about therapy but at this point I'm feeling too apathetic to even look into it, though I'll keep trying.
Sorry if that was difficult to follow; it's late so I probably didn't articulate my thoughts as well as I could have and I have an exam tomorrow so I should probably go to bed now.
Yeah it is. When I played football a couple of times a week I'd stop at some point in the game and just think to myself "Why am I playing? What's the fucking point?" Then I'd be fighting to regain focus on playing for anywhere between 2-30 minutes. Over time the frequency of that went down and now maybe once every few months that thought appears, and then it passes within 5-15 seconds. I didn't use any techniques, but by simply playing week in week out I essentially trained my brain to get into the habit of playing football and developing the habit of enjoying it.
One trick would be to apply for jobs you don't want or even can't get because you don't fit the criteria, and thus not caring whether they get back to you or not. You can then develop the habit of applying for jobs and then it will be easier for you to apply for jobs you do want. Or alternatively use pstec to dilute those feelings of fear(this is exactly the kind of thing it was designed for)
You can use pstec to zap away that fear and pride....
And if you're afraid of using pstec, well you can use pstec to zap away the fear of using it...
Very true.
Hopefully things will go well.
To be honest I don't know if pride is the right word, but fear is without a doubt the main reason.
The main thing that will help against OCD is CBT, and I fear doing it. I worry about what I may be told to do.
That's good to hear!
True.
Thanks for the solid advice guys!
scar tissue
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Can we have a general Psycho-GAF |OT|? Or maybe convert this one?
Depression is one of the most common mental disorders (probably because it can occur either on its own or as a byproduct of being ostracized for any other mental disorder), but certainly not the only one. Bipolar, OCD, social anxiety and all that is pretty big too.
Depression is one of the most common mental disorders (probably because it can occur either on its own or as a byproduct of being ostracized for any other mental disorder), but certainly not the only one. Bipolar, OCD, social anxiety and all that is pretty big too.
I'd be fine with this change, Mental Health issues can cover a wide spectrum.
In other news, I'm getting pissed off here at work, surrounded by morons and I wonder how the hell they make more money than I do. Makes me angry and depressed =/
ThisWreckage
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I won't take medication because I've had severe reactions/side effects to everyone I've tried. So it's it's either put up with it or put an end to it.
I've run through it twice. This is like nothing I've ever experienced. It has a weird effect. I may have to run through it scores of times (I'm a mess), but I noticed a slight lessening of pain for one of my difficult scenarios. This is really cool. Thank you Cubsfan.
when you target what you want to get rid of, it only takes a maximum of 7 run-throughs to completely get rid of it
We'll see. I'm quite the mess. Still, that one scenario has kept me severely depressed and stuck for 5 years. And those 2 times already made me feel a little unstuck. I'd be in shock if I wasn't a bit relaxed. There's time for shock tomorrow. I will definitely continue this, for all my issues. I'm amazed. Thanks again.
How much are you guys paying for therapy after insurance? I probably need to look into it some more but it looks like even after insurance it's fucking expensive for someone on my budget. I can't afford that.
I pay $20 to my therapist and the same to my psychiatrist. Add onto that $20 a month for my meds. I see my therapist about three times a month and my psychiatrist every other month. So it costs about $90 a month to keep me marginally sane. Not too bad a deal.
You sound like my cousin(we're both Irish born). you're about the same age. I look up to him in many ways but when he talks about life itself I can see it in his eyes. He looks a bit lost when it comes to companionship. At that age all his friends are pairing off and moving on. He is trapped in the batchelor era. So let me just say this. Weak people don't post about their emotions where other people can listen. You're stronger than you realise. Stay strong.
I am depressed apart from a few hours a day that I might spend with friends. I have insane anxiety issues and occasional eating disorder. Never gone to see a doctor about it although there was a private one that I went to for my eating disorder and he could tell and gave me some pills. My local GP never raised it nor did I. I think it's time I took action and was wondering does the medicine really work and I guess what are my options in the UK regarding the NHS?
Then try other treatments.
You want me to say you're an unfortunate genetic catasrophe, that there is no possible cure and you're simply doomed. I'm not going to do so because frankly I don't buy it. You're here posting on a message board, forming numerous coherent sentences, thousands of them. Difficulty or not, you're at least high-functioning, likely far beyond. That's reason enough to seek additional help.
ThisWreckage
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Well, I do. Not everyone is cut out for this world or happiness. That's just a sad fact.
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NinjaFridge
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If it makes you feel any better you're probably not as smart as you think you are. Everyone likes to think they're smarter than they actually are. There are treatments other than drugs but you seem too swept up in self pity to actually bother. I'm like that, I've gotten so used to the way I am I'm afraid to change and in some sick way I kinda like it. Chances are you aren't a genetic fuck up who is totally beyond help. Getting over depression isn't just being happy, if that's what you want you're setting unrealistic goals. Its keeping those dark thoughts at bay and not getting caught in the vicious cycle they bring about.
I have been on nearly a dozen different medications and am only now putting the pieces together completely. I'm glad I waited it out.
Meds aren't the solution, but they're a useful tool. Don't throw the brakes on your own recovery.
scar tissue
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Anyone who is not in therapy due to costs: cut back on the videogames or something.
There is no guarantee it'll get better with therapy, but I will guarantee you this: without therapy, it will most certainly not get better (if your depression is really minor it might, but if you're a heavier case there is no chance). Therapy is your only shot at redemption. DO IT.
If you'd have been living like this for 40 or 50 years I might agree - and by that point you'd have learned to survive anyway. At the moment I think you're being too presumptuous.
For the record, my mother has been on about.. Boy..... 30 different combinations of meds over the years till they found something that mostly worked (IIRC Welbutrin was central to stability with her bipolar disorder, among other things).
But if medication is out of the question, there's still much to be done.
ThisWreckage
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I'm almost 30. I turn 28 tomorrow. I can't recall the last time time I was happy. I don't even have a memory of such a state. People just don't magically start enjoying life. I believe certain people are inherently fucked no matter what treatments and medications are made available to them. I've said for years that I'd be shocked if I'm not dead before 30 and it was more prophetic than I'd like to believe.
I'm 42. Last year, for the first time in my life, I found meds that managed my mental illness. I can't say I'm suddenly happy, particularly because my mental illness did a pretty good job of completely wrecking my life, but I spent forty years assuming that I could never even have a normal chance at happiness, that constant, grinding depression was something I just had to live with. And now, even though I'm going through some of the worst external circumstances of my life, I have begun to approach something like normal sanity and haven't had a major depressive episode in eight months...which is the longest I've gone without one since I was ten.
No guarantee that you can do the same, but it's assured you'll die miserable if you quit trying.
ThisWreckage
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I will probably quit. Pretty sure I will. I am completely disenchanted with every aspect of life.
As am I
But we have to assume that medical science will at least provide better answers some time in our lives.
ThisWreckage
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I think that's foolish to assume. We have a very elementary understanding of mental illness and how the brain works.
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