AzureAngel27
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Even so, E3 is a very appropriate place to show off games, even if they are still in Japanese.
It would be stupid not to show it this year.
Final Fantasy Versus XIII was announced in 2006. It is now 2012. These are facts.
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Even so, E3 is a very appropriate place to show off games, even if they are still in Japanese.
It would be stupid not to show it this year.
That was shown next to the FFXIV one... so I suppose you can hope for some sort of repeat here in 2012
I guess only time will tell then. Final Fantasy is a staple good at E3, or at least... it always used to be.
H_Prestige
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Well I would say it was stupid not to show it last E3 as well, but they went ahead and didn't show it. They definitely could have added some extra footage to that 2011 trailer and called it a day.
Meccanical
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True.
But like the hungry vultures we are, we see Nomura and think "Versus!?", paying no heed to context.
AzureAngel27
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Unfortunately XIII-2 took priority all last year, there really isn't a game this year that would take priority other than Versus XIII.
So it would in fact be even more stupid not to show it this year than it was last year.
Meccanical
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You know, they could show nothing but KH3D and let their western games, Hitman, Tomb Raider, and Sleeping Dogs take precedence once again.
They really don't care.
They really don't care.
Anticitizen One
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They should just cancel it. It's preventing Kingdom Hearts 3 and FF 7 remake from happening and draining money.
iKeepPlaying
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Meccanical
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To hell with both of those things, especially the latter.
If they can't handle Versus how are they going to handle FF VII and all it's extension material and decisions to upgrade gameplay or not?
Regardless much rather have VS.
Anticitizen One
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WHAT
charlequin
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What? Of course there has been. Square-Enix's business model as of 2006 was heavily based on the concept of shipping a single top-franchise title every year. At the time, they had three 5m+ shipping RPG franchises that could fill this role: Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and Dragon Quest. By layering them this way, they could give every franchise breathing room and a long development cycle while still maintaining consistent profitability
Now this plan is in shambles and Versus is a major contributor, for a variety of reasons:
- By having two FF projects instead of pooling resources, SE took longer to get an HD FF on the market in the first place.
- By taking so long, Versus has single-handedly prevented there from being a console Kingdom Hearts game for seven years, significantly (and maybe irrevocably) damaging it as a franchise in the West.
- By taking so long to come out, Versus has prevented SE from meaningfully hyping an FFXV and forced SE to launch the ill-thought-out sequel FFXIII-2, significantly (and maybe irrevocably) damaging FF as a franchise everywhere.
If they could've gone into full-bore mode on Versus and released it in 2009 and let XIII bake for another year, they could've had a much stronger FF brand and be looking to release a PS360 Kingdom Hearts by now.
That's cart-before-horse reasoning. FFX-2 did pretty close numbers to FFX, in part because the brand was far stronger in general and the title was perceived as a followup to a well-liked game. FFXIII-2's immense decay has much more to do with the negative reception of XIII than anything else.
The problem with changing Versus to XV is that it's way too late in the process. That particular change would open Square-Enix up to a (pretty accurate) line of criticism that their development is in such shambles that they can't even make a real FFXV, they just have to repurpose an existing game. It'll basically turn Versus from being a game that can have a positive impact just by being good into one that'll feed a bad narrative about the FF brand unless it's shit-hot amazing. That's not a good risk to take.
H_Prestige
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The FFXIV trailer even started with the same font used in all the Versus trailers. Ultimate troll.
Meccanical
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Don't get me wrong, I love FF7.
Love enough to never want SE to touch it ever again.
they will find a new excuse
H_Prestige
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Exactly. If there's any FF game there it will be XIV. SE is here to promote Tomb Raider and shit like that.
I bet the next Versus trailer will have a date attached to it for Japan I'll make my prediction of early next year between February and March lol
Thing is they can't promote XIV and Versus together. FFXIV has to hit hard and they simply cannot get away with a CG trailer for 2.0 they need to show they have made improvements since the disaster launch. If they show Versus no one is gonna talk about XIV that is for sure.
Thing is they can't promote XIV and Versus together. FFXIV has to hit hard and they simply cannot get away with a CG trailer for 2.0 they need to show they have made improvements since the disaster launch. If they show Versus no one is gonna talk about XIV that is for sure.
NoctisXIII
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OMG I can't wait for this game for so long now...
I feel desperate and I really hope this game will be a masterpiece when it will come out for all this time we've waited for it
I feel desperate and I really hope this game will be a masterpiece when it will come out for all this time we've waited for it
TheChillyAcademic
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A thousand times this.
DQX is already receiving regular media updates in Japan.
Perfo
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You'll see they'll care.... they're going to market this game as the most western-friendly title in the series. It really has all it needs to obtain success here, and with a shrinking interest in Japan for the series (and home console gaming), they're last bet is in the West and Versus XIII. They have to show it at E3... it'll be really dumb skipping it imho.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Lol, I noticed just now after more than one year that the "destructible environments" are already present in the 2011 trailer of it. Cool stuff! I also noticed only now a new category of monsters (the "IMPs") Noctis is battling in there, while I thought only soldiers and dinosaurs were shown. I'm lazy!
The Broken Ska Record
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I was going to reason against your KH point, but it really is true. If only because if they were to finish Versus this year, we wouldn't see a console KH game for at least, 3 years. And that's being generous, too.
sublimit
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How many times since its announcement we were disappointed because we expected Versus to appear on an E3 and got nothing then moved our expectations in TGS and got nothing as well?
If i remember correctly its only official appearances since 2006 were only two TGS.It really wouldn't surprise me if it misses both this year's E3 and TGS.
If i remember correctly its only official appearances since 2006 were only two TGS.It really wouldn't surprise me if it misses both this year's E3 and TGS.
AzureAngel27
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If they keep letting other projects shadow Versus then Versus really is NEVER going to come out.
XIV 2.0 is an MMO, they aren't going to get the attention of that many people regardless of Versus. Especially after the complete failure it was after its launch.
Do you guys not remember how this went when XIV was announced at E3 2010
"There is another exclusive FF I'd like to show you" *hype meter skyrockets, everybody and their mom is thinking Versus"
"Final Fantasy XIV!" *Everybody is so confused but still totally hyped*
*Trailer rolls and hype meter is still high*
*Title comes out and then the hype dies when the word online shows up at the end*
XIV 2.0 is an MMO, they aren't going to get the attention of that many people regardless of Versus. Especially after the complete failure it was after its launch.
Do you guys not remember how this went when XIV was announced at E3 2010
"There is another exclusive FF I'd like to show you" *hype meter skyrockets, everybody and their mom is thinking Versus"
"Final Fantasy XIV!" *Everybody is so confused but still totally hyped*
*Trailer rolls and hype meter is still high*
*Title comes out and then the hype dies when the word online shows up at the end*
H_Prestige
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You're starting to get the picture now.
AzureAngel27
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Yeah, well SE is just shooting themselves over and over in the foot by doing this. Most people are asking for VERSUS, not XIV, not, X, not DQ, and not handhelds.
Meccanical
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They really should have gave up on XIV.
I don't understand the logic behind trying to salvage it.
I don't understand the logic behind trying to salvage it.
The Broken Ska Record
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Speak for yourself, I'd gladly take any SE handheld games. And I seriously doubt they use up that much of SE's resources.
More like the west is not asking for handhelds. Japan loves handhelds.
Well IMO they still have a chance with 2.0 to "relaunch" this MMO. As awful as the launch was they have come a long way since and although they have alot to still do but given a few more months if 2.0 gets a massive visual overhaul and marketing is right they will be fine.
Depends, Dragon Quest is a far bigger brand than Final Fantasy in Japan and handhelds are still one of the more popular choices for console. I'd say in NA it is the complete opposite but Dragon Quest got a late start here and it wasn't untill DQ8 that it really took off here from a smaller cult following. In terms of Versus I am willing to bet the demand for it isn't as big as you think at this point. There will always be a demand for any FF game but there are still alot of people who aren't interested and I'd say especially for the NA audience I personally know alot of people who are FF fans who are turned off by Versus some just based on the character designs alone.
like leaving a fatal wound open. I have a feeling XV is a loooooong ways off too anyway, with Versus TBA and XIII-2's ending. They really have no reason not to fix it.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
If they intend to release one major FF every year, I guess seeing XV before 2014/15 it's almost impossible if we include Versus for 2012 and XIII-3 in 2013 (if it exists).
they are slow....damn slow...
.can they expect to grab people interest with games we know from years?
i mean ffxiv is out from a while and you can fix it yet art\music and these things are well known, 13-3 if they bother is the same, they have versus taking a backseat from a while...
they need, imho, new things to show....not ffx hd which is an old projects..
can anyone immagine bioware having still to release a mass effect 2 nowdays? or a mass effect 1 spin off announce 6 years ago lost forever?
lol
it's new things that excite, not old news...imho they are killing the franchise with these long developing cycle and same news on few projects.
Release versus, kill xiv ps3 and hype ffxv before it's too late. and for god's sake concentrate all ff team on 1 project for once!
Meccanical
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Would it?
I'm pretty sure know one gives a crap anymore, unless what they have in store for XIV 2.0 is really top to bottom a brand new game.
It hasn't even launched on a console yet. There are people who don't care because they know about it's current state, and there are people who don't care because they haven't even been marketed to yet.
The ultimate success of XIV is completely up in the air right now. Until it hits consoles, and 2.0, anything can happen.
From my understanding (from some friends who've played at launch and now) it's already a completely different game, actually I only started a couple weeks ago and there's already been significant changes in a tiny patch that came out last week.
2.0 is just going to cement it even more as a different game.
I've been playing it since launch and still do. It has come a very long way from the awful launch Yoshi P is getting it under control I have faith in him.
Digital-Hero
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They should just change the title to FINAL FANTASY VERSUS, and that should remedy the issue and it's not too late for that. Removing XIII would be wise.
Luckily for them, it hasn't launched on PS3
and Wii U!
XIV 2.0 will be at E3, that's a given. However, there's no reason Versus can't be there too in some way, shape or form. Are they that worried about one game taking anothers thunder? Jesus Christ.
And if XIII-3 shows up instead...... ugh.
sublimit
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I think they are not going to remove the XIII from the title because they hope Versus will generate a final surge of interest (and sales) for XIII and XIII-2.
AzureAngel27
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That excuse to me is invalid XIII and XIV were both shown at E3 2009.
Meccanical
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