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2012 NBA Mar |OT| Knicks fans now drinking JD in straight shots

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Why would the Nets even trade for Dwight? What sense does it make?

If you trade for him now, you just ruin your draft pick and give up assets.

if you wait til the offseason, you have a lottery pick + whatever you want to keep now.


I was thinking of that piece on how contenders try to keep cores together and how this leads to teams slowly getting worse but afraid to move any of the core because of the past together and general fear in uncertainty. The last Lakers dynasty went through a similar aspect where they still had Shaq and Kobe dominating but the rest of the team was slowly turning into shambles or guys like Rick Fox were still playing too many minutes because of their veteran status.

Shaq was obviously a blow it up situation but the current Lakers still have Bynum and Kobe to keep, can you move Pau to keep contending for more years or are you dropping off from a level to where you will still win but not be quite good enough? Do you then stick with Pau, try to win with what you have one or two more times (like the Shaq team did in 2003 and 2004), let Kobe chase Kareem and try to setup the future building around Bynum?

On the other hand you also have the willful disbanding of contenders like the Mavericks somewhat did, and in another sport a team like the Marlins. The Odom trade being along these lines, if he's still around does that completely take the notion off the table because of how good the team is, or does it make moving Pau for depth more attractive?

Sorry about the rambling on hypotheticals, I think it's an interesting aspect of constructing a team, when to pull the plug (like the Bucks did today on Bogut) and when to hold serve and trying to patch things up in an attempt to keep going. (Trading Pau could arguably be seen as both.)

Eh, 2003 the lakers were a robert horry 3 from probably winning the title again. in 2004, Malone got hurt. While I agree with your argument, I think those examples don't work.

Like I said, I'm fine with trading Pau for the right package. I agree with your sentiments. I just don't think the packages presented, especially with Boozer, actually improve the team.
 
Bulls don't have shit we would want for Pau. Boozer, no matter what you package him with, is not wanted. The Laker front office is being very tight with adding contracts. The reason Pau is on the block (and to some extent the Odom deal) were as much about shedding salary as it is about improving the team. With the luxury tax looming they want to cut back costs. It makes no sense to trade Pau for a PF that is worse than him and with a longer contract.
 
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Bulls don't have shit we would want for Pau. Boozer, no matter what you package him with, is not wanted. The Laker front office is being very tight with adding contracts. The reason Pau is on the block (and to some extent the Odom deal) were as much about shedding salary as it is about improving the team. With the luxury tax looming they want to cut back costs. It makes no sense to trade Pau for a PF that is worse than him and with a longer contract.
I'll step down, and let you become President of the Boozer Defense Force. How about that?
 
Why would the Nets even trade for Dwight? What sense does it make?

If you trade for him now, you just ruin your draft pick and give up assets.

if you wait til the offseason, you have a lottery pick + whatever you want to keep now.
Unless they're afraid he doesn't really want to play for the Nets or some other team gets him and he decides to stay, and then they lose Deron.
Eh, 2003 the lakers were a robert horry 3 from probably winning the title again. in 2004, Malone got hurt. While I agree with your argument, I think those examples don't work.
Sorry, I rambled too much and obscured it, my point was that the Lakers could go again and contend like those teams did despite the atrophied benches because of their superstars but they were and are far more vulnerable than the team at the start of the era because of that. Didn't mean to say the window was closed on the 2003 and 2004 teams, like the window isn't closed now, it's just harder to get through than it was.

With two superstars, or in some cases just one, you're always going to contend just because of that, but it can be harder to defeat the other contenders. Shaq and Kobe are probably enough to still win 50+ games and go deep in the playoffs in 2005 and 2006 (assuming they get along more) but they won't crush the Spurs and Mavericks and Suns like they were crushing everyone at the start of the decade.
 
Lakers are very disrespectful to be cutting salary, when they have a tv deal that can pay said salaries twice over every season.

Yes, there are other factors but its still rude.
 
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...new-york-knicks-locker-room-according-sources
D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.

"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."

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In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

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Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

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Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.
 
The Asterisk Banner.

No team that wins this year will be seen as a legit champion (even though they will have gone through a more vicious regular season this year.)
 
Bulls need to stop wasting time with Gasol. They should be pursuing Allen. Celtics would love Asik, but how do the numbers possibly work?

EDIT: Brewer/Watson/Asik for Ray works.
 
I said it's PART of the reason. Having all that money wrapped up in 2 or 3 players is going to get harder and harder, especially as Kobe and Pau age. Clearing up space gives you more flexibility. Even for a team like the Lakers, there are limits. If you are constantly over the cap, adding players basically means paying 2X their salary because of the tax.

Shit, baseball doesn't even have a cap and even the Yankees are trying to trim spending. At a certain point it becomes wasteful and inhibits you when you actually want to rebuild or reload.
 
Bulls need to stop wasting time with Gasol. They should be pursuing Allen. Celtics would love Asik, but how do the numbers possibly work?

I totally agree, they should be able to get Ray.

The only Bulls that are untradeable for me are Rose, Deng and the rights to Mirotic.

I'd like Noah to stay as well.

I heard Ray would cost the Bulls picks or something, not sure.
 
I said it's PART of the reason. Having all that money wrapped up in 2 or 3 players is going to get harder and harder, especially as Kobe and Pau age. Clearing up space gives you more flexibility. Even for a team like the Lakers, there are limits. If you are constantly over the cap, adding players basically means paying 2X their salary because of the tax.

Shit, baseball doesn't even have a cap and even the Yankees are trying to trim spending. At a certain point it becomes wasteful and inhibits you when you actually want to rebuild or reload.

You got 2 more years on Pau and Bryant.

Ride it out and let Gasol walk or flip him then. Sure the secondary tax will hurt but whatever. Build around Bynum or whatever in 2 years. Point is, for Kobe, this is the best he's gonna get since the Paul trade died.

An All Star PG isn't walking through that door.

No one is taking MWP and no one else on the roster makes enough to matter.
 
So basically, the d'antoni system isn't designed to make proper use of melo.

And in turn, melo says, fuck you.

Basically what everyone thought.

mikes system is terible and he doesnt care about defense.fire him
and melo can work better in another type of system like we saw in denver.
 
Why did they even trade for Melo if they're just going to make him camp out on the wing? Why is Melo trying to force his game when it's obvious it isn't working?

Just a lot of silliness all around.
 
"$2 Billion? How am I supposed to feed my kids?"

Those reports are probably wrong. They would be more willing to trade him, otherwise.

It's been reported the deal's something like $3 Billion for 20 years. So $150M per season.

I don't know how much they need to share with the league under the current CBA, but that alone should still be enough to pay for any kind of salary.
 
It's been reported the deal's something like $3 Billion for 20 years. So $150M per season.

I don't know how much they need to share with the league under the current CBA, but that alone should still be enough to pay for any kind of salary.

I heard the secondary tax (punitive luxury tax) is like $2.70 to every $1.

Help me out, Mamba.
 
mikes system is terible and he doesnt care about defense.fire him
and melo can work better in another type of system like we saw in denver.

Mikes system is dependent on spacing, look at all the successful PnR teams the suns have run, and it was always about spacing. It's why you run Amare at the 5 so you can have a spacing 4. You saw it on the knicks whne Melo was out.

But why trade for Melo, if you're only going to get him to camp on the 3pt line?

Stupid. On both sides part. If they really are serious, flip Melo for Deron. Or Melo for Deng. He'd get all the post ups he wants on the bulls.
 
Injuries, how do they work?

Afflalo
NeNe
Gallo
MozGod
Lawson

All in and out of the lineup.

Meanwhile, in New York, the team goes on 7 game win streaks when their "superstar" goes down.

Excuse me, I meant to say "best player in the league" goes down.

7 wins vs mediocre teams. lets see then how far denver goes later.
 
Mikes system is dependent on spacing, look at all the successful PnR teams the suns have run, and it was always about spacing. It's why you run Amare at the 5 so you can have a spacing 4. You saw it on the knicks whne Melo was out.

But why trade for Melo, if you're only going to get him to camp on the 3pt line?

Stupid. On both sides part. If they really are serious, flip Melo for Deron. Or Melo for Deng. He'd get all the post ups he wants on the bulls.

Dantoni never wanted Melo. He was content with his team.
 
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