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[Foliorum Viridum]

Yes, because this ending is Bioware pretty much giving us the finger. Its a mess, it makes no sense within the established universe, it brings no closure to the story and its a big fuck you to everything you did before. If i wrote this in a fiction writing 101 class i would get it back with the comment to rewrite it.

Cold, hard truth right here. It annoys me so much that when some writers have the freedom to do what they want they come up with utter shit which most college lecturers would laugh at you at.

It happened with MGS4 and it's happened again here, albeit here it's just the ending and not the entire game.

 

[firehawk12]

1) Nobody.
2) One of the Quarian Admirals and a stand-in Geth.
3) Stand in.

So in the case of Garrus and Tali, you don't get them as squad members?

If Samara is not there, do you still meet her daughter and how is that resolved at the end?
What about Jack - stand in at the academy?
Miranda - does the Ori/father storyline play out at Horizon?
Jacob - I presume he's just missing during that Cerberus mission...

Who else is there? Kasumi, Zaeed... I presume stand-ins or just outright failures on those missions as well?

 

[TheYanger]

We have not played ME4, we don't know how they affect anything.

wut. Been a trilogy from the beginning, troll post? While I firmly expect more Mass Effect games, this story is done.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

You're not even saying they should write a new ending. You're saying they should retcon the ending.

Which would:

1) be horrible
2) cause even more of a stink

Dragon Age 2

... do you honestly believe they made a game simply to be rude for some reason?

Yes, they spent millions of dollars and hundreds of hours working on an elaborate prank.

wut. Been a trilogy from the beginning, troll post? While I firmly expect more Mass Effect games, this story is done.

We've been told to hang on to our post-game saves. Plus, the post-credits scene. ME is going the DA route.

 

[HarryHengst]

I doubt very much that BioWare made something as complicated as a video game in order to be mean.

Im not saying thats what they literally did, but its how the ending comes across for most people. We get some AI out of nothing giving you three choices which are basically all the same for how the ending plays out. Thats my main problem: it doesnt matter what you pick. Except for the destroy ending with a high enough war score, it all plays out the same. They might as well have no endings and just gave us whatever they consider canon, because the choice is meaningless.

And no, im not complaining that Shepard died or that the mass relays get blown up (although that should destroy all solar systems includin Earth, so welp, so much for a consistent internal logic dictating the world), because thats completely acceptable. Hell, i had that part spoiled for me and i was thinking that Bioware was pretty ballsy to basically reset the universe with it.

Basically, the ending should have been more like Return of the Jedi's ending, which gave a satisfactory conclusion and closure.

 

[Empty Space]

Yes, because this ending is Bioware pretty much giving us the finger. Its a mess, it makes no sense within the established universe, it brings no closure to the story and its a big fuck you to everything you did before. If i wrote this in a fiction writing 101 class i would get it back with the comment to rewrite it.

The ending I suspect is one Bioware writer giving an ex-Bioware writer the finger just like HP_Wuvcraft said.

The only justification for them to retcon the ending in my eyes is because Shepard's actions so fundamentally alter that universe that it won't be truly recognizable in future. This is my problem with the ending I'm not sure they should retcon it, but I do feel that the consequences of any of the three choices causes the timeline to skip forward hundreds of thousands of years and to pretend there will be the same races or organizations in that world would be worse then retconing the ending. The whole reason I like Mass Effect is becasue I liked the world it created and while I'm not saying I won't like the world they create in Mass Effect 4 it seems like it maybe had been better off being a new IP.

So in the case of Garrus and Tali, you don't get them as squad members?

If Samara is not there, do you still meet her daughter and how is that resolved at the end?
What about Jack - stand in at the academy?
Miranda - does the Ori/father storyline play out at Horizon?
Jacob - I presume he's just missing during that Cerberus mission...

Who else is there? Kasumi, Zaeed... I presume stand-ins or just outright failures on those missions as well?

The monastary mission plays out the same way shes just not there to make a show about killing herself.
Miranda and Jacob i don't know
Kasumi's the results arn't as good, but its not failure IIRC
Zaeed I don't know.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Basically, the ending should have been more like Return of the Jedi's ending, which gave a satisfactory conclusion and closure.

I think all hope of some kind of actual resolution went out the window when they decided to extend the franchise.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I hope smudboy does a plot deconstruction for ME3

Did he do the rage comics?

 

[Keasar]

As I understand it, the Reaper Banshee enemies are originally the asari's called Ardat-Yakshi (?). In Mass Effect 2, they make it a big deal with Samara saying that there exists only 3 known Ardat-Yakshi's within the galaxy, all 3 her daughters.

Then suddenly in Mass Effect 3, you come across an entire monastery that was supposed to be filled with them.

...wut?

Did he do the rage comics?

I think that was LumpOfCole.

 

[TheYanger]

As I understand it, the Reaper Banshee enemies are originally the asari's called Ardat-Yakshi (?). In Mass Effect 2, they make it a big deal with Samara saying that there exists only 3 known Ardat-Yakshi's within the galaxy, all 3 her daughters.

Then suddenly in Mass Effect 3, you come across an entire monastery that was supposed to be filled with them.

...wut?

Only her three daughters are known to be lethal. There are plenty of them that will F you up by sleeping with you.
Also, I got the impression that the banshees were any asari they took over? Maybe that's wrong, because I was thinking thatit was just Ardat Yakshi at first too, but it just always seemed like husks were human, the ones with the shields were turian, ravagers are rachni, banshees are asari, etc. Brutes idk, krogan? Yahg? whatever.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Also, I got the impression that the banshees were any asari they took over?

It's very clear that Mac Walters just started doing his own thing when he took over. In ME1, the process of turning into a Husk is very clear. Things like The Thorian were introduced as ways to try to circumvent the Reapers. Everything had a purpose.

Then Walters took over in ME2 and the rules instantly got shredded up.

 

[Tacitus_]

Only her three daughters are known to be lethal. There are plenty of them that will F you up by sleeping with you.
Also, I got the impression that the banshees were any asari they took over? Maybe that's wrong, because I was thinking thatit was just Ardat Yakshi at first too, but it just always seemed like husks were human, the ones with the shields were turian, ravagers are rachni, banshees are asari, etc. Brutes idk, krogan? Yahg? whatever.

The banshees are ardat yakshi and the brutes are krogan + turian hybrids.

 

[Keasar]

Only her three daughters are known to be lethal. There are plenty of them that will F you up by sleeping with you.
Also, I got the impression that the banshees were any asari they took over? Maybe that's wrong, because I was thinking thatit was just Ardat Yakshi at first too, but it just always seemed like husks were human, the ones with the shields were turian, ravagers are rachni, banshees are asari, etc. Brutes idk, krogan? Yahg? whatever.

Aha. I thought they were the only ones at all. Nevermind then about that. Otherwise, it seems the Banshees are supposed to be Ardat-Yakshi, explaining why the reapers attacked the monastery and why the Banshees are so few in numbers as opposed to why you dont encounter a whole army of them on Thessia.

 

[firehawk12]

Man, I totally forgot it was possible for Shepard to have a mother. I can't imagine she'd make an appearance in ME3 though. Other than through an email, I guess.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Man, I totally forgot it was possible for Shepard to have a mother. I can't imagine she'd make an appearance in ME3 though. Other than through an email, I guess.

ME3 really, really paid off in the Custom Background department. I was thrilled when my Shepard started referencing his childhood on Earth, and then Cerberus starting going off about killing his old war unit.

 

[Empty Space]

Man, I totally forgot it was possible for Shepard to have a mother. I can't imagine she'd make an appearance in ME3 though. Other than through an email, I guess.

I don't remember even getting a email from her in this game, but Hackett does say right before hitting Cerberus I think that she was promoted rear admiral and was fine.

 

[Rebel Leader]

WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK!!!!! I just finished the game, and holy shit that ending. It wasn't as bad as some people were making it out to be, it was just STRAIGHT UP FUCKING COPIED FROM DEUS EX. God dammit BioWare. You're not even trying anymore are you?

What the fuck....

It worse than what we described because... all the choices we made are next to nothing against deus ex machina

I doubt there are any word in the English vocabulary that can describe it

 

[Keasar]

Man, I totally forgot it was possible for Shepard to have a mother. I can't imagine she'd make an appearance in ME3 though. Other than through an email, I guess.

I remember her being mentioned about once or twice in the game by Shepard, but she never contacts him/her.

 

[HarryHengst]

It worse than what we described because... all the choices we made are next to nothing against deus ex machina

I doubt there are any word in the English vocabulary that can describe it

Its so strange how Bioware got so much right, and just fumbles at the end. Like giving up a triathlon 100 meters before the finish.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I let it slide because the ending choices made sense within the story being told. I didn't agree with them, but they made sense in context. It's not like it was a complete copy and paste job.

Its so strange how Bioware got so much right, and just fumbles at the end. Like giving up a triathlon 100 meters before the finish.

Mac Walters staged his silent coup.

 

[Ciastek3214]

... do you honestly believe they made a game simply to be rude for some reason?

Well it was insulting to me.

 

[firehawk12]

ME3 really, really paid off in the Custom Background department. I was thrilled when my Shepard started referencing his childhood on Earth, and then Cerberus starting going off about killing his old war unit.

I don't remember even getting a email from her in this game, but Hackett does say right before hitting Cerberus I think that she was promoted rear admiral and was fine.

I remember her being mentioned about once or twice in the game by Shepard, but she never contacts him/her.

Well, that's cool. I did got a random Mindoir comment in my playthrough, but it didn't really stand out at the time.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I let it slide because the ending choices made sense within the story being told. I didn't agree with them, but they made sense in context. It's not like it was a complete copy and paste job.



Mac Walters staged his silent coup.

So... you don't care about a game that was told to revolve around your choices.... throws away everything you did?

All you needed was minimum EMS to get the ending we a saw

 

[user_nat]

So just finished.. Fantastic game.

Not really sure what I think of the ending at this point, wasn't really how I had pictured it going.

How many different ending results are there?

 

[Rebel Leader]

So just finished.. Fantastic game.

Not really sure what I think of the ending at this point, wasn't really how I had pictured it going.

How many different ending results are there?

Different? The basically do the same fucking thing

 

[Hasemo]

So just finished.. Fantastic game.

Not really sure what I think of the ending at this point, wasn't really how I had pictured it going.

How many different ending results are there?

Well, there are 3 endings, plus if your battle assets are over 4000, Sheperd walks on the rubble after the destruction one or something.

 

[SmartBase]

I reloaded the last autosave and decided to destroy all synthetics. It's not saying much, but I probably prefer this ending over the other two.

 

[dragonelite]

Well, there are 3 endings, plus if your battle assets are over 4000, Sheperd walks on the rubble after the destruction one or something.

More like you see his Chest piece inhale in and out thats it.

 

[Rebel Leader]

More like you see his Chest piece inhale in and out thats it.

How is there air still on the ciditel?

 

[HarryHengst]

More like you see his Chest piece inhale in and out thats it.

Yeah, that being the 'special ending' almost makes you think Bioware has DLC planned for after the ending. Almost.



Saddest part of the game: the Krogan poet died. He was so happy and proud to be on Tuchanka with his Asari girlfriend/wife.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Yeah, that being the 'special ending' almost makes you think Bioware has DLC planned for after the ending. Almost.



Saddest part of the game: the Krogan poet died. He was so happy and proud to be on Tuchanka with his Asari girlfriend/wife.

Sadder.. mordin can't run tests on seashells ... we should run tests in his honor

 

[Pkaz01]

Just finished the game and I am so confused how do I know if earth was destroyed or not? The only people that came out of the normandy were joker and the two people I had in my squad? I don't even get to see what happens to the others? I don't even know what happened at the end.

I picked destroy reapers, the crucible shot the red light, it showed people fighting on earth and then it cut to the mass relays blowing up and the normandy crashing. Wtf?

 

[user_nat]

More like you see his Chest piece inhale in and out thats it.

Hmm ok. That's the one I got.

DLC should be interesting.

 

[SmartBase]

How is there air still on the ciditel?

How do squadmates survive in vacuum with just breather masks?

 

[Rebel Leader]

Hmm ok. That's the one I got.

DLC should be interesting.

Wait.... are you even considering buying DLC?

>_>

 

[heliosRAzi]

So just finished.. Fantastic game.

Not really sure what I think of the ending at this point, wasn't really how I had pictured it going.

How many different ending results are there?

Three (technically four)

Control: Blue light, Shep dies, relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet

Synthesis: Green light, Shep dies, relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet, but everyone has glowing eyes now

Destroy: Red light, Shep dies (can live if you have a high enough EMS), relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet and you committed genocide by killing the geth.

So yeah, basically the same.

 

[user_nat]

Wait.... are you even considering buying DLC?

>_>

Haha, that depends what it is.

Even if the ending is a bit meh, it's still a enjoyable universe with good gameplay. Could think of worse was to spend moneys.

 

[Keasar]

Three (technically four)

Control: Blue light, Shep dies, relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet

Synthesis: Green light, Shep dies, relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet, but everyone has glowing eyes now

Destroy: Red light, Shep dies (can live if you have a high enough EMS), relays destroyed, Normandy on jungle planet and you committed genocide by killing the geth.

So yeah, basically the same.

I was constantly wishing for this instead when facing those choices;

Just replace the faces with the Catalyst and Shepard.

 

[Pkaz01]

And what the hell I spend the whole game picking paragon or renegade and in the end all that differs is if you shoot the Illusive man (wasn't given a choice because it showed renegade and I didn't shoot and then I died), or he kills himself? Really? I would have preferred it to be synthesis = neutral, destroy = paragon, control = renegade.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Haha, that depends what it is.

Even if the ending is a bit meh, it's still a enjoyable universe with good gameplay. Could think of worse was to spend moneys.

It was an enjoyable universe. Unless they do some heavy retconning and use the buzz Aldrin granpa explanation of "information being lost in history", I don't see any way they can salvage this series.

 

[Rebel Leader]

And what the hell I spend the whole game picking paragon or renegade and in the end all that differs is if you shoot the Illusive man (wasn't given a choice because it showed renegade and I didn't shoot and then I died), or he kills himself? Really? I would have preferred it to be synthesis = neutral, destroy = paragon, control = renegade.

Destroy is red
Control is blue

:3

 

[HarryHengst]

Wait.... are you even considering buying DLC?

>_>

Probably, yeah. For all my criticism of the ending, the ride was really, really enjoyable.

 

[HarryHengst]

And what the hell I spend the whole game picking paragon or renegade and in the end all that differs is if you shoot the Illusive man (wasn't given a choice because it showed renegade and I didn't shoot and then I died), or he kills himself? Really? I would have preferred it to be synthesis = neutral, destroy = paragon, control = renegade.

Destroy means you also kill the Geth and Edi, and the whole game talks about how those two are lifeforms which are capable of making their own decisions and are thus no different from organic lifeforms. It makes sense that it's the Renegade ending, even though its the only path that has Shepard potentially survive.

 

[Pkaz01]

Destroy is red
Control is blue

:3

Destroy means you also kill the Geth and Edi, and the whole game talks about how those two are lifeforms which are capable of making their own decisions and are thus no different from organic lifeforms. It makes sense that it's the Renegade ending, even though its the only path that has Shepard potentially survive.

But anderson was paragon and he destroyed, illusive man was renegade and he controlled.

I walked towards the blue and then I turned around when I saw it was control and then the crucible was destroyed. Like really fuck if theres a time limit at least tell me which is which.

And it doesn't even matter because i still don't know what the hell happened at the end. Other than it was a bullshit story from some grandpa to his kid. How do you guys know if earth survived or not?

 

[Mad_Ban]

The Citadel survives the control ending? I notice it closed it's arms back up...

Guess that means no nuclear winter back on Earth from falling debris.

 

[heliosRAzi]

But anderson was paragon and he destroyed, illusive man was renegade and he controlled.

I walked towards the blue and then I turned around when I saw it was control and then the crucible was destroyed. Like really fuck if theres a time limit at least tell me which is which.

And it doesn't even matter because i still don't know what the hell happened at the end. Other than it was a bullshit story from some grandpa to his kid. How do you guys know if earth survived or not?

Destroy is NOT paragon. You genocide the geth in that option.

The Citadel survives the control ending? I notice it closed it's arms back up...

Guess that means no nuclear winter back on Earth from falling debris.

You just get a lot of floods due to the size of the Citadel and its proximity to Earth.

 

[HarryHengst]

This should have been the ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDDC7vhdug

and after that just some shots of how all races and squad mates ended up, based on your decisions, kinda like Fallout has.

 

[dragonelite]

But anderson was paragon and he destroyed, illusive man was renegade and he controlled.

I walked towards the blue and then I turned around when I saw it was control and then the crucible was destroyed. Like really fuck if theres a time limit at least tell me which is which.

And it doesn't even matter because i still don't know what the hell happened at the end. Other than it was a bullshit story from some grandpa to his kid. How do you guys know if earth survived or not?

Hell they fucking ended ME 2 with the Arrival DLC and the destruction of a Mass Relay meant the Destruction of all live in that star system something about 300 million Batarians died when that relay was Destroyed. Not sure how many Batarians are killed when you choose to send a S.O.S message to the colony. Not that the choice even mattered from what i heard. You still can end the DLC pack.But i still think this should be post game dlc in ME 2. Not something oh we hear some shady shit is going on in that system can you check on that while you're fighting the collectors. This is also the reason why i though they reset the whole galaxy so some uuber race can reseed the galaxy again with Mixed dna template.

You know Bioware should release a Goty edition or DLC pack($15) of ME 2 with all the DLC then i got the series complete on pc(origin) with all the dlc.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

I hope smudboy does a plot deconstruction for ME3

There are plenty of things that I can tell will show up in his analysis anyway. One "ME classic" is first saying something and then being told about it. Yeah, that happened.

 

[X-Frame]

This should have been the ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDDC7vhdug

and after that just some shots of how all races and squad mates ended up, based on your decisions, kinda like Fallout has.

I can totally accept this.