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Sapiens said:
Holy shit. The new lock screen camera interface is so much better.

The camera initialized every time as well.
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Totally agree.

Looks so much better and it's crazy how fast it is compared to before.

iPhoto is also amazing. Surprisingly the reviews are brilliant. Seems like a first for Apple apps. Still some unhappy people who have older devices though.

Also, the battery is brilliant.

3 hours usage and 70% (no gaming but still pretty heavy).
 
I'm liking all the little changes with 5.1 so far. Went the whole day with the update and it does seem like battery life has improved.
 
The update has some unlisted changes too:

1. Safari no longer opens to your bookmarks from fresh
2. You can turn off 3G on the 4S

Those and the new camera access, Photostream deleting and better battery make for a sweet update.

edit: using some math, the battery should last 10 hours (from 100% to 0%). Before it lasted around 5-6 hours
 
Safari doesn't automatically open the bookmarks pane anymore!!!

Thank fucking god.

edit: Also, 4G starts when Apple says it does.
 
Enco said:
Those and the new camera access, Photostream deleting and better battery make for a sweet update.
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What? What is this? Can we delete photos from the stream on the iDevice now?
If so, that is awesome. I like having the stream on, but my two-year-old takes tons of pictures using her iPod and my stream is hundreds of blurry pictures of the floor and stuff. But since I am running XP on my computer, I can't use their program to edit my stream.

If I can delete pics from the stream now, I'm upgrading all my devices tonight. Or almost all my devices. I'm thinking about jailbreaking my iPad 2.

EDIT: And what is the deal with upgrading again? I can't remember how it worked last month when I upgraded my iPod to 5.0, but if I want to upgrade my phone and iPod, I will need to hook it up to my computer so it can make a backup, right? If so, I don't know what to do, because I don't have enough space on my HDD to backup my phone. I know that last month when I upgraded the iPod, it wanted to make a backup and since there wasn't enough space, I lost everything and then spent all night adding everything back.
 
EYEL1NER said:
What? What is this? Can we delete photos from the stream on the iDevice now?
If so, that is awesome. I like having the stream on, but my two-year-old takes tons of pictures using her iPod and my stream is hundreds of blurry pictures of the floor and stuff. But since I am running XP on my computer, I can't use their program to edit my stream.

If I can delete pics from the stream now, I'm upgrading all my devices tonight. Or almost all my devices. I'm thinking about jailbreaking my iPad 2.

EDIT: And what is the deal with upgrading again? I can't remember how it worked last month when I upgraded my iPod to 5.0, but if I want to upgrade my phone and iPod, I will need to hook it up to my computer so it can make a backup, right? If so, I don't know what to do, because I don't have enough space on my HDD to backup my phone. I know that last month when I upgraded the iPod, it wanted to make a backup and since there wasn't enough space, I lost everything and then spent all night adding everything back.
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You can update straight from the device. You just need to plug it in to a power supply.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
You can update straight from the device. You just need to plug it in to a power supply.
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Cool, thanks.
And looking back, I think the reason I lost everything on my iPod was because the content on it wasn't synced to iTunes, because I had about a thousand songs on there that weren't in the library. I got in the habit of just adding stuff straight to the iPod.
Or maybe that isn't why. I don't remember. But I am updating my phone now and will hit the iPad and iPod later.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
You can update straight from the device. You just need to plug it in to a power supply.
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You do not have to plug the device in to upgrade, that is just an informational popup. Select ok and then it downloads and installs on battery.

That is how I always upgrade mine (iPad 1, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S)
 
undecided said:
You do not have to plug the device in to upgrade, that is just an informational popup. Select ok and then it downloads and installs on battery.

That is how I always upgrade mine (iPad 1, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S)
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I guess, but if your battery runs out mid install, it could fuck up your phone. Better safe than sorry.
 
Lord-Audie said:
Is the 4G indicator something new with 5.1?

I haven't noticed that before.
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Yep. The 4G indicator will only show if you're in a 4G area.

Also, I asked this in one of the other threads but thought to ask here too. I'm considering getting the Pages app for both my 4S and incoming ipad - mostly for document editing since I do some writing for a website. Is it an app worth getting? I use Office on my MacBook and OpenOffice on my PowerBook.

Thanks!
 
6 hours 30 mins and 19%

Pretty good improvement. Normally I would be well under 10% by that time. Not massive but nice.

edit: 7 hours 46 mins at 5%
 
Notrollious said:
I really wish there was a way to get rid of the newsstand icon. It sucks and it's super annoying.

Also closing apps. Does it do any good?
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closing apps from that tray at the bottom only does something if you have a GPS app running the background (arrow icon in the menu bar) or a VOIP app or music streaming app and you want to stop that process immediately.

anything else will just suspend when you press the home button and manually closing the app ins’t needed. closing the app is for killing very specific operations like the ones mentioned above, if the app is buggy and doesn’t shut them down when you tell it to from within the app.
 
Talon- said:
Manually closing apps having a tangible effect on memory is a meme that won't die.
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So true. it doesn’t help that Apple Geniuses have been saying to do it. that’s nuts. The tech in the OS is made specifically to avoid having to do this. some awful miscommunication there.

The OS releases RAM when needed and the user doesn’t have to micromanage.
 
Sometimes apps will freeze and if you close it from the launcher and restart it is fixed.

Thats the only time I ever remove anything from the tray.
 
I figured as much. I never do it. Aren't most mobile os's made to not have to deal with it, and may cause more issues? I know with android it's made to sit in memory and ending applications will only cause the system to run a program to fill the remaining space? Does ios do the same?
 
Notrollious said:
I figured as much. I never do it. Aren't most mobile os's made to not have to deal with it, and may cause more issues? I know with android it's made to sit in memory and ending applications will only cause the system to run a program to fill the remaining space? Does ios do the same?
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I think iOS is similar to Android in how it’ll release memory but I don’t think it’s exactly the same.

here’s a good post about app states by an iOS developer, if you’re curious about details. He can explain it better than myself.

http://speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html

When you press the home button, the app moves from Active to Background. Most apps usually then go from Background to Suspended in a matter of seconds.

The first technical caveat is that Suspended apps remain in the device's memory. This is so they can resume more quickly when you go back to them. They're not using processor time and they're not sucking battery power.

You may think that, if an app is resident in memory, you have to somehow remove it to conserve memory. You don't because iOS does it for you. If there are Suspended apps lying around and you launch a memory-intensive app such as a big game, iOS will start to purge Suspended apps and move them to the Not Running state. That is, they will be completely removed from memory and will launch afresh the next time you tap their icon.
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LCfiner said:
I think iOS is similar to Android in how it’ll release memory but I don’t think it’s exactly the same.

here’s a good post about app states by an iOS developer, if you’re curious about details. He can explain it better than myself.

http://speirs.org/blog/2012/1/2/misconceptions-about-ios-multitasking.html
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Thanks for that. I figured it was the case. Now I can show that to someone to prove i was right in saying you don't need to do any managing of running apps.
 
I honestly don't understand** why the Apple faithful would choose to believe some partisan developer instead of the Apple Geniuses™ who are not only have to be knowledgeable about this stuff for their job but get directives from above on what exactly to say in response to customer problems.

**I understand but I don't comprehend

In an ideal world perhaps his explanation would be accurate. But

If memory is becoming scarce, iOS will automatically move Suspended apps into the Not Running state and reclaim their memory...

The system handles almost every case for you and well written audio, GPS, VOIP, Newsstand and accessory apps will handle the rest.
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Those caveats aren't true for many iOS users, especially those using devices with low RAM, and there are many apps that are poorly written.
 
Safari tabs refreshing is the only reason I need to manually manage apps in memory.

Tabs need to be treated like apps. Websites are apps.
 
Greyface said:
I honestly don't understand** why the Apple faithful would choose to believe some partisan developer instead of the Apple Geniuses™ who are not only have to be knowledgeable about this stuff for their job but get directives from above on what exactly to say in response to customer problems.

**I understand but I don't comprehend

In an ideal world perhaps his explanation would be accurate. But



Those caveats aren't true for many iOS users, especially those using devices with low RAM, and there are many apps that are poorly written.
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not sure if serious.

Do you find yourself having to close apps all the time to free memory? The Speirs article is very clear describing the situations where a rogue app would need to be shut down. It would need to be an app using one of five background process APIs that can’t close. that’s what I was saying earlier and that is a real world experience and that’s what that closing option is there for. those instances are obvious to the user because, hey, the music won’t stop playing or the arrow on the menu bar hasn’t gone away.

but that’s not what the apple geniuses were reported as saying. they were saying that apps sitting in the tray should be closed regardless of their state to free up memory and make the phone run fater. that’s bullshit and unnecessary.

Not sure why’d you write your post and be snarky about “Apple faithful” about this point. the sarcasm doesn’t help your point and doesn’t make the suggestion that closing apps regularly is needed.
 
Enco said:
6 hours 30 mins and 19%

Pretty good improvement. Normally I would be well under 10% by that time. Not massive but nice.

edit: 7 hours 46 mins at 5%
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Almost the same for me. A little lower @ 5% but I also have 23 hours of standby. Not as good as 4 but this is acceptable.

Hope the next one can get back to 4 levels of battery life.
 
LCfiner said:
not sure if serious.

Do you find yourself having to close apps all the time to free memory? The Speirs article is very clear describing the situations where a rogue app would need to be shut down. It would need to be an app using one of five background process APIs that can’t close. that’s what I was saying earlier and that is a real world experience and that’s what that closing option is there for. those instances are obvious to the user because, hey, the music won’t stop playing or the arrow on the menu bar hasn’t gone away.

but that’s not what the apple geniuses were reported as saying. they were saying that apps sitting in the tray should be closed regardless of their state to free up memory and make the phone run fater. that’s bullshit and unnecessary.

Not sure why’d you write your post and be snarky about “Apple faithful” about this point. the sarcasm doesn’t help your point and doesn’t make the suggestion that closing apps regularly is needed.
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On an iPod touch, when playing games like FIFA 12, yes, I had to close apps all the time to free memory. My point is that presumably Apple Geniuses know more about this stuff than a developer who just read the spec sheet. Apple retail staff can get fired for going off message in response to customers so I wouldn't take lightly any reports that some Apple Geniuses are telling some people to manually clear memory. They probably know more about their customer problems that you do.
 
Greyface said:
On an iPod touch, when playing games like FIFA 12, yes, I had to close apps all the time to free memory. My point is that presumably Apple Geniuses know more about this stuff than a developer who just read the spec sheet. Apple retail staff can get fired for going off message in response to customers so I wouldn't take lightly any reports that some Apple Geniuses are telling some people to manually clear memory. They probably know more about their customer problems that you do.
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You realize "Geniuses" are just sales guys that move off the floor and up, right?

I'd trust developers on this.
 
Talon- said:
You realize "Geniuses" are just sales guys that move off the floor and up, right?

I'd trust developers on this.
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Yeah... Any developer with anything will say the same thing, and will know all the nuances relating to the system they are developing on (especially in the case of the closed system.)
 
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