The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC

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Joni said:
There is also another question: if Shane wasn't lying and Rick was dead, is he a walker now?
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Shane's thoughts towards Rick's death were not the "I saw him die!" kind, it was the "I tried to go to the hospital but there were 500 zombies there so I just assumed" kind.

Night_Trekker said:
I've noticed the zombies seem to be more active after dark for whatever reason. (It's cooler?) Remember how all the corpses outside of the CDC were initially still but then attacked as the sun went down? A hoard of zombies did eventually move through the highway scene, too. I think they were zombified but dormant for whatever reason, probably dead people from the cars and near the roadside.
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You give this show far, far too much credit. There's no way the writers are thinking that thoroughly about it. Pretty sure the corpses were still in the cars when the herd came, and it came during brightest midday.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Gotta love the posts in this thread saying the writing has suddenly gotten a lot better. It hasn't. If anything, it's become even more plot-holey.

But I guess as long as there's more action, the show has improved in quality for some people.
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The writing has gotten better, they are focusing more on what they are good at, but, yeah, still tonnes of plot holes. The only measure that counts is how much I am enjoying the show and I've been enjoying it a lot more since the new writers took over.
 
Night_Trekker said:
On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense that Carl tagged Shane with a headshot from that far away, or that Carl didn't say, "Dad, look out!" when there was a stealth zombie coming up behind his father, or that, once again, Lori allowed Carl to be out of the farm house in the middle of the night during a zombie apocalypse. But, you know... TWD.
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Carl was aiming for Rick but missed badly and hit Zombie Shane in the head, Carl is a dick and Lori is a bad parent. There are your explanations.
 
big_z said:
so i was on the can and thinking about the show and how to get rid of the biggest problems at camp... lori and carl. i figure that now that everyone is a potential zombie i really want lori to fall down some stairs while pregnant causing the baby to die and zombie its way out of her. in turn she will become a zombie, eat carl and rick will have to put them all down. many high fives will be given at camp that night.
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Hear hear. I echo this entirely, can't stand Lori/Carl and want them to die miserable deaths. I feel compelled to mention it in every post in this thread. I really love this show I find it very entertaining despite some meh episodes this season. But these 2 characters just drain everything good from it for me.

Obviously it's not going to happen though since we need to have a lot of those boring moments where Rick talks about raising a family and puts his hand on her stomach and groan worthy family sentimental bla bla. If I had to choose I would absolutely prefer Carl to go though. Lori I can live with if she becomes useful but Carl is by far the most annoying shithead on the show.
 
aku:jiki said:
You give this show far, far too much credit. There's no way the writers are thinking that thoroughly about it. Pretty sure the corpses were still in the cars when the herd came, and it came during brightest midday.
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We've seen plenty of evidence the writers think deeply about certain things in the show. The problem is they don't think that deeply about everything in the show.

But you're right that the highway herd came through during the day... maybe zombies are immobile until they're chasing food or a sound alerts them? That could explain the zombies at the highway and the CDC.

Vagabundo said:
The writing has gotten better, they are focusing more on what they are good at, but, yeah, still tonnes of plot holes. The only measure that counts is how much I am enjoying the show and I've been enjoying it a lot more since the new writers took over.
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Well the season is coming to a close, so the show would be getting more action-packed regardless of who was writing it. I'm not ready to praise the new writers after some of the nonsensical crap I've seen in the last 3-4 episodes.

hamchan said:
Carl was aiming for Rick but missed badly and hit Zombie Shane in the head, Carl is a dick and Lori is a bad parent. There are your explanations.
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I'll buy it. That would make about as much sense as the climax from the episode before.
 
Serious talk though, you'd have to be mad not to see the increase in quality of this half of the season compared to the earlier half and season one. I barely remember any of the episodes before the midseason finale but nearly every episode this half has had extremely memorable scenes with good tension and character development.
 
hamchan said:
Serious talk though, you'd have to be mad not to see the increase in quality of this half of the season compared to the earlier half and season one. I barely remember any of the episodes before the midseason finale but nearly every episode this half has had extremely memorable scenes with good tension and character development.
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It's not like the show suddently turned into Justified or The Shield, but man... I won't miss Darabont.
 
hamchan said:
Serious talk though, you'd have to be mad not to see the increase in quality of this half of the season compared to the earlier half and season one. I barely remember any of the episodes before the midseason finale but nearly every episode this half has had extremely memorable scenes with good tension and character development.
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Agreed, but I still feel like it's missing something. But I think the show is in that stage where it will only keep getting better.
 
Fry8 said:
Agreed, but I still feel like it's missing something. But I think the show is in that stage where it will only keep getting better.
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Mazzara inherited a total mess of a show, it will take some time to undo the damage made by the previous team. It is not like the previous episode was perfect (that scene under the moonlight was so poorly edited), but you can tell the show is finally going places. I have the feeling that S3 is going to be great, specially given the setting and the new characters that will surely be introduced.
 
I will admit some of the writing has gotten better, but they didnt make things any better with having the Randal situation go on for about 3 episodes back and forth. There was a lot potential with an outsider there, but it was just awful that they had to waste screen time on something which nearly killed Shane and Rick without resolving anything. I mean it is okay that Shane and Rick fought over differences, but having Randal moved back and forth like that without any closure was pretty stupid.

I actually really liked Loris speech to Shane as it was probably one of the best things she has said since the beginning of the series. I thought the beginning the scene where they acted all "bad-ass" was just stupid and corny while they were mourning for Dale. It felt like the scene was only there to show that the group isn't a bunch of weaklings and some cheap gore.
However it sense how Shane wanted to lure Rick by using Randal as an excuse, but how Carl found them was a bit unsatisfying. The way Rick commented to Shane how this was a suitable place for something like this to happen made it sound like they were far away from the farm. Yet how Carl bumps into those two than the others when it is so dark surprises me. Even if they were on top of a hill it seemed like they had to go through the forest to get there. If Carl happened to see them from the house while they were on the hill is plausible, but being able to get there so soon is questionable.
At least they finally got rid of Shane as his rampaging was starting to get annoying and one dimensional.

I look forward to see Merle (possibly) returning next season. It is just so obvious due to the fact that his brother has unresolved issues, and is still on the fence with his relationship with this group. Since the beginning they established T Dawg as Merles enemy due to their conflict on several occasions. Merle wanted to seek his revenge not only on the whole group, but the guy he saw last who had the key to his freedom. So it is obvious that they will try to develop these characters more along with this unresolved conflict. Daryl will probably end up at some point as Merle's puppet until Merle betrays him by trying to save his own ass. I wouldn't be surprised if they used Carol as a bait due to the fact that Daryl has some affections for her due to the Sophia incident.
 
hamchan said:
Serious talk though, you'd have to be mad not to see the increase in quality of this half of the season compared to the earlier half and season one. I barely remember any of the episodes before the midseason finale but nearly every episode this half has had extremely memorable scenes with good tension and character development.
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Let me put it this way: if nobody had told me the original writing team was gone, I wouldn't have known. (That doesn't amount to praise for Darabont and co., either.)

Everything after the halfway point this season has been more interesting than the first half, but that's mainly due to a first-half arc ("We gotta find Sofia!") that dragged on and constrained other plot possibilities from developing. Season 2 is close to an end, so of course things are ramping up in every way. But I don't see a clear reason yet to praise the new writing staff because I'm not sure the older staff would have done things much differently. It's not like TWD--which has always been an "above average" show at its best, with occasionally moments of greatness--has suddenly become an across-the-board great show, and I don't think the scripts themselves have suddenly become noticeably tighter.

I'm enjoying TWD despite its never-ending supply of absurd, huge plot holes, bizarrely illogical and out-of-character behaviors, and occasionally silly dialogue. And all of that has been with the show since the beginning. If I see a solid season in S3 with less of all of that stuff, then I'll pat the writers on the back for saving the show. Until then...

storafötter;35979210 said:
I really liked Loris speech to Shane as it was probably one of the best things she has said since the beginning of the series.
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I had trouble accepting that she would willingly be alone with Shane for any reason after the things that he'd said and done. "This guy is convinced I belong to him even though I've been telling him, for a long time, that it's over. So instead of continuing to be firm in my rejection, I'll show some concern for him and remind him of the times we were together before hitting him more firm rejection!" So, so fucking stupid. Do you remember when he tried to rape you, Lori?
 
I can't believe we have 1 more episode left. Then we have to wait like 5+ months for it to come back. :( Now what will I watch on Sundays after Once Upon a Time?
 
The whole Randall concept is just absurd. It's obvious enough that the character was just a vehicle to drive that final wedge between Rick and Shane (and to a lesser extent, a swan song for Dale as the reasonable voice of the group). However, the logic of rescuing a morally ambiguious person only to send him out to die is ridiculous, not to mention it took 3 episodes to resolve. If this is the best thing they can come up with, then for the show to have any hope of improving, they need a serious overhaul on the writing staff.
 
Night_Trekker said:
I had trouble accepting that she would willingly be alone with Shane for any reason after the things that he'd said and done. "This guy is convinced I belong to him even though I've been telling him, for a long time, that it's over. So instead of continuing to be firm in my rejection, I'll show some concern for him and remind him of the times we were together before hitting him more firm rejection!" So, so fucking stupid. Do you remember when he tried to rape you, Lori?
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You have a good point as I forgot about the attempt of rape, but I guess I enjoyed it a lot more since all the stupid things she had done or said up till that point.
 
zugzug said:
Possible item mixup...when they showed Glenn walking behind Daryl he looked like he was carrying a car jack not the edged blade he used before. Yet he pulled the Edged blade out of randall's head. I know when Daryl and Glenn were hiding behind trees they swapped a couple items in eachs hands was it just flashlight or more?

GAF explain this to me.
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Remember when the two heard the crackling of footsteps on the ground nearby and the both took cover behind adjacent trees?

Daryl gave a silent whistle and tossed Glenn that weapon. I think Glenn even held it up for a split second? Not sure what happened with the original car jack that Glenn was carrying.
 
Night_Trekker said:
On the other hand, it doesn't make any sense that Carl tagged Shane with a headshot from that far away, or that Carl didn't say, "Dad, look out!" when there was a stealth zombie coming up behind his father, or that, once again, Lori allowed Carl to be out of the farm house in the middle of the night during a zombie apocalypse. But, you know... TWD.
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We just have to accept that the characters on the show have better aim than trained SWAT teams.
 
derFeef said:
:( So why it got cancelled.
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It was pretty much already cancelled by then, just running out the clock. And while I agree it got better towards the end, the words "best" and "scifi" don't belong together anywhere near SGU.

I do feel the show would have been better if they had not gone for the Stargate tie in. If it had just been a show about scientists/civilians/military that get stuck on an ancient ship and the things that happened to them, I feel it would have been better than having it have anything to do with Stargate.
 
Anyone else wondering if Andrea will end up pregnant with Shane's kid?

LakeEarth said:
We just have to accept that the characters on the show have better aim than trained SWAT teams.
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Yep. But only during big emotional moments, like when Andrea couldn't hit anything with a pistol but then became badass when she started to believe in herself.
 
Lori thanks Shane for everything he did in protecting her and Carl during the Zompacalypse and says that she’s sorry for how hard this must have been on him. OH GROSS. What a fucking ex-girlfriend move. Like, what on Earth does she think that’s going to accomplish? Two seconds ago she was warning Grimes that Shane was dangerous and might try to FUCKING KILL HIM, but now she’s fanning the flames by reminding Shane about the tender ways in which he took her from behind in the woods and made her feel safe. It’s real shitty of her on multiple levels, as well as being unfair to both Shane AND Grimes, although it is at least consistent with the way in which her character is the absolute worst.
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http://videogum.com/490241/the-walking-dead-s02e12-two-shanes-enter-one-shane-brains/tv/recaps/

btw all this talk abot randall/shane/rick.... well, fuck face rick should have just let shane kill randall. Friend > some dangerous stranger.

ah it burns.
 
aku:jiki said:
Shane's thoughts towards Rick's death were not the "I saw him die!" kind, it was the "I tried to go to the hospital but there were 500 zombies there so I just assumed" kind.
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He was actually there, he tries to save Rick by lifting him, machines go out and then he discovers Rick doesn't have a heartbeat. (And I'm not expecting a plot twist, I'm just finding it strange they made a point of this. )
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Joni said:
He was actually there, he tries to save Rick by lifting him, machines go out and then he discovers Rick doesn't have a heartbeat. (And I'm not expecting a plot twist, I'm just finding it strange they made a point of this. )
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Someone needs to shop Dale face on top of Shane's.
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This is also when they reveal to us that the field where Shane complicatedly lured Grimes was, like, 10 feet away from the farmhouse the whole time!!!!
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lol!

So if there were millions of zombies in the woods, why is this the first we’re learning of them? Oh, wait, I know why: BECAUSE THIS SHOW IS BULLSHIT.-
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lol
 
Joni said:
He was actually there, he tries to save Rick by lifting him, machines go out and then he discovers Rick doesn't have a heartbeat. (And I'm not expecting a plot twist, I'm just finding it strange they made a point of this. )
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Well, Shane said he didn't hear a heartbeat, or at least he didn't think he heard one. He said he couldn't be sure because there was loud gunfire, explosions, and people screaming outside. If you watch the scene closely, Shane's behavior makes it clear that he doesn't understand the functions of the medical equipment Rick is hooked up to. He thinks pulling Rick off the monitors might kill him. Then, when the power goes out and the equipment is knocked offline, he seems to think Rick must be dead as a result.

The audience is left to wonder how much of Shane believing Rick was dead was actually wishful thinking on Shane's part. And the brilliant thing is that the scene, paired with what Shane says and how he behaves later, implies that Shane wonders the same thing and hates himself for it. It's a pure character development scene and one of the very best the show has offered so far, IMO.

Now if you want to talk about a truly baffling scene, how about that pre-apocolypse flashback with Lori and a friend talking before being interrupted by Shane, who is bringing her news of Rick being shot? What the hell was the purpose of that?
 
This is interesting. Kirkman on zombie conversion:

Also during the panel for the zombie smash, the critics — feeling rather like zombies themselves as the winter press tour grinds to a close on Sunday — scrutinized zombies’ speed — both rising from the dead and walking after that. “The speed with which you turn into a zombie is something we’re very mindful of,” said creator and executive producer Robert Kirkman. “It’s based on your physical health at the time and other variables. You can be faster or slower. It all depends on your life as a zombie, how long you’ve been dead, the condition you were in when you died.”
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