You haven't argued anything I've said. You're just asserting that the kid is correct because the kid says it's so. That's circular. The entire argument is that what he says isn't logical. Either you can defend the position or you cannot. Don't just restate the position.
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You haven't argued anything I've said. You're just asserting that the kid is correct because the kid says it's so. That's circular. The entire argument is that what he says isn't logical. Either you can defend the position or you cannot. Don't just restate the position.
I think it's more about the superior minds. As eatchildren said, conflicts with synthetics start mainly because of organics. Being a cyborg makes their minds evolved, and evolved minds find no reasons for war.
MrTroubleMaker
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cool, thanks
I find it a little funny though with the she and he changing with the updates.
Zomba13
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But the reapers say they only wipe out organics. The synthetics would still be around and still be able to fuck shit up if the catalyst is to be believed.
Because you don't actually know that they do preserve any of the synthetics. They probably remove them as soon as they're done with killing off organics.
The Catalyst never talked about the Geth or any others. The Reaper's purpose was also then negated. I don't think it blended anything as much as altered DNA. It also added some organic proponents to things like EDI, I guess.
Molecular level. Look at the hat. Everything is part synthetic. How? Space Magic.
they wipe all dominant races, organics or synthetics (that's one of the reasons the geth fight too).
Good question, however I believe the next step in evolution thing would render making pure synthetics pointless as the new race have the best of both worlds.
SerArthurDayne
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Guys, Guys, I've got it.
This ending is all a big allegory. Bioware wanted us to hate this ending. It is by hating that we can understand.
This is the cycle- people beat the game and they hate it. But then they realize that Marauder Shields was attempting to save them from it.
Now, and this is some next level shit, so hold on to your asses.
Marauder Shields is the Reapers, Shepard is Galactic Civilization, and beating the game is creating AIs that will Destroy All Humans!
Marauder shields wanted to save us, just as the Reapers did.
It is only by hating the ending that we come to understand the catalyst. It is very meta.
It all makes sense now. I have reached mind nirvana.
This ending is all a big allegory. Bioware wanted us to hate this ending. It is by hating that we can understand.
This is the cycle- people beat the game and they hate it. But then they realize that Marauder Shields was attempting to save them from it.
Now, and this is some next level shit, so hold on to your asses.
Marauder Shields is the Reapers, Shepard is Galactic Civilization, and beating the game is creating AIs that will Destroy All Humans!
Marauder shields wanted to save us, just as the Reapers did.
It is only by hating the ending that we come to understand the catalyst. It is very meta.
It all makes sense now. I have reached mind nirvana.
Not exactly, remember the part where geth was building the mega structure and it was destory during the quarian attack, legion mentioned that a lot of the program were not save (thus cannot be replaced) and the geth hivemind-thingy 'dimmed'.
So in effect you are killing part of the geth.
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But that's not the argument that the catalyst uses. All he says is that the singularity will occur, and without the reapers, all organic life would be permanently wiped out by synthetics.
Unless Synthesis changes the very composition of organic life into a giant collected harmony, (which completely ignores the ethical implications), you will never be able to achieve total peace when the essence of individuality will create people/cyborgs/whatever who are different.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Molecular level. Look at the hat. Everything is part synthetic. How? Space Magic.
not even a BJ?
man, wouldn't want to be Joker stuck on a planet where everything you try to eat starts talking to you and your sexbot doesn't give you any fucks while your EPIC porn collection was all blown to shit.
(Bioware ruins ending: Joker gets all the hate. Suck on that, J- aah, gross..)
littleworm
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They still need someone or something to do manual labor.
The reapers tell you so in the game. If you want not to believe them and think everything is a lie, ok, but I'd rather discuss with the evidences we are given.
For your second statement I showed the video: catalyst saw that the organics were advanced enough so they couldn't just wipe them like in previous cycles, so they offered the synthesis.
Because you don't actually know that they do preserve any of the synthetics. They probably remove them as soon as they're done with killing off organics.
The Catalyst never talked about the Geth or any others. The Reaper's purpose was also then negated. I don't think it blended anything as much as altered DNA. It also added some organic proponents to things like EDI, I guess.
Molecular level. Look at the hat. Everything is part synthetic. How? Space Magic.
EDI's hair has circuitry running through it. EDI's circuitry got additional circuitry from the synthesis. :lol :lol
Sometimes the Xzibit joke just writes itself.
Keepers.
Arguing that it'd be impossible for synthetics and organics to coexist is like the next level of bigotry. It'd be like saying whites and blacks can never get along... guess we should separate them or kill of one of them off! Don't even bother with these stupid civil rights movements, it will never work! You're destined to kill each other! Women, you're going to have to accept that you can never mingle with men on equal grounds. You're all just too different! Gays, you'll never be accepted by society and we'll never let you marry. Don't bother with these civil rights movements either, it can never happen!
It's such an ass backwards way of thinking, especially when we're talking about beings that are supposed to be more advanced then we are. It's mind boggling that people will try to defend this position.
It's such an ass backwards way of thinking, especially when we're talking about beings that are supposed to be more advanced then we are. It's mind boggling that people will try to defend this position.
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The only good thing about the ending is how hot EDI looked. What a babe. Yum yum.
littleworm
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They all died.
cuz her eye-thingy went from orange to green?
You missed my previous post. Again, you're using circular logic. I'm saying the reasons provided by star child are nonsensical. Your argument that they're sensical is because he says so. That's not an argument. You need to actually defend the position not restate it.
And you haven't answered my question with respect to synthesis. Why was this not chosen from the start as opposed to murdering trillions upon trillions? They had to fight for it? Why? Again, this has nothing to do with having to be advanced when the space magic hybridizes everything down to plants.
The first time I saw Joker and EDI, I though it was going to be like Adam and Eve. lol
I really don't understand what you're doing. I've already answered your arguments two times. You're saying that the reasons provided by star child are nonsensical, I'm saying they make sense, we can go through this all night (not really
)AdmiralSnackbar
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Was anyone else confused about how the endings worked, synthesis seemed like the best but when the boy aid it would destroy all the relays I knew there was no way I would pick that.
Turns out he meant anything you do will detonate the relays. :/
Seeing the relays go genuinely made me me feel like I had "lost"
Turns out he meant anything you do will detonate the relays. :/
Seeing the relays go genuinely made me me feel like I had "lost"
Jake Tower
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Like the evidence of uncovering the true story of the geth, and making peace between the created and the creators?
Space Casper is Full. Of. Shit.
Exactly. The worst thing is that you can say no to anything that the Kid says. You can't even say, "Forget the Crucible and the Reapers, we'll just continue to fight!"
Segregation is not justified, and making everyone "mixed" is a very strange universal concept that isn't well-justified.
Someone wants some robotic love.
That wasn't my point. The Crucible is just there because they needed something to further the plot throughout the game. It does nothing for actually creating synthesis, which is explained further in that google doc.
It's got the awesome surprise bassy sound. It's probably why some people like dubstep drops as well.
Yet they leave the Yahgs, who are apparently space capable enough to have one of its species become the Shadow Broker?
I am sorry but synthetics and organics getting along is on a whole other level. The Catalyst has seen countless amounts of cycles of organic life try to get along and in the end it never ends well. This cycle could be the one that changes things between synthetics and organics but the odds are against it.
Uno Venova
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Wow, that ending, I laugh at past me who actually spent time thinking about choices and their consequences when everyone gets the same result with a variation of beam colors.
The races have studied the relays enough, in my opinion, to be able to possibly rebuild the tech.
SerArthurDayne
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My Shepard would have died for Control if it saved the Relays. My Shepard was all fuck that space magic bullshit, except for when I accidentally jumped into the beam.
But that's just one small fragment of time. The Reapers lived much more than that, and they saw the pattern.
littleworm
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True, but that doesn't change the fact that all three of the "solutions" you are given, can't stop organics and synthetics from fighting.
jediyoshi
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Why does a robot need to sit like this though. I need answers.
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there is no pattern in chaos
SerArthurDayne
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They have not. Unless Bioware ignored the Codex like they (may) have done when they ignored that blowing them up blows up the solar system.
I really don't understand what you're doing. I've already answered your arguments two times. You're saying that the reasons provided by star child are nonsensical, I'm saying they make sense, we can go through this all night (not really
No you didn't. The only reason you've provided for them making sense is because he says so. That's circular logic and not a defense for the position.
The only hostile AI that I can think of in the entire series is those that are specifically designed for it.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Verily, good sir. To your left you will find the bars of pleasant memories and to the right you see the angry mob out for blood. Might I advise staying for happy hour, sir?
Speaking of which, why does a robot need to sit like this. I need answers.
Probably studied videos of humans doing human things, and is now emulating them as best as it can.
Ha. That's exactly how I felt. Even if you ignore the idea that when relays go they don't go quietly. You still are pretty much cutting off millions maybe even billions of people from each other. Probably dooming a good chunk of them to death in various ways.
Zomba13
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I think that Yahg was abducted by the previous Shadow Broker and then ate him and became the one before Liara.
SerArthurDayne
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At best, Space Casper saw ONE occurrence, and then decided it was inevitable. It would kind of defeat his purpose to allow it to happen again.
Why couldn't the Synthesis one possibly work?
You should just change your username to Vent Kid.
Because you no longer have pure organic life. You've completely cast it from the universe. Simply because everyone's mixed doesn't mean there'll be peace.
Freeza Under The Shower
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And EDI. Lunar base and all.
At least I have something to base my arguments. You're saying that synthetics won't wipe organics because the geth and quarrians got along well. That's like saying there won't be more war on the middle east because Palestine and Israel declared a truce.
when there is live, there is conflict. So unless reaper kills all but one, they will be conflict. even within species
Unless you have the geth consensus ofc.
littleworm
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Because there is nothing stopping the hybrid race from creating new synthetics, that would in turn according to the child kill them. It would not be Synthetics vs. Organics but Synthetics vs. Hybrids.
Uno Venova
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If you've got Serrice Ice Brandy, sure.
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