NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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If Ross and Ireland fuck up with Flynn, which let's be honest they probably will, and the Broncos get Peyton, I can easily see Ross being a dumbfuck and getting Tebow.
 
Peyton will also being working out for the Titans, according to Schefter on SportsCenter. And Arizona is a distant 3rd behind Tennessee and Denver.
 
At this point Miami needs to stick with Matt Moore. But then again the idiots would probably tank the season to pick Matt Barkley next year.
 
Oozer3993 said:
Peyton will also being working out for the Titans, according to Schefter on SportsCenter. And Arizona is a distant 3rd behind Tennessee and Denver.
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FFS. I can only imagine we are still in it because he hasn't called us as he did Miami. Unlike the other two, we have a deadline. Although, out of the 7 mil bonus, only 2 mil affects the cap so we COULD conceivably pay Kolb and still go with Manning. Take the 2 mil cap hit or try to trade him. Doubt we'll go that route but if talks heat up, you never know.

We need Bell regardless of the QB, let's get him!
 
LZ with a Scouting Report for Bills fans on Mario. More at the link

The Strengths

Mario loves to hit the jewelry stores and he’s had an issue with driving way too fast, but overall, he’s been a solid citizen.

Mario’s long arms allow him the opportunity to be elite when it comes to setting the edge against the run. He rarely gets pushed very far off of his spot vs. the run, so it is tough to find substantial running lanes to his side at any point.

Mario proved to everyone that he was better in space than expected. While he’s not what the standard 3-4 teams would like from an outside linebacker, he did a good job, in limited time, of playing from a two-point stance. While the Bills are moving to a 4-3 front, Williams’ history of being able to play standing up as well means the Bills can experiment with a hybrid 3-4/4-3 look whenever they like.

As a pass rusher, Mario’s physical ability — including his strength and leverage — allows him to overwhelm weaker tackles who don’t play with strong bases. Williams’ bull-rush can be a significant problem for some tackles.

Williams’ was able to play alongside and watch Antonio Smith and J.J. Watt and see how their relentless nature was able to create havoc on a regular basis. While Williams will be playing outside, he has surely seen how it is possible for big men to penetrate and play the edges and still dominate without just trying to rely on brute strength. There is a better than average chance that Mario has learned some valuable lessons even by watching Wade Phillips’ defense and his teammates for part of the year.

I don’t know if the Bills would play him in this way, but Mario has the potential to be a terror from the DT position on third downs. He’s got strength, leverage and quickness that most guards simply can’t handle. The Bills don’t have outside edge rushers at this time so the point is moot, but Mario’s potential to bump down inside on passing downs should not be discounted.
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The weaknesses

Mario’s awareness out on the field is average at best and there are times he just doesn’t seem to show very good football instincts at all.

While Mario’s bull rush is a solid weapon, unfortunately, it has been his primary weapon for most of his career. Despite having some solid defensive line coaches, he has been very slow to add to his pass rush repertoire. There is no excuse for Mario not to have developed a club move as his go-to inside pass rush. Mario doesn’t have the footwork to utilize a spin move (I’ve seen him try … it’s not pretty) so that club move is a must if Mario Williams is ever going to develop a mature outside/inside pass rush attack.

There are questions about how much Mario Williams loves football. He has buddies who he rides (motorcycles) with who seem to believe that football is what he does for a living but it isn’t what he loves. That bothers me I think it is important that your core players eat and sleep football and that they love it. Mario has never really been that guy.

Despite having immense physical tools, Mario hasn’t really dominated as many games as you would like. Granted, he’s been on some defensive lines that have been highly paid but ineffective, but Texans fans simply haven’t seen him dominate a game very often. I think a big part of that is mental, too. He has the tools to do it, but he needs to have a fire lit under him from time to time.

Mario is more of a follower than a leader. That is fine if Buffalo has the right leadership on that defensive line, but he’s never looked comfortable with the role of being “the guy.” Even when he had his best seasons in 2007 and 2008, it really had no bearing on the overall play of the defense and there weren’t enough teammates raising the level of their play. I think Mario likes to play next to guys who are highly motivated and he takes his cues from that. We saw that this year. If Marcel Dareus can be that Alpha Dog, then there is a good chance that Mario will follow suit. It’s not a necessarily a weakness, but it is somewhat rare with players being paid like Mario.

There are concerns over whether or not Mario Williams can stay healthy. There is a reason that Mario hasn’t hit double digits in sacks for three straight years – injuries. In 2009, he is said to have had a shoulder injury that he was battling throughout the season. In 2010, Mario had a sports hernia that was an issue from the preseason all the way through the first 13 games. At that point, Williams shut it down and had surgery. In 2011, Mario played in only five games after tearing his pectoral muscle and missing the rest of the season.
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http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2012/03/for-bills-fans-a-scouting-report-on-mario-williams/
 
I have a hunch Ginn will be back in SF. The KR\PR job is pretty much guaranteed to be his. Nobody is going to sign him as a WR, they want him for his return skills.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
same reason people thought kolb was legit. he had a couple decent games with an established team and people say ZOMG! IMAGINE!

kolb sucks dick and so does flynn. the cards already found out the former, and some unlucky team is going to find out the latter
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You can't say that. We don't know if Flynn sucks or not. We did see times where Kolb before signing to Arizona looks like he could suck.
 
MechDX said:
Once again Lance Z nails it. Guy is really damn good with player breakdowns. If he had the desire he would be a top notch analyst in the national spotlight.
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He's tried with some of his websites, but really, he would need to move on from the Houston market to start making the big money.
 
eznark said:
Why do you think he isn't?
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I'm don't think there's a large enough sample size to paint him either way.

He's shown well enough in the few games he's played in, but he hasn't gotten enough meaningful snaps to crown him either way.

He has a leg up on college QB's, because we have seen him at least play against defenses at this level, but you're definitely not getting a proven commodity with him.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
I'm don't think there's a large enough sample size to paint him either way.

He's shown well enough in the few games he's played in, but he hasn't gotten enough meaningful snaps to crown him either way.

He has a leg up on college QB's, because we have seen him at least play against defenses at this level, but you're definitely not getting a proven commodity with him.
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Sure, I'm just wondering if people actually see a reason they don't think he will be good or are just morons who think that his circumstances mean his talent and ceiling are identical to guys like Kolb. In the limited playing time, I don't see a whole lot of similarities between the two as players.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
I'm don't think there's a large enough sample size to paint him either way.

He's shown well enough in the few games he's played in, but he hasn't gotten enough meaningful snaps to crown him either way.

He has a leg up on college QB's, because we have seen him at least play against defenses at this level, but you're definitely not getting a proven commodity with him.
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I hope you arn't suggesting Detroit's defense is at an NFL level
 
So much speculation out there but hearing that AZ might be getting a call to move on from Peyton. Still just a rumor, but maybe some closure for AZ at least.

Edit- Rumor that if Manning comes to Denver, Mike Wallace will be a Bronco, as Denver will give up the 1st round pick to Pit. GODDAMN. Yes please.
 
Godslay said:
So much speculation out there but hearing that AZ might be getting a call to move on from Peyton. Still just a rumor, but maybe some closure for AZ at least.

Edit- Rumor that if Manning comes to Denver, Mike Wallace will be a Bronco, as Denver will give up the 1st round pick to Pit. GODDAMN. Yes please.
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Is Wallace consistent enough to merit a 1st Rounder?
 
If Denver can land Wallace, it will make far more sense to go there. Right now, I think their WR core should be a large demotivator when compared with the other contenders. None of them are even near Britts level, let alone Fitz.
 
Godslay said:
So much speculation out there but hearing that AZ might be getting a call to move on from Peyton. Still just a rumor, but maybe some closure for AZ at least.

Edit- Rumor that if Manning comes to Denver, Mike Wallace will be a Bronco, as Denver will give up the 1st round pick to Pit. GODDAMN. Yes please.
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I hope that happens just to screw the Steelers.
 
So I've literally been in a cave for 3 months. Are the Bills using 4-3?

Lots of weird developments this post and off-season, btw... Feels like I was frozen and woke up in the futures!
 
cuevas said:
Listened to Brandon Marshall's pc, what a billshiter.
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does that look like a bullshitter to you?
 
eznark said:
Sure, I'm just wondering if people actually see a reason they don't think he will be good or are just morons who think that his circumstances mean his talent and ceiling are identical to guys like Kolb. In the limited playing time, I don't see a whole lot of similarities between the two as players.
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It's hard not to compare him to guys who were in the exact same situation (we saw limited amounts of them, they were hyped to the moon, then sucked)--Cassel, AJ Feeley, Kolb, etc.

Plus, Detroit has the worst secondary in football.
 
Plinko said:
It's hard not to compare him to guys who were in the exact same situation (we saw limited amounts of them, they were hyped to the moon, then sucked)--Cassel, AJ Feeley, Kolb, etc.

Plus, Detroit has the worst secondary in football.
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That's find if you are a simpleton. However, I expect a bit more from GAF especially people like Deacon who have shown themselves capable of intelligent analysis. If you're honestly going to tell me that you see on-the-field similarities between the QB's you listed, I'll listen. However, just saying "lol all good backup QB's turn out to suck" then you can go get aids from a raccoon.
 
eznark said:
Manning made a garbage wide out like Reggie Wayne into an all pro. He'd put Wallace into the Hall of Fame.
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Wayne is a lot bigger than Wallace.

Wallace is a pure speed guy and he doesn't go over the middle very often.

Pretty one dimensional and you will need a tight end and possession guy to go along with him if you want to have a great offense.

Plus smart teams would be wiser in using their first round pick and developing their own receivers. It is cheaper and usually has a higher success rate, just look at the Steelers for proof!
 
bionic77 said:
Wayne is a lot bigger than Wallace.

Wallace is a pure speed guy and he doesn't go over the middle very often.

Pretty one dimensional and you will need a tight end and possession guy to go along with him if you want to have a great offense.

Plus smart teams would be wiser in using their first round pick and developing their own receivers. It is cheaper and usually has a higher success rate, just look at the Steelers for proof!
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I can see your desperation in the text...let it go man, he's gone...
 
bionic77 said:
Wayne is a lot bigger than Wallace.

Wallace is a pure speed guy and he doesn't go over the middle very often.

Pretty one dimensional and you will need a tight end and possession guy to go along with him if you want to have a great offense.

Plus smart teams would be wiser in using their first round pick and developing their own receivers. It is cheaper and usually has a higher success rate, just look at the Steelers for proof!
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The problem with that is giving Manning keys to the Kingdom doesn't afford you the luxury of grooming talent. You need to win now. If you sign Manning, the only way that is a good signing is if you win the Super Bowl while he is there...so what, the next three years? You need to surround him with talent right now.


I carried San Diego State to the Sweet 16 I hope they do me right.
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I have NC State in the Sweet 16. Fuck your pick!
 
Bears picking up a WR? Alternate timeline confirmed.

I need to read up on this timeline's history. Hope I don't have to remember a bunch of new presidents.
 
Fantomex said:
Is Wallace consistent enough to merit a 1st Rounder?
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Im not sure, but the move makes a lot of sense. Manning frees up the 1st round pick, by not having to go after a qb. Instead of drafting a dt, use the pick to fortify the wr. Wallace is more proven than any wr at pick 25. Draft what you want in 2nd (likely a cb or dt).
 
eznark said:
That's find if you are a simpleton. However, I expect a bit more from GAF especially people like Deacon who have shown themselves capable of intelligent analysis. If you're honestly going to tell me that you see on-the-field similarities between the QB's you listed, I'll listen. However, just saying "lol all good backup QB's turn out to suck" then you can go get aids from a raccoon.
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I understand that, but keep in mind that that is the exposure that most fans have. Hardly anyone has the time to pull a Gruden and sit in a film room for hours picking apart the subtle similarities and differences of each QB. This is a message board--expecting more than that is foolish.
 
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