Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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oh, man, that is fucked what Cerberus do to Jack if you don't save her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPJj8efNskM

Dresden said:
Bioware isn't exactly renowned for GREAT DEEP ENGAGING WRITING. It's about the characters and the proven success of the Bioware Formula (see, BGII: Chapter 2, from which every Bioware game since then has been modeled after).

The problem is that they dropped the ball on the whole characters part. I still think a good number of fans would've accepted any number of asspulls so long as the characters they loved got satisfying conclusions.
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No, I think everything up to the laser beam was great. I was worried the Earth level might be rushed but they nailed it with all the different things they do. Then it just went fucked.
 
Karl2177 said:
Common sense or not, let's say it uses different energy, the codex even states that the relay simply has to be ruptured to destroy the system, space magic be damned.

"Although it has recently been proven that mass relays can be destroyed, a ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system."
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Let's ignore the part in which their energy is used to fire...

If you actually look at the ending, the relays start spinning like crazy, gathering energy, then they fire, the white core disappears and then it explodes.

But I guess basic observation is not your forte.
 
You cannot have perfection in this life. If ME3 had an ME2 style ending (minus baby reaper(who I loved) ) it would probably be my favorite game of all time. By style I mean all those cool choices of delegating your team, seeing the upgrades you made really make a difference..etc, etc. It felt really good to face that collector ship a second time and give it the business. You guys seriously underrate ME2 and it's greatness.
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
Let's ignore the part in which their energy is used to fire...

If you actually look at the ending, the relays start spinning like crazy, gathering energy, then they fire, the white core disappears and then it explodes.

But I guess basic observation is not your forte.
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Personal attacks aside, the codex simply states that a ruptured relay destroys a system. The relays rupture in the end. Logic says that this destroys the system.
 
Disheveled_Zen said:
But that ending fit in exactly with what Mass Effect is all about. It felt right because it was right for the series, epic explosions, getting out against all odds, seeing how all your choices mattered. Cliched or not it was the right ending. Attempting to make some deep meaningful open ended crap like they did in ME3 was completely wrong for the series.
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Uhm, that's what I said? I agree with you. It maybe cliche but it fits the tone of the series. Whereas ME3 ending felt like it came out of nowhere. I think the depressing stuff starts when the Thessia mission started. Way too abrupt to set the tone there and then.
 
Jackpot said:
I was worried the Earth level might be rushed
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Most of your companions reduced to a few lines of dialogue via comms and a janky dialogue tree? Lack of variability of presentation regardless of the choices you made across three games? Repetitive, rubble-filled environment only identifiable by phone boxes and filled with respawning enemies? Cutscenes that only show human forces and tanks, and involve none of your other allies -- you know, the ones you spent the whole game assembling? The worst 'rousing' speech in the series? Very little sense of what is meanwhile happening above the planet? Final battle that is just Bioware dumping lots of the same enemies you've been fighting all game in a cluttered, boxy environment while a Reaper waves a one-hit kill laser around? And then a scripted sprint toward Marauder Shields?

Yeah, they nailed it.
 
Replicant said:
Uhm, that's what I said? I agree with you. It maybe cliche but it fits the tone of the series. Whereas ME3 ending felt like it came out of nowhere. I think the depressing stuff starts when the Thessia mission started. Way too abrupt to set the tone there and then.
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I was just reiterating. I've tried to understand the direction they went with the ending, all it does is make my head hurt.
 
Y2Kev said:
The nerve on this one!
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Basic observation skills deduce that metroids are not friendly creatures.

Jackpot said:
ding ding.

Also where does the Speculation for Everyone quote come from?
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The developers wrote a stroy where everyone would be left speculating.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...ac-Walters-draft-of-the-Ending-9999272-1.html

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"​



 
Karl2177 said:
Personal attacks aside, the codex simply states that a ruptured relay destroys a system. The relays rupture in the end. Logic says that this destroys the system.
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The codex talks about rupturing like the Alpha relay (hence the "recently been proven").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ti0nEz--8

The destruction of the relays at the end of ME3 is nothing like that.

Was Earth destroyed when the Citadel exploded? Remember that the Citadel IS a relay.

You fail at logic too.
 
Huh, I just realized something. Most races in Mass Effect I don't actually like the race as a whole, but only a few people from that race.


I like almost all Turians and Salarians, not a huge fan of the Asari, but dat Liara. Quarians can go to hell except for Tali, Kal Reegar, and recently, Admiral Koris (Would have said Gerrel, but that bitch-ass-ho almost killed me), and Krogan, while some are funny, most of the major ones are just blood-rage assholes except for Wrex and Grunt. Well, Grunt's still a blood-rage asshole, but he's my blood rage asshole.

Yeah.
 
Eusis said:
I'm made my arguments on the relay thing before (letting energy out all at once by breaking the container versus utilizing it in a specific manner), but honestly I think the best solution there would've been to have not made Arrival in the first place. Relays were portrayed as obscenely durable when a super nova sent one flying but left intact, so why does ramming an asteroid into one suddenly allow it to be broken like it were nothing? Maybe they could've had it driven into a sun or something instead, at least then the requirements (and likely mixture of Element Zero with a star) could've been the reason for the destruction.
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To use a different setting, probably the same reason say a Star Destroyer can deflect lasers till the cows come home most of the time but a small asteroid can take out a bridge.

The force of a giant physical object against something is different than say the energy released from a supernova or "laser" like weapons against shields.

So I imagine throwing a piano at a marauder would be pretty effective.
 
You know when you are cooking something and then you fuck up somehow? Too much this or too much that and you realise that you can never get what you were aiming for. By this point you think to yourself FUCKTHISHIT and proceed to add every condiment that you might like in order to somehow, some way manage to get something good.

This FUCKING ending feels like that. Like they tried so hard until that point and then realized that they didn't have time to do a proper ending and then just threw all the crap in that same area and called it a day. What a god damn mess!

I'm still flabbergasted by the shear confusion I went through not 10min ago!

And how the hell did the reviewers were OK with the Journal (quest log)! I guess they did that bit right after the endings...
 
Dr Eggman said:
I wanna fuck Tali so hard.
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Frank Jaeger said:
You know when you are cooking something and then you fuck up somehow? Too much this or too much that and you realise that you can never get what you were aiming for. By this point you think to yourself FUCKTHISHIT and proceed to add every condiment that you might like in order to somehow, some way manage to get something good.
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Just keep adding space magic until it all disappears!
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
Was Earth destroyed when the Citadel exploded? Remember that the Citadel IS a relay.

You fail at logic too.
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Actually it is depending on how high your EMS is. If you have a low EMS (because as we all know the number of warships you have affect how devastating an explosion can be) then you see the Citadel exploding and devastating the Earth.
 
Javik sounds so pissed in that video. Has he ever seen dat ass?
 
Actually, we don't see Earth again following the destruction of the Sol relay EXCEPT in the "Shepard breathes" scene, which who knows if that is canon or real or what.

So it is entirely possible Earth is destroyed in the explosion.
 
Y2Kev said:
Actually, we don't see Earth again following the destruction of the Sol relay EXCEPT in the "Shepard breathes" scene, which who knows if that is canon or real or what.

So it is entirely possible Earth is destroyed in the explosion.
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If you have a low ems it gets burnt
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
The codex talks about rupturing like the Alpha relay (hence the "recently been proven").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ti0nEz--8

The destruction of the relays at the end of ME3 is nothing like that.

Was Earth destroyed when the Citadel exploded? Remember that the Citadel IS a relay.

You fail at logic too.
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The "recently been proven" was in direct reference that they could be destroyed, not on how they can be destroyed just that they could.[1] What says that the relay destruction is any different aside from the method it was destroyed by. We have no information on how or why the Crucible/Catalyst makes their destruction any different. We don't know whether Earth was destroyed by the Citadel exploding because we have no shots of Earth post-Citadel explosion. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your arguments and counter arguments, so if you could please refrain from attacking me it would be appreciated.

[1] Destruction of a Mass Relay portion of the Desperate Measures codex entry
"Destroying a mass relay to stop the Reapers' advance is infeasbile. Although it has recently been proven that mass relays can be destroyed, a ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system. It would take too long to evacuate the millions or billions of people living near each relay, and the Council is unwilling to sacrifice that many lives when combat stands a chance of saving them. Even if a garden world were to survive the relay's destruction, the Reapers have infinite patience. They traveled out of dark space using conventional FTL--travel within galaxy is not an insurmountable barrier."
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
The codex talks about rupturing like the Alpha relay (hence the "recently been proven").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ti0nEz--8

The destruction of the relays at the end of ME3 is nothing like that.

Was Earth destroyed when the Citadel exploded? Remember that the Citadel IS a relay.

You fail at logic too.
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We don't know if the earth was destroyed when the citadel exploded. It was only just starting to blow up when the beam\energy wave hit the relay. After that we just see the white hot explosions with color shockwaves from far off outside the galaxy.
 
Y2Kev said:
Actually, we don't see Earth again following the destruction of the Sol relay EXCEPT in the "Shepard breathes" scene, which who knows if that is canon or real or what.

So it is entirely possible Earth is destroyed in the explosion.
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You see Earth being scorched by the explosion in the Destroy ending if you have low EMS. It would be likely that the Citadel's explosion would be carried out by the relays, meaning they scorch everything, too.
 
Rebel Leader said:
If you have a low ems it gets burnt
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No, I know that, but that's obviously not linked to the relay exploding. That is linked to the Citadel firing, isn't it? I have to rewatch the low EMS ending.

The contention was that it's a different kind of explosion at the relay-- nothing confirmable, of course-- and the line of questioning was on Earth's ultimate fate.

We have no idea. We don't see Earth again except for that one scene. Presuming it's Earth. Presuming it's canon. Presuming it's not a dream or something.
 
Y2Kev said:
No, I know that, but that's obviously not linked to the relay exploding. That is linked to the Citadel firing, isn't it? I have to rewatch the low EMS ending.

The contention was that it's a different kind of explosion at the relay-- nothing confirmable, of course-- and the line of questioning was on Earth's ultimate fate.

We have no idea. We don't see Earth again except for that one scene. Presuming it's Earth. Presuming it's canon. Presuming it's not a dream or something.
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You don't need any explanations. Let's just keep this conversation high level.

Now, please proceed to jump into the lasers!
 
I guess I'm the only one that enjoyed the ending. I thought it was great and really hope they don't extend this series much further.

Very matrix-esque.
 
Y2Kev said:
Actually, we don't see Earth again following the destruction of the Sol relay EXCEPT in the "Shepard breathes" scene, which who knows if that is canon or real or what.

So it is entirely possible Earth is destroyed in the explosion.
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Earth, Thessia, Rannoch, Tuchanka, Palaven ...

But at least we are speculating. That is what I will truly remember.
 
rocK` said:
I guess I'm the only one that enjoyed the ending. I thought it was great and really hope they don't extend this series much further.

Very matrix-esque.
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So it actually works for some people. Well, I don't even care any more, so - good for you. And I mean that.
 
rocK` said:
I guess I'm the only one that enjoyed the ending. I thought it was great and really hope they don't extend this series much further.

Very matrix-esque.
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I'm assuming this is your first Mass Effect game?
 
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