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[benjipwns]

Ray has to fall off a cliff one of these days. I don't want to get rid of Taj/Asik for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight.

He's Stockalone level with his routine. I'll be shocked if he's not in that Reggie Miller, Kareem, Stockalone class of playing towards 40 type.

EDIT: Bulls can't really deal for Allen anyway, they'd have to gut the entire bench to do it.

 

[masud]

Pure shooters? Naw. Guys who can hit the 3 in rhythm? Plenty.

Knicks take plenty of "rhythm" threes now. It's not working out too well for them. You need pure shooters for SVG's game plan to work. Otherwise you're just making it rain once a month like the Knicks.

 

[giri]

Knicks take plenty of "rhythm" threes now. It's not working out too well for them. You need pure shooters for SVG's game plan to work. Otherwise you're just making it rain once a month like the Knicks.

The Magic have 2 "pure shooters" JJ Redick and Anderson. J-Rich is a rythm shooter, hedo is... very very hit or miss and jameer is just not a shooter.

 

[DY_nasty]

Knicks take plenty of "rhythm" threes now. It's not working out too well for them. You need pure shooters for SVG's game plan to work. Otherwise you're just making it rain once a month like the Knicks.

What I'm saying is... (and check my $tat$, I'm usually right about this kind of stuff [and I admittedly don't know too much about defensive schemes]) is that SVG could probably get a lot more out of NY's personnel than most think. He already treats Dwight like he's Chandler anyways. He could run virtually the same offense in NY with better success.

 

[masud]

The Magic have 2 "pure shooters" JJ Redick and Anderson. J-Rich is a rythm shooter, hedo is... very very hit or miss and jameer is just not a shooter.

Qrich too. And Shard before them.

edit: And I would love to see SVG try to get Stat n' Melo to play D. Dwight Howard would make Dantoni's defensive schemes 'work' too...

Shit like this makes me home sick. I used to love waking up to ridiculous headlines.

 

[DY_nasty]

NY's defense is always going to be terrible as long as Amare is on the court. But Rashard has never been a premium defender either... SVG found a way to hide him and even make him look decent at times.

 

[masud]

NY's defense is always going to be terrible as long as Amare is on the court. But Rashard has never been a premium defender either... SVG found a way to hide him and even make him look decent at times.

Yeah he found Dwight Howard. And shard was a bad man defender and undersized. He wasn't a blockhead that couldn't keep up with the rotations. It's been reported countless times in the NY media that 'Knick players' think Dantoni's defense is too complicated… No bullshit.

 

[benjipwns]

It's really quite amazing when you consider that Orlando has had few players you think of as defensive stars and even a lot of people you think of as sieves yet they've ranked:
2007: 6th
2008: 6th (Van Gundy's first season)
2009: 1st
2010: 3rd
2011: 3rd
2012: 11th (Dwight checked out half the time.)

 

[AlphaSnake]

Qrich too. And Shard before them.

edit: And I would love to see SVG try to get Stat n' Melo to play D. Dwight Howard would make Dantoni's defensive schemes 'work' too...

Shit like this makes me home sick. I used to love waking up to ridiculous headlines.

Honestly, as much as I despise the The NY Post and Daily News...they surprisingly DO have solid sources within the NBA and Knicks FO.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Would you not do it for deng & Gibson.

Mel's a ball stopper in the same way Kobe is. The stupidity of the offense where "if there are 7 seconds left, give it to melo and let him iso" is so absurdly bad for melo's stats/appearance.

I don't think any team in the world trades Deng for Melo because it would a terrible trade because Deng is much better and isn't paid as much and isn't a cancer.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yeah he found Dwight Howard. And shard was a bad man defender and undersized. He wasn't a blockhead that couldn't keep up with the rotations. It's been reported countless times in the NY media that 'Knick players' think Dantoni's defense is too complicated… No bullshit.

Too complicated? Non-existent is complicated now?

Even without Dwight on the floor, that was still a very good defensive team. Jameer, Hedo, Reddick, Vince, Turkoglu, Shard, J Will... there isn't one guy on there that you'd call an above average defender and that team consistently played top-tier perimeter defense. I don't agree with the way SVG has handled the offense with Howard on the roster, BUT he managed to create a decent offense regardless. Chandler is no Dwight by any means, but he's still one of the best defenders at that position in the league. IF the Knicks kept their roster exactly as is, SVG could actually get them to look like a 3 seed in the East with ease - just by getting the Knicks to play D outside of praying that people miss. That offense would only get better too.

 

[Blackace]

Yeah he found Dwight Howard. And shard was a bad man defender and undersized. He wasn't a blockhead that couldn't keep up with the rotations. It's been reported countless times in the NY media that 'Knick players' think Dantoni's defense is too complicated… No bullshit.

6'10" 225 is undersized?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Rose might not play tonight, hurt his groin in practice:\

 

[Red Blaster]

The Magic have 2 "pure shooters" JJ Redick and Anderson. J-Rich is a rythm shooter, hedo is... very very hit or miss and jameer is just not a shooter.

lulz Jameer and Ryan have identical career 3PT shooting percentage.

 

[DY_nasty]

My mind is still blown from that Orlando finals run.

JJ defending Ray better than almost anyone and JJKOBESTOPPER7... all of NC was in shock.

 

[benjipwns]

Defense needs a great system (see: Thibs...the Bulls didn't exactly add their best defensive players) and then you have the defensive superstars to make it epic. Spurs went 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th after pairing Duncan with Pop's system. The Pistons defense didn't completely fall apart until Flip was replaced with Curry, not when Ben Wallace left.

lulz Jameer and Ryan have identical career 3PT shooting percentage.

Anderson takes twice as many attempts.

 

[h3ro]

I wonder if we could get Andray Blatche or Javale for carmelo.


I'd do it.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Defense needs a great system (see: Thibs...the Bulls didn't exactly add their best defensive players) and then you have the defensive superstars to make it epic. Spurs went 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th after pairing Duncan with Pop's system. The Pistons defense didn't completely fall apart until Flip was replaced with Curry, not when Ben Wallace left.

Anderson takes twice as many attempts.

How is that a defense of Anderson?

 

[Benjamin1981]

Rose might not play tonight, hurt his groin in practice:\

Rose for Gasol incoming

 

[jordan0386]

25-34. Add a Playoff sweep with that.

Probably wont work out for this man in NY. Sell high.

Knicks dont have the 'big men' to hide Melo on defense. This Blazers game is going to be a MF'er.

 

[masud]

Too complicated? Non-existent is complicated now?

Yes too complicated. That's what SVG would be dealing with. You can get slow or undersized* guys to buy into team defense and limit the other teams high percentage shots for stretches, hell Dantoni was doing just that during Linsanity. But if you have multiple players (in your front court no less) that are too dumb or lazy to keep it together on D, you're not coaching your way out of that.

You're not coaching your way out of that.

Maybe if you have one guy like that but not two. That's been the story of this losing streak. Stat n' Melo missing assignment after assignment. The rest of the team has no confidence in getting stops anymore so they've lost intensity too. I don’t see how you fix the knicks d without benching Stat. And neither Dantoni or SVG have the balls to do that.


*yes ace Shard was too skinny to be guarding 4's.

 

[computers putin']

Stat is the biggest offender on defense; I don't think there is another front court player in the league who gets lost on as many defensive rotations as Amare does. When it comes to team defense, Melo is bad, but Amare is in another league of bad. Melo would be tolerable if Amare wasn't so awful.

 

[CommonSense]

Cavs are going to hold onto sessions...sigh...somebody convince me I'm wrong.


Melo for Pierce and a first? Who says no?

 

[SephCast]

Rumor on Gasol that I'm hearing is:

Watson/Asik to Utah
Devin Harris and Boozer to Lakers
Blake and Gasol to Bulls


I don't know....

 

[DY_nasty]

Too complicated? People in NY and PHX have been saying for years that Pringles wouldn't even hold defensive practices at all. You can't just go from 0% fucks given on defense and "COME ON GUYS!" to "here's what we need to do". It doesn't work that way. Yet another why Pringles is, and has always been, a shitty coach.

I don't think that NY would ever be a top 10 defensive team with their personnel, but I do think that they'd be able to force a stop every once in a while with their personnel. I refuse to believe that Amare would be a worse player on D than Andersen when all SVG does is remove those defensive responsibilities from Ryan to begin with... Tyson is an anchor, let him act like one and let Amare float to wherever he can't embarrass the entire team. Melo is gonna be Melo but all you need is for the team to not be a revolving door on the defensive end and for the offense to more efficient.

Hell, Shard and Melo's offensive game is fundamentally the same too. I have a hard time thinking of a coach that would fit NY better right now.

Stat is the biggest offender on defense; I don't think there is another front court player in the league who gets lost on as many defensive rotations as Amare does. When it comes to team defense, Melo is bad, but Amare is in another league of bad. Melo would be tolerable if Amare wasn't so awful.

Melo gets lost. Amare simply doesn't try.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Yes too complicated. That's what SVG would be dealing with. You can get slow or undersized* guys to buy into team defense and limit the other teams high percentage shots for stretches, hell Dantoni was doing just that during Linsanity. But if you have multiple players (in your front court no less) that are too dumb or lazy to keep it together on D, you're not coaching your way out of that.

You're not coaching your way out of that.

Maybe if you have one guy like that but not two. That's been the story of this losing streak. Stat n' Melo missing assignment after assignment. The rest of the team has no confidence in getting stops anymore so they've lost intensity too. I don’t see how you fix the knicks d without benching Stat. And neither Dantoni or SVG have the balls to do that.


*yes ace Shard was too skinny to be guarding 4's.

Did Stat...push Duncan to pick off Lin and then side-step away when Parker made the run toward the basket?

Are you fucking serious?

 

[DY_nasty]

Did Stat...push Duncan to pick off Lin and then side-step away when Parker made the run toward the basket?

Are you fucking serious?

Yeah, that's Amare's attempt at showing on the pick and roll...

 

[masud]

Stat is the biggest offender on defense; I don't think there is another front court player in the league who gets lost on as many defensive rotations as Amare does. When it comes to team defense, Melo is bad, but Amare is in another league of bad. Melo would be tolerable if Amare wasn't so awful.

Stat is worse for sure but don't under sell Carmello. Melo’s D is one of the main reasons Denver looks so good now. I think you can hide either of them by themselves next to a good center and other high iq players. But not together.

 

[benjipwns]

How is that a defense of Anderson?

A guy who can take more shots and make the same percentage is better than one who takes less no?

Kobe better than Mickael Gelabale?

 

[DY_nasty]

Stat is worse for sure but don't under sell Carmello. Melo’s D is one of the main reasons Denver looks so good now. I think you can hide either of them by themselves next to a good center and other high iq players. But not together.

Even when those guys aren't on the court the defense fucking blows though.

 

[ph33nix]

Ray has to fall off a cliff one of these days. I don't want to get rid of Taj/Asik for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight.

I also can't forget the way he shat the bed in game 3 a couple of years ago.

As for melody, no thanks.

If the price is Taj and Asik for RAY ALLEN you do that deal in a heartbeat. Yes, even if it's for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight

 

[SephCast]

If the price is Taj and Asik for RAY ALLEN you do that deal in a heartbeat. Yes, even if it's for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight

Bulls current window is the next 2-3 years, so you absolutely do that deal.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

Rumor on Gasol that I'm hearing is:

Watson/Asik to Utah
Devin Harris and Boozer to Lakers
Blake and Gasol to Bulls


I don't know....

Yes. Do it. Unless pau is going to be too heartbroken to play.

 

[ph33nix]

Bulls current window is the next 2-3 years, so you absolutely do that deal.

especially because rose is young so you can afford to do multiple rebuilds around him since it's not like he's ever going to leave Chicago


I don't know about Gasol to the Bulls. The Bulls would lose their best cheerleader on the court in Boozer

 

[benjipwns]

If the price is Taj and Asik for RAY ALLEN you do that deal in a heartbeat. Yes, even if it's for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight

But it's not. It's those two plus $7 million more in salaries, which means Korver or Brewer has to also go at minimum.

And the Celtics have to want to give up the cap space.

 

[AgentChris]

Is Rashard Lewis' contract expiring? I'd trade Melo for him. Melo gets to go home.

 

[DY_nasty]

If the price is Taj and Asik for RAY ALLEN you do that deal in a heartbeat. Yes, even if it's for 1 or 2 years of Ray's twilight

Even 3 years out, I'd take the corpse of Ray Allen over Korver

 

[benjipwns]

Is Rashard Lewis' contract expiring? I'd trade Melo for him. Melo gets to go home.

Next year.

 

[masud]

Even when those guys aren't on the court the defense fucking blows though.

That's not actually true though.

 

[SephCast]

especially because rose is young so you can afford to do multiple rebuilds around him since it's not like he's ever going to leave Chicago


I don't know about Gasol to the Bulls. The Bulls would lose their best cheerleader on the court in Boozer

You know...you might not be half bad of a guy. I like you.

 

[ph33nix]

Not to overreact to last night's loss or anything but am I fucking crazy for thinking the Magic could go on a crazy run to the finals?

They can definitely hang with the Bulls and Heat whenever they feel like it and their perimeter shooting could go batshit the way it did in '09.

 

[masud]

Is Rashard Lewis' contract expiring? I'd trade Melo for him. Melo gets to go home.

Knicks get
Lewis
Jamison
Vesely
Singleton
2012 1st rounder from the Cavs

Cavs get
Amar'e
Fields
2012 1st rounder from the Wizards (unprotected)
2014 1st rounder from the Wizards

Wizards get
Carmelo Anthony

My dream trade.

 

[h3ro]

Even when those guys aren't on the court the defense fucking blows though.

Not true actually. Jared Jeffries/Tyson/SHUMPS made for a surprisingly competent group that drew a good amount of charges.

 

[T Dollarz]

My thoughts in a post:

Magic are way too inconsistent. And they have no heart.
Bulls NEED to pull that Pau deal if they're only dropping Watson, Boozer, and Asik.
Knicks need to trade D'antoni. He's on the trading block.

 

[AgentChris]

Not true actually. Jared Jeffries/Tyson/SHUMPS made for a surprisingly competent group that drew a good amount of charges.

That lineup was awesome. When is Jeffries coming back? I would pull Lin out with around 5 Mins left in the 1st and when Melo is sulking on the bench in the 2nd play that lineup with Novak or Fields at the 3 with Lin doing his thing.

 

[DY_nasty]

That's not actually true though.

Dude, the Bucks just ran through you. The defense of the second unit isn't as bad as the starters, but its still absolutely horrendous. The Nets game where the Knicks guarded no one on the perimeter and pretty much gave the Nets the matches and lighter fluid, the Bucks game where Dunleavy lit that ass up, Thadeus with Philly, spurs, Terry and Roddy B...

Check it for yourselves if my word ain't good enough. The bench is still pretty bad, just not fucking hilariously bad like the starters. Anyone would look good compared to that starting lineup.

 

[jordan0386]

Too complicated? People in NY and PHX have been saying for years that Pringles wouldn't even hold defensive practices at all. You can't just go from 0% fucks given on defense and "COME ON GUYS!" to "here's what we need to do". It doesn't work that way. Yet another why Pringles is, and has always been, a shitty coach.

I don't think that NY would ever be a top 10 defensive team with their personnel, but I do think that they'd be able to force a stop every once in a while with their personnel. I refuse to believe that Amare would be a worse player on D than Andersen when all SVG does is remove those defensive responsibilities from Ryan to begin with... Tyson is an anchor, let him act like one and let Amare float to wherever he can't embarrass the entire team. Melo is gonna be Melo but all you need is for the team to not be a revolving door on the defensive end and for the offense to more efficient.

Hell, Shard and Melo's offensive game is fundamentally the same too. I have a hard time thinking of a coach that would fit NY better right now.


Melo gets lost. Amare simply doesn't try.

You dont really have to 'teach' defense for someone to know they have to box out their man. These are grown ass men playing ball their whole lives. BOX OUT! No coach has to tell me that.

Amare is incapable because he lacks something in his heart and mind. Its not about motivation.

BUT, on the other hand. If you take away someone's minutes, they can potentially 'get it'.

Weird situation all the way around.

 

[ph33nix]

My thoughts in a post:

Magic are way too inconsistent. And they have no heart.
Bulls NEED to pull that Pau deal if they're only dropping Watson, Boozer, and Asik.
Knicks need to trade D'antoni. He's on the trading block.

They basically half assed it through the regular season....and now they know they're keeping Dwight. This could mean his role players start playing out of their minds for whatever reason, you never know.

That lineup was awesome. When is Jeffries coming back? I would pull Lin out with around 5 Mins left in the 1st and when Melo is sulking on the bench in the 2nd play that lineup with Novak or Fields at the 3 with Lin doing his thing.

They just need to get rid of Baron and JR Smith, those guy sucks ass. And Lin should really play with the second unit because he has a way of making scrubs look alright and is decent at scoring against shittier guards. He doesn't fit well with the Knicks first unit because he really can't score off the dribble or in traffic against good defenses and doesn't have a bonafide outside shot and if Melo and Amare aren't getting the ball you might as well put turnstiles on the other end of the court. Although I think turnstiles would play better defense to be quite frank.

 

[DY_nasty]

You dont really have to 'teach' defense for someone to know they have to box out their man. These are grown ass men playing ball their whole lives. BOX OUT! No coach has to tell me that.

Amare is incapable because he lacks something in his heart and mind. Its not about motivation.

BUT, on the other hand. If you take away someone's minutes, they can potentially 'get it'.

Weird situation all the way around.

When you're a freak athlete that can simply throw someone off out of your way or jump 2 feet higher than them for the majority of your playing career, boxing out has almost no meaning to you.

Blame AAU. That shit is the reason why damn near every US born point guard thinks that Marbury #s make you a don and why most bigs think they're SFs.

 

[masud]

Dude, the Bucks just ran through you. The defense of the second unit isn't as bad as the starters, but its still absolutely horrendous. The Nets game where the Knicks guarded no one on the perimeter and pretty much gave the Nets the matches and lighter fluid, the Bucks game where Dunleavy lit that ass up, Thadeus with Philly, spurs, Terry and Roddy B...

Check it for yourselves if my word ain't good enough. The bench is still pretty bad, just not fucking hilariously bad like the starters. Anyone would look good compared to that starting lineup.

That's been the story of this losing streak. Stat n' Melo missing assignment after assignment. The rest of the team has no confidence in getting stops anymore so they've lost intensity too.

Tyson and Jeffries were both out for most of those games too. And that Nets game was just a team going off. The Knicks did worse to Chicago last year twice. Knicks are in the top half of the league in opponent points per game while playing at the fastest pace. That's not horrible.