Forceatowulf
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Again, Shane didn't want to kill Rick. He wanted Rick to kill HIM.
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He wanted to kill Rick and waited to long to finish the job after hearing Rick's 10th plea to forget the past.
The time before Rick arrived is supposed to mean something?
Playing house doesn't last long.
They would have eventually have a herd come, just like the herd coming to Hershel's was inevitable.
Shane would have done selfish shit in the battle, and selfish shit leading them to different places, selfish shit meeting groups of people. He would have murdered people who trusted him. It's who he is.
He wanted bring something out of Rick. Wake up the walking think tank.
Such a weird episode for me. I totally called it from the previous week's preview that Shane would let Randall go, and it became obvious pretty early on that Shane would die -- just a question of who would do the deed (comic spoiler that won't spoil anything on the show... just the comic):
The creation of the spoiler thread was probably a good idea, but honestly it goes to the extreme. I stepped in there for a minute and read "Dale dies." D'oh. Obviously not for me... I just wanted to talk a little about comic vs. series. That said, I think it needs to be there, because it seems some people are incapable of appropriately marking spoilers, despite the constant complaints, which I totally understand.
It's almost like there needs to be three threads. I'm not advocating that, because it would be ridiculous...
Rick or Carl... it was an interesting change the way it was handled, having Carl shoot Shane, but a turned Shane
The creation of the spoiler thread was probably a good idea, but honestly it goes to the extreme. I stepped in there for a minute and read "Dale dies." D'oh. Obviously not for me... I just wanted to talk a little about comic vs. series. That said, I think it needs to be there, because it seems some people are incapable of appropriately marking spoilers, despite the constant complaints, which I totally understand.
It's almost like there needs to be three threads. I'm not advocating that, because it would be ridiculous...
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So Shane will be on Letterman tonight
Can't wait
Can't wait
BoboBrazil
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BoboBrazil said:took some pics from the episode
"oh hey guys, don't mind me wandering miles from the house at night"
quoted pics to make them smaller, click on them to make bigger
FantasticMrFoxdie
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^Dude. Put those in quote tags or resize or something. Those massive pics are unnecessary. lol
EDIT: Thnx!
Good episode.
Glad they are ending the season with a bang so far and not the terribly done CDC way.
Not gonna lie, I was laughing my ass off at Dale's eulogy.
Its like the writers have been lurking this thread...
EDIT: Thnx!
Good episode.
Glad they are ending the season with a bang so far and not the terribly done CDC way.
Not gonna lie, I was laughing my ass off at Dale's eulogy.
Its like the writers have been lurking this thread...
^^This. How was Rick's fault of that herd that attacked the camp?? If it wasn't for him and the bag of guns he retrieved the whole camp would be erradicated (Shane and Dale were the only ones carrying guns then)
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Come on man.. open your eyes. Look at all the evidence he left just lying around. He snapped Randall's neck and just left him there, binds and all. He made NO ATTEMPT to corroborate a decent story. None what so fucking ever. He knew he wasn't going back to that farm. He knew.
Why doesn't the time before Rick mean anything? Because they were doing fairly well without hordes of zombies eating their people?
Playing house doesn't last long? Yeah it certainly doesn't last very long when Super Rick is your leader. AKA Mr. Zombie Catnip. Super Rick can certainly attest to that on TWO accounts now.
The only person Shane has murdered was Otis. And he did that to save his own ass and the ass of a small child he dearly loved. What a total maniac.
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"I saw him shoot you with my gun and then I snapped his neck." Sent Darryl and Glen off in the wrong direction. It was a crappy attempt, but it was an attempt.
He was conflicted enough that he didn't want to shoot an unarmed man. If Rick had for a second gone for his gone in a threatening manner, Shane would've pulled the trigger.
Fidelis Hodie
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I feel like all aspects of production are vastly improved over the first half of the second season. The sound isn't just compressed to hell and back anymore, shots actually mean something more than just coverage (there's been multiple times where I've let out an audible, "damn, I like that shot" since the break; case in point, the stand-off moon shot) and the editing has seemed to click more with these sudden advancements.
It doesn't help some of the mind-numbingly dumb writing, but it's certainly improved vastly. From S2E7 to now, I've really, really enjoyed the show.
I think I actually like it better than how this part was handled in the comics. Gasp!
Oh Team Shane, please.
Shane leading the group would have been a disaster. Apart from having them park in the middle of a forest with no defenses except for some cans-on-strings, they would have been on a wild goose chase to Fort Bennet <or whatever> that we know is overrun. Shane would have happily sacrificed most of the group at this stage as long as he, lori and carl were safe. Not good for the group or themselves in the long run.
And his swansong brings a zombie herd. Nice one Shane. Good riddance.
I think we're seeing the CDC secret now that dead people are just coming back as zombies without being bitten now. Rick knows what's going on.
I think they are paying attention to Internet Memes. T-Dawg talking again, mentioning Dale face.
Shane leading the group would have been a disaster. Apart from having them park in the middle of a forest with no defenses except for some cans-on-strings, they would have been on a wild goose chase to Fort Bennet <or whatever> that we know is overrun. Shane would have happily sacrificed most of the group at this stage as long as he, lori and carl were safe. Not good for the group or themselves in the long run.
And his swansong brings a zombie herd. Nice one Shane. Good riddance.
I think we're seeing the CDC secret now that dead people are just coming back as zombies without being bitten now. Rick knows what's going on.
Not gonna lie, I was laughing my ass off at Dale's eulogy.
Its like the writers have been lurking this thread...
I think they are paying attention to Internet Memes. T-Dawg talking again, mentioning Dale face.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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From the Interview with (Shane) posted earlier by Cornballer:
I'm gonna miss Shane. I knew about his death beforehand from the comic, but really like the conflicted character they were going with in the show.
I'm gonna miss Shane. I knew about his death beforehand from the comic, but really like the conflicted character they were going with in the show.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Lmao, they are so fucked 
ryutaro's mama
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FantasticMrFoxdie
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I hope T-dawg and Hershel get their own spin-off show of them crashing out in the living room together. It could be like a 70/80's racial-commentary sitcom except with zombies.
ryutaro's mama
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Foliorum Viridum
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Lmao, they are so fucked
How do you not notice that? I mean seriously hahaha.
She had to hold it back. Boy scout was back in town and she had to make him feel special.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Did you watch the episode? He gave Rick PERMISSION to point the gun at him in a threatening manner, with his own gun lowered. He was literally begging him to do it.
Shane is a smart man. He's quick on his feet. Yet he made no plans to make it seem like Randall legitimately escaped. He made no plans to conceal the evidence that he was still bound in the forest. He made no attempt to hide Randalls body from a potential search party.
He had ALL DAY to come up with a decent plan to make this all look good. And it's painfully obvious that he didn't even fucking try.
Shane knew he wasn't going back to that farm, man. Wake up.
So far Rick's reign has been nothing short of a disaster as well. So.. yeah.
But one thing is still for sure: Before Rick showed up, when Shane was still running shit, that group was very much alive. Now, not so much.
Lol, this is one of the more egregious logical fallacies I've come across and it's in the thread for a tv show, of all things.
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RatskyWatsky
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Yeah I feel the same way. The cinematography has improved significantly these last few episodes. I was particularly impressed with last week's episode. (it was the one Nicotero directed, so it actually might have been the one before that) There were some really great shots of trees in that one.
Forceatowulf
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Facts are facts, bro.
Once I go back to school and finish up, I will then finally come home. I will finally come home.Forceatowulf is really passionate about all this.
Come back to LA, playa!
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Again, that's supposed to mean something?
With that logic Hershel was a better leader than Shane and Rick since he protected his family longer, in a nice house, without guns in the same location.
Pretty sure most of the original group would have killed Otis to save Carl. Shane did not show that he would have been a better leader just because he killed Otis. In fact, I don't see where he ever shows himself as being a better leader than Rick, though Rick has never shown himself to be the best leader either.
I think that is what the show has been about up to now: Showing the different ways people would deal with this obviously fictional situation. Either you attempt to save some of your personal humanity, or you go totally aggro and only think about yourself. Neither has been shown to be a much better stance than the other as of yet.
I think that is what the show has been about up to now: Showing the different ways people would deal with this obviously fictional situation. Either you attempt to save some of your personal humanity, or you go totally aggro and only think about yourself. Neither has been shown to be a much better stance than the other as of yet.
Forceatowulf
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I don't see anything wrong with someone believing that. Hershel seemed to do very well with the situation he was given before Rick and co showed up. I see nothing wrong with people finding that to be a sense of strong leadership.
But it's different in Rick's/Shane's case. Since Rick pretty much took over operations when he showed up. Then everything promptly went to shit thereafter...
A zombie apocalypse broke out while Rick was sleeping in a hospital bed. That was under Shane's watch.
Forceatowulf
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It hasn't..., but you get exactly what I'm saying. Sooner or later, he would have had to have the conversation/confrontation, whatever you want to call it. He didn't though and look what happened on the rooftop. If Rick didn't intervene, T-Dawg might not have made it. Daryl might be an "unbashedly redneck southern hick," but he isn't a walking liability causing conflict amongst anyone that isn't his skin color, and turning them into walking timebombs. That is an issue, when your basis of survival also depends and relies on others not fucking up in intense situations.
You're right, there are more "important" things to worry about, but these people have proven time and time again that they're as big a danger to themselves as any random zombie that's going to try and kill them.
For the record, I'm not saying Rick is some type of super leader, because he's far from one.
And let's go even further. His recklessness in his approach is saved only by convenient writing. The manner in which he throws open the barn doors and let's guns a blazing would have certainly attracted attention considering only one shot seemingly attracted a giant herd last night.
Shane was reckless and clearly suffered from narcissistic personality disorder. There are literally countless megalomaniacal leaders throughout history that managed to conquer and survive due to having survival instincts and relatively smart strategies. That doesn't make them leaders I'd want running my group. And like most of those past leaders, their leadership style is ultimately self destructive and eventually blows up on them and those around them.
Furthermore Shane fails at half of what makes a good leader - the ability to unite and maintain respect without solely relying on fear and brute force.
Rick on the other hand manages to do the latter almost effortlessly. Where hes failed so far is in strategy and decision making.
One of the crowning differences between Shane and Rick is also Rick's willingness to change and adapt. Another trait you want in a leader. Something Shane also sorely lacked. You clearly get the impression that Rick will learn from his mistakes and that Shane will only compound his.
The endgame with Shane was a leader that would rely on brute force and power to keep the fantasy he wanted to live in where Lori and Carl are his family to which everyone else becomes expendable or may be used as pawns to keep that facade functioning. Prone to rash decision making, dangerous emotional outbursts, a lack of a moral compass outside of lori and carl, and unwavering hubris.
He made the right call in a number of situations, but its silly to conflate that one strength as evidence of strength in all areas that it takes with being a great leader.
Frankly at this point neither of them are great leaders in this world, Rick only winning out to me because he has the mental fortitude to grow and adapt properly.
ryutaro's mama
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Awesome.
It's strong until the time bomb goes off. Hershel and Shane leadership were both ticking time bombs because of who they are.
Hershel objectively kept everyone safer in his method, but would have had the worse explosion.
I love this.
ryutaro's mama
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Well said, especially the bolded.
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Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Fixed that up for ya...
To say Rick could make and did make Hershel's leadership worse, a leadership directly heading to 100% death of his people assuming no one never came to his farm, is delusional.
BTW, one thing that's annoyed me all season is Darryl's motorbike. Let's just have the loudest vehicle out there, because surely that won't attract any zombies...
Look a handful of posts up at the quote from Shane's actor: "And Shane really did set out that night to kill Rick"
A raised gun gives him the excuse. At best, Rick talked him down -- in part by not giving that excuse.
But I can see where you're arguing from (St. Shane), so I guess it's pointless to debate it. Scene is here (for now): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdLm25S74I&feature=related Don't think it validates your position.
Look a handful of posts up at the quote from Shane's actor: "And Shane really did set out that night to kill Rick"
A raised gun gives him the excuse. At best, Rick talked him down -- in part by not giving that excuse.
But I can see where you're arguing from (St. Shane), so I guess it's pointless to debate it. Scene is here (for now): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdLm25S74I&feature=related Don't think it validates your position.
Oh we're pretty bad, but I've embraced the tank and am happier for it.
I agree 100%. Also: the group chose Rick as a leader, almost instantly. Ricks unwavering commitment to saving people meant that they gave him the crown, because if they were in a tight spot they knew they could trust that Rick would do everything for them. Love it or hate it, it beats the Shane method of shoot-u-in-the-leg-unless-you're-lori-or-carl-when-the-shit-hits-the-fan.
Wow, I really enjoyed the episode. One of the best in the series I think. I believe that what the new writers are trying to do is avoiding all that happened in the first half od this season to "fix" the mess the previous team did.
Of course, it's still has some flaws, but I found the last couple of episodes to be pretty good and entertaining. Oh, and they have some balls for killing one of the characters that people liked the most. Also, T-Dawg had more than just 1 line!
Of course, it's still has some flaws, but I found the last couple of episodes to be pretty good and entertaining. Oh, and they have some balls for killing one of the characters that people liked the most. Also, T-Dawg had more than just 1 line!
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