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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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That is how I am going from now on imagine how it happened.
Stallion Free
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Those endings almost just ruined my love for the entire series. Geez. I can't remember the last time I was this disappointed with a series/game I had enjoyed 98% of.
dragonelite
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Jep could live with that. And let your choices you made in the trilogy reflect back in how the Races and squads mates ended up. Maybe incorporate War assets as a variable that determine if you're shepard makes it back alive and squad mates that survive the final confrontation with the reapers...
Rebel Leader
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I have a question...
What the fuck happened to my krogan-bro Wrex?
What the fuck happened to my krogan-bro Wrex?
The Xtortionist
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Good ending, but needed the ME1 credits theme.
Probably stuck on earth with the rest of....everyone, since the relay is kaputt.
I told everyone I knew when they moved him off of the Mass Effect franchise it would be the worst thing that could happen to the series and that was before I knew about Mac Walters. He completely ruined this series with the last 2 games.
indigo-cyclops
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Yup this is how I feel. And knowing the Shepard story is over and it ended this Fucking poorly is devastating to me right now. Ugh.
Rebel Leader
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I will seriously laugh @ bioware if they say we hate the ending because he dies.... and point them to a R* game
Rebel Leader
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I know I keep saying this: doing both full paragon/renegade were useless
The Anti-Monitor
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Well, of-fucking-course they'll say that. Has BioWare admitted any mistake on their part lately?
They'll say that, say the fans were disappointed because they had a pre-conceived idea, fans just haven't understood how innovative and good the ending is, etc, etc.
what a shame
Fudgepuppy
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I'm currently just thinking "Well the ending was atleast acceptable", then I realize the mass relays are destroyed and that the Normandy is stranded on a far away planet. That's when I become sad and realize it's still as awful.
It's a prime exemple of groupthinking, I believe.
Speakin of what they will say, have they said anything at all so far?
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I blame you.
Rebel Leader
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Apart form the tweets from some the staff like the ones Rebel Leader posted, not that I have seen. The most telling is the tweet from Michael Gamble that says "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever." Other then that they responded to some questions on twitter but ignore any discussions on the endings.
So I can't see any response other than the "trust us and our future plans". Problem is, after Dragon Age 2 and the ending of Mass Effect 3 (including the pretty clear change of course in original ideas and trying to make it innovative).... at least for me, the goodwill they had is spent. I'm going to thinking twice before jumping in any other "epic storytelling" Bioware offers. Not saying I'm going to boycott them, just be more cautious.
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I'm praying for a proper ending.
EmCeeGramr
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It was a good series. What a rotten way to end.
Fudgepuppy
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I like to think that they are reading this thread and nervously laughing, telling themselves "They just don't get it", then they read the complaint about how the mass relays should destroy all galaxies when the crucible fired.
I thought the ending was fine until the Illusive Man killed himself. After that it went to shit. At this point, I would normally be playing multiplayer to get my war score up to 4000 so I could get the good bad ending, but I can't be fucking arsed to.
I did every single mission the game presented to me. That includes every single carryover character from ME2 except Kasumi because I never downloaded her. I actively stayed away from the multiplayer to avoid spoilers before I beat the game, but apparently that was the wrong way around.
The idiotic thing about it is that this effectively makes the multiplayer portion worthless for me. If it's intended to tie into the single player and the single player definitely ends, then why bother? An extra cut scene of my character surviving in the supposed Renegade ending is not incentive enough to go play what I'm assuming is a lot of MP to get those sectors to 100%.
And about the whole survival thing: the colour coding of the terminals at the end suggests that destroying the Reapers is a Renegade choice. of course it doesn't matter as there's nothing to use the points for after you're dead, and you can max Paragon before you get there, but it's fucking stupid. There is no Paragon ending. There's three bad neutral endings and one half-good Renegade one: this is really unlike the series. I enjoyed the suicide mission compared to this.
Can anyone check the save file if there is any difference in the end game state if you trigger the survival cut scene and if not? That would settle a whole bunch of things.
Side notes: the Kaidan sex scene as a female shepard was terrifying. The only joke that made me laugh in the entire game was EDI's about most of the 7 (or was it 13?) zettabytes of porn she uploaded to Cerberus was Joker's. That was pretty funny.
Kai Leng was hilarious post-Deception (and the rage comic version of it) because if you think about it, he fails at everything he tries to do in the game. He tries to kill the Council: fails. He tries to kill Shepard and retrieve the VI: does not kill Shepard and gets tracked to Miranda, whom he fails to kill. From there he is tracked to the Illusive Man, where he dies. Spectacular failure.
Also, can Bioware get some damn new voice actors? I played Dragon Age: Origins the other day and it's mind blowing that every other human woman is voiced by Leliana, and Admiral Xen was Morrigan (same fucking accent, even). The other half of generic human women are voiced by that reporter with a lisp.
I did every single mission the game presented to me. That includes every single carryover character from ME2 except Kasumi because I never downloaded her. I actively stayed away from the multiplayer to avoid spoilers before I beat the game, but apparently that was the wrong way around.
The idiotic thing about it is that this effectively makes the multiplayer portion worthless for me. If it's intended to tie into the single player and the single player definitely ends, then why bother? An extra cut scene of my character surviving in the supposed Renegade ending is not incentive enough to go play what I'm assuming is a lot of MP to get those sectors to 100%.
And about the whole survival thing: the colour coding of the terminals at the end suggests that destroying the Reapers is a Renegade choice. of course it doesn't matter as there's nothing to use the points for after you're dead, and you can max Paragon before you get there, but it's fucking stupid. There is no Paragon ending. There's three bad neutral endings and one half-good Renegade one: this is really unlike the series. I enjoyed the suicide mission compared to this.
Can anyone check the save file if there is any difference in the end game state if you trigger the survival cut scene and if not? That would settle a whole bunch of things.
Side notes: the Kaidan sex scene as a female shepard was terrifying. The only joke that made me laugh in the entire game was EDI's about most of the 7 (or was it 13?) zettabytes of porn she uploaded to Cerberus was Joker's. That was pretty funny.
Kai Leng was hilarious post-Deception (and the rage comic version of it) because if you think about it, he fails at everything he tries to do in the game. He tries to kill the Council: fails. He tries to kill Shepard and retrieve the VI: does not kill Shepard and gets tracked to Miranda, whom he fails to kill. From there he is tracked to the Illusive Man, where he dies. Spectacular failure.
Also, can Bioware get some damn new voice actors? I played Dragon Age: Origins the other day and it's mind blowing that every other human woman is voiced by Leliana, and Admiral Xen was Morrigan (same fucking accent, even). The other half of generic human women are voiced by that reporter with a lisp.
So someone was trying to murder THE Commander Shepard, in the citadel, in a hospital area, with lots and lots of guards around, and nobody cared and just went about their business? This didn't happen to me in my game but I'm glad I missed it.
I think this is one point that really shows how little thought they put on the ending as a whole. If we go by the Arrival DLC and the effects of destroying a Mass Relay, just how many trillions live were obliterated in any of three "choices"? You think that this little detail would appear when discussing our options, even if it is to use the cop out "but destroying the relays in this manner is different and does not take the solar system with it".
WrenchNinja
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Dude managed to make a better ending with a tiny bit of editing. Still not good but definitely better than the tripe we got.
dragonelite
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What i don't get is how the loyal fans know more about the universe then the freaking writers do. And it felt like the writers werent even fan of the game atleast the one that wrote the end of ME3. Like it was some kind of corporate spy
.Fudgepuppy
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What i don't get is how the loyal fans know more about the universe then the freaking writers do. And it felt like the writers werent even fan of the game atleast the one that wrote the end of ME3. Like it was some kind of corporate spy
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It was good until they stopped giving us orange and switched over to lemon-lime.
Ciastek3214
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What i don't get is how the loyal fans know more about the universe then the freaking writers do. And it felt like the writers werent even fan of the game atleast the one that wrote the end of ME3. Like it was some kind of corporate spy
Must.. not... make.. Hepler joke.
Shepard dying didn't surprise me at all. What bothers me is that none of the endings offer any closure to a trilogy I'm emotionally invested in.
That stupid Gilligan's Planet scene didn't satisfy me at all. All I could think was "can Garrus and Tali even survive here?".
Shit, this is the first time a story in a video game made me angry.
WiiredShawn
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This moment is especially funny in the aftermath of Conrad's "sacrifice." Also, finding out Conrad
has a Ph.D.
In terms of the ending, God-kid should have been a ancient, rogue AI with a distorted sense of "chaos vs. order," similar to the supposed original ending they had planned pre-Walters. That would be a lot more sensible than the Biblical parallel of wrathful old testament God allowing Space Jesus to grant "salvation" for all (not that there is anything wrong with Biblical parallels, but this one is sloppily handled, and pretentious as a result).
Although part of me agrees with dragonelite that Bioware was embodied in that damn Guardian, trying to convince us that we have more choice than we think, but was actually spiteful of us wanting more than they were willing to give, and thus forced us to make a shitty choice in exchange for all those times they "had to" pander to fans (like with making Garrus and Tali romance options because of fan clamor).
WrenchNinja
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Oh man, doing a twitter search for "mass effect 3 ending" is hilarious. So much rage and disappointment.
Bioware really is going to have to address this eventually and not just sweep it away as fan whining, course theyll probably try.
Bioware really is going to have to address this eventually and not just sweep it away as fan whining, course theyll probably try.
EmCeeGramr
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BSN has fucking blown up. A poll has gotten over 7000 votes to change the ending, 1100 votes to just make it so that Shepard and the Normandy and the crew aren't separated, and like 200 saying "it's fine."
84% in favor of a complete change, 13% in favor of not stranding the Normandy. 97% in favor of changing it, 3% against.
84% in favor of a complete change, 13% in favor of not stranding the Normandy. 97% in favor of changing it, 3% against.
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I also want to FUCKING KNOW how the universe changed because my choices
Fudgepuppy
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Shit's about to hit the fan with insane force.
CAW
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So what are we to assume, without the mass relays is there no way to travel the universe? I selected the 'control' ending, which, as far as I can remember, didn't disable or destroy any ships (or did it?), other than the mass relays and the Normandy (which is in a slip stream/whatever at the time when the relays were being destroyed?). Hell, even the citadel is still there just closed up (what does that mean?).
With that control/blue ending, can't we assume life continues on, just without the relays, and Shepard (at least in human form)? And again, what does that mean? Can the Turians and other races still make it back home, just not as quickly, or are they simply lost without the relays? Is there no space map, or is the distance simply too great to travel? And how great? Like impossible?
Also, the races built that crucible pretty quick, can't they use the same kind of tech to build more relays or does it fall back to not being able to traverse the galaxy without them, therefor not being able to rebuild new ones?
I'm lost and perhaps some of it is ignorance on my end, lore wise. But I just feel like the ending left me with a ton of unanswered questions.
With that control/blue ending, can't we assume life continues on, just without the relays, and Shepard (at least in human form)? And again, what does that mean? Can the Turians and other races still make it back home, just not as quickly, or are they simply lost without the relays? Is there no space map, or is the distance simply too great to travel? And how great? Like impossible?
Also, the races built that crucible pretty quick, can't they use the same kind of tech to build more relays or does it fall back to not being able to traverse the galaxy without them, therefor not being able to rebuild new ones?
I'm lost and perhaps some of it is ignorance on my end, lore wise. But I just feel like the ending left me with a ton of unanswered questions.
Lostconfused
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Bioware did say they listen to their fans.
The Anti-Monitor
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Until the fans say something BioWare doesn't like. Then the fans are wrong.
See: Dragon Age II.
The Anti-Monitor
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BioWare needed a way to force you to work with Cerberus. Rather than, you know, letting you choose.
The reason everyone was able to build the Crucible so quickly was because they had blueprints and plans. I don't think those exist in the same form for relays... but if you chose the control ending, in theory the Reapers could assist the universe with rebuilding them? They would probably have a clue about how the relays worked and I'm sure they would share if Shepard is in control.
I also picked the control ending, I honestly do not see how the assimilation ending (middle beam) is any better. Theoretically, obviously, they're pretty much the same thing.
Turian and Quarian space were on the opposite side of the galaxy from Earth. There's no known way to travel even to closer systems without the mass relays. None of them know how to build one either because I guess since they were already there and they didn't think they could be destroyed no one bothered.
This fairly large detail is just glossed over in the ending. So everyone's supposed to just settle down on Earth and live happily ever after....on a devastated planet with no food for some of the races.
FTL still exists. iirc the codex says that 5 light years takes around 1 day. A ship like the Normandy is much faster. Turian and Krogan space is relatively close to the Sol System. Quarians are fucked, but at least they have their live ships and can still grow their own food and/or share it with Turians.
Vire
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I really hope Bioware does a DLC ending because up until that point it was literally one of my favorite games of all time.
Sure the journey was incredible but I think the ending is really holding it back from being the masterpiece the rest of the game is.
Nonetheless, I really really enjoyed my time with this game and it's something I soon won't forget.
Hopefully our prayers will be answered.
Sure the journey was incredible but I think the ending is really holding it back from being the masterpiece the rest of the game is.
Nonetheless, I really really enjoyed my time with this game and it's something I soon won't forget.
Hopefully our prayers will be answered.
dragonelite
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Hey Ai god says organic life is chaos evolution is chaos stranding on earth is chaos yeah sorry turians and Quarians evolution is a bitch its all planned by god ai.
Oblivionmancer
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So that's like 50-70 years or something to traverse the galaxy end to end; The good news is that if you're Krogan or Asari that's not so bad!
But you'd think Shepard would do that regardless because they were the only ones who wanted to confront what was happening on Horizon and etc...
Because Shepard had already died once, I didn't really care for throwing her on the blue fountain of synthesis... why would I care?
Anyway, I loved the game until the ending... it felt rushed, to the point Jacob and other npcs were calling me "sir" instead of ma'am. I dislike it when they make this huge last battle and then your ending is just a few scenes that don't even tell you much of what happened of your choice and your people. A shame. I got more disappointed seeing you guys mentioning that the "other endings" are nothing more than a change in color of the ray that goes mass relay to mass relay.... I was totally expecting for different scenes, not just a simple and convenient (for them) adaptation of the three endings. Not to mention this multiplayer garbage that you have to do in order to get an extra scene at the end. Really? What happens when your servers are offline years from now? Or does new game+ increases the theater percentage?
I loved everything previous to that; the Thresher Maw vs Reaper was fantastic. Getting geth and Quarians to work together as well. And curing the genophage? I can't blame bw on this as they really allowed me to do these with my previous choices. I do think it's lame though that, from what I hear, they didn't really do different scenarios for situations like when people killed the Rachni Queen off.
I really wanted to go right away and play male shepard to see other dialogues and character such as Ash, but really... I got totally turned off after I see that even if I go renegade and do things different, the same endings will be still available to me and they are essentially just one little scene in which I don't know what happens with my crew and etc.
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