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Foffy said:
Because everything has to conform to one singular thing. It's the future!! Dun dun dunnnnnn~
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;_;

Marty Chinn said:
That shift in focus is a valid thing to fear when you're a core gamer.
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Maybe I have a different perspective because most of the games I play nowadays are Eastern, but traditional gaming seems to be doing just fine. Huge, multimillion dollar blockbusters might not be as viable as they were before, but there are still tons of great traditional games coming out - granted many of them are on PC, which might not be the most accessible platform for some.
 
Castor Krieg said:
You are aware that majority of Chinese do not write in pīnyīn? You are aware that Chinese keyboard will have strokes on each key, and their typing system will be based on strokes? That is how Chinese type their characters. Romanization and alphanumeric keyboard is not barrier at all.
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At least in Mainland China, all the college educated people were writing in PinYin, with no strokes on the keyboards. As to strokes, it's not a barrier to educated Chinese users, but I think most people did not grow up using and learning how to use computers. The strokes system is still unintuitive compared to simply writing words out. Take a look at people on smartphones in a Chinese subway, they are not using a QWERTY keyboard to type.
 
Cheebo said:
I owned all the major sysem of every generation going back the past 25+ years with tons of games for each of them. Plenty of games for PS3, 360, and Wii. Vita was the first major system I have skipped at launch in well, as long as I can remember.

And the reason for that is iPad. It meets every portable game need I need.
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Same here. Mass Effect and Dead space are good on the iPad. I wish the vita had games like galaxy on fire 2 hd.
 
numble said:
At least in Mainland China, all the college educated people were writing in PinYin, with no strokes on the keyboards. As to strokes, it's not a barrier to educated Chinese users, but I think most people did not grow up using and learning how to use computers. The strokes system is still unintuitive compared to simply writing words out. Take a look at people on smartphones in a Chinese subway, they are not using a QWERTY keyboard to type.
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They are not using the keyboard, but they are using strokes to select radicals, and then characters.

You sure they were typing in pinyin? There is a typing method based around DFGH keys that relies on strokes. It's way faster than pinyin will ever be.

EDIT: Ok, saw your post, now that is just dumb. I was thinking Mao had it all wrong with pinyin, the whole thing is great for Westerners, but it is damn stupid for Chinese people.
 
Castor Krieg said:
They are not using the keyboard, but they are using strokes to select radicals, and then characters.

You sure they were typing in pinyin? There is a typing method based around DFGH keys that relies on strokes. It's way faster than pinyin will ever be.
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I watch them type. It's how I learned to use shortcuts in Pinyin. I work in a Hong Kong office and all the Hong Kongers use this number pad thing but all the Mainlanders are using PinYin. My Mainland coworker helped me install a better Pinyin input method on my Mac (the same one he uses).

The keyboard is still a big barrier, regardless. I know college-educated people that use the little trackpad accessory to write because they struggle with the keyboard.
 
Maybe instead of back-and-forthing on this for like 20 posts, both of you could just make one post about how much time you've spent in China and where, your respective levels of Chinese experience, and where you're coming from?

I don't know anything about Chinese--either Chinese people or the Chinese language--but I know when one person says "This group of people act like this" and another person says "Nope, they act the exact opposite", at least one of them is wrong. :p
 
numble said:
I have owned 5 iOS devices and have played my 1 purchase of Infinity Blade on 4 of them.
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SmokyDave said:
Same. 4 devices owned, 4 devices that I've played IB on. I'd wager that many, many iPad owners also have an iPhone.
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The 172 million figure is the reported number of iOS devices sold in 2011.

Unless you bought all 4-5 in 2011, your anecdotes don't seem that relevant.

People may have purchased multiple types of iOS device granted; so those attach rates for the IB games may double or triple. They'd still be within range of what one may consider "few among the demographic" I imagine.

On the one hand one seems to wants to inflate the massive installed base to indicate a massive potential market in absolute terms; on the other hand one wants to downplay the installed base to indicate a massive potential market by software attach rate.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Maybe instead of back-and-forthing on this for like 20 posts, both of you could just make one post about how much time you've spent in China and where, your respective levels of Chinese experience, and where you're coming from?

I don't know anything about Chinese--either Chinese people or the Chinese language--but I know when one person says "This group of people act like this" and another person says "Nope, they act the exact opposite", at least one of them is wrong. :p
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LOL, I think its sorted.

I think it was an esoteric discussion over the fact that Chinese in Mainland China use different input methods compared to Chinese in Hong Kong and "Chinese" in Taiwan. I have spent significant times in all 3 areas, and the keyboards in China and Hong Kong are simple QWERTY keyboards with no strokes on them. In Taiwan, there are strokes/characters on the keyboard. In China, nearly everyone I've seen using a keyboard was using a "PinYin" method, where you romanize your words and then you select what character you want after the computer lists all the characters that match that romanization. In Hong Kong, I've seen people used methods based on selecting strokes. In Taiwan, I assume there is some stroke-based method since the keyboards (if I remember) have strokes along with the QWERTY keys.

My major point is that on touchscreen devices, you can simply draw the character out. This is a benefit if you struggle with a keyboard, for whatever reason (including if you struggle with your ABCs, but also because most people didn't grow up with computers so they're typing might not be as fast).
 
numble said:
My major point is that on touchscreen devices, you can simply draw the character out. This is a benefit if you struggle with a keyboard, for whatever reason (including if you struggle with your ABCs, but also because most people didn't grow up with computers so they're typing might not be as fast).
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I know with Japanese, people are starting to have more difficulty with writing kanji because they're so used to typing these days. Is that not an issue with Chinese?
 
Zoe said:
I know with Japanese, people are starting to have more difficulty with writing kanji because they're so used to typing these days. Is that not an issue with Chinese?
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People who are educated and used to PCs will be faster at typing. There is a much larger market in China of people who are less educated and less used to PCs. But they are still able to afford iPads (especially if they decide to forego a computer and get an iPad instead), or free iPhones on 2-year contracts (and use it as their primary internet connection). This also applies for cheap Android devices.
 
numble said:
I think cheapo Android tablets and iPads will overtake PCs in China. An alphanumeric keyboard is a BIG barrier to Chinese users. Many of them, for writing on a computer, buy a cheapo touchscreen accessory just so they can write Chinese with it because they aren't familiar with romanization methods. Being able to write without using a QWERTY keyboard and a foreign alphabet is very big for the Chinese market. It's not a big deal for the college-educated, but it is for the majority of other Chinese people.

The 3G available on tablets also is useful since Internet plans are very cheap from cell carriers and wired service is much harder to get.
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People were using this logic before to argue iPhone will never be popular in China because it lacks stylus. We know how that ended.
 
Consumer Reports on issues with New Ipad while gaming
If this thing is going to take over the gaming world, Apple is going to actually have to want to make that happen.
So, when plugged in, the back of the new iPad became as much as 12 degrees hotter than the iPad 2 did in the same tests; while unplugged the difference was 13 degrees.

During our tests, I held the new iPad in my hands. When it was at its hottest, it felt very warm but not especially uncomfortable if held for a brief period.

We also noticed that the new iPad wasn't charging while the game was running and it was plugged in. In fact, the battery continued to drain. It charged normally, however, when we weren't running a game.
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For done people touch gaming is good enough, much like how console gaming is good enough for me. I dont need a gaming pc since my ps3 works for my needs.

The problem occurs when developers start ignoring the more dedicated platform. it's already happened to PCs. and will soon happen to consoles. The industry will shift.

But the recent pc ressurgence does give some hope.
 
Raonak said:
For done people touch gaming is good enough, much like how console gaming is good enough for me. I dont need a gaming pc since my ps3 works for my needs.

The problem occurs when developers start ignoring the more dedicated platform. it's already happened to PCs. and will soon happen to consoles. The industry will shift.

But the recent pc ressurgence does give some hope.
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I'm alright with your first statement but everything else is a bit confusing.
 
bob page said:
Yet those idiots completely ignore temperatures when doing laptop reviews? My i5 Dell gets way hotter than that.

CR should stick to talking about cars and vacuum cleaners.
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Yeah, when gaming my laptop gets pretty warm but maybe it's not as noticeable cause you aren't holding it directly like you are an iPad? I dunno, I have't tried out the new iPad yet.
 
bob page said:
Yet those idiots completely ignore temperatures when doing laptop reviews? My i5 Dell gets way hotter than that.

CR should stick to talking about cars and vacuum cleaners.
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Calling them idiots for doing valuable research for potential customers is a little harsh I think.
 
Shtof said:
Calling them idiots for doing valuable research for potential customers is a little harsh I think.
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That magazine hasn't done anything valuable in at least a decade, let alone for gadgets.

All they're doing is dramatizing a non-issue to fish for exposure, just like they did with the iPhone 4.

bigtroyjon said:
Laptop use doesn't involve holding it in your hands
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My hands rest on my laptop all day, and the warmest part of the laptop tends to be the area by the HDD (usually the lower left corner). Pretty similar.
 
bob page said:
They said they were playing a game and it wasn't charging while in-game... perhaps that app was a big battery drain and graphics-intensive?
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If it's plugged in I would expect it to hold the charge at the very least. Draining is not within normal expectations.
 
bob page said:
They said they were playing a game and it wasn't charging while in-game... perhaps that app was a big battery drain and graphics-intensive?
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So graphics intensive games drain the battery, you don't see a problem with that for a device that many are saying will take over consoles some day?

Would it physically make you ill to say that there may be a *gasp* problem with the Ipad?
 
Sobriquet said:
Whoa, really? Was it plugged into a wall outlet?
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That's what I'm wondering. If it was plugged into a low power USB port on a computer, it will have much different results then plugged into the new iPad wall charger. The fact they don't even mention this speaks to the quality of their testing.
 
Zoe said:
If it's plugged in I would expect it to hold the charge at the very least. Draining is not within normal expectations.
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That's an understatement! I've never even heard of a modern device that drains doing anything while plugged in. That's... crazy.

I mean the heat thing is one issue but this...
 
Not surprised at all. Tablets are ideal for people who primarily consume content (I.e. most people). For me, having a desktop and a tablet (not an iPad) is perfect. My experience with laptops by contrast has been abysmal. Little more than wanna-be desktops destined to have thermal issues. I'm not a fan of Apple, but I can't deny that the iPad is a solid device with few peers, both in terms of price and functionality.

Apple's tablet dominance isn't unlike Microsoft's desktop ubiquity, as has been pointed out time and again. I have a PC for gaming and I run Windows. Why? Because most games are for Windows. Now, most relevant apps are for iOS. It's the software, stupid.

That being said, I don't view the iPad as a replacement for any dedicated consoles. Not yet, anyway. I have a 3ds and I will get a Vita eventually because it's about the games, not the hardware.
 
New iPad has a battery twice as dense, double the capacity, and has the same battery life so it probably drains twice as fast. All the while using the same older wall charger.
They should have just made a new one. Oh well, doesn't really affect me that much.
 
numble said:
Explain how my logic is analogous, and who these people were.
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It's analogous because you assume ability to draw by hand chinese symbols is the most important thing. It's not. Heck, they can draw on touchpad is they want it so much.
And many people predicted iPhone's doom in asia, because of how innacurate it's screen is compared to resistive ones with stylus. Turned out, other phones' superior handwritting experience didn't help them at all.
 
Stupid question, can't use just change out the heads on a 45w charger from a MBP to put on the iPad/iPhone adapter and charge it that way?
 
AdrianWerner said:
It's analogous because you assume ability to draw by hand chinese symbols is the most important thing. It's not. Heck, they can draw on touchpad is they want it so much.
And many people predicted iPhone's doom in asia, because of how innacurate it's screen is compared to resistive ones with stylus. Turned out, other phones' superior handwritting experience didn't help them at all.
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That is not analogous at all. I am not predicting doom of PCs. I am predicting success of touch-input smartphones and tablets.

I also never said it was the most important thing. I said it was a major thing. Those little touchpads do a poor job because there's a disconnect between what you draw and what you see. If you are on a Mac, enable Chinese handwriting input to see for yourself and try writing on your trackpad. If you are on a Windows laptop, try doing Chinese handwriting on your trackpad.

And who are those people who predicted that iPhone would fail in China because of lack of stylus? I think most people predicted it would do poorly because of high cost and no Wifi (on the first model available in China). When it first launched, there was no handwriting recognition either, but that is not the case anymore (it was added in 2008, before launch of iPhone in China in 2009). I supplied you with a link the last time you were looking for information.
 
numble said:
That is not analogous at all. I am not predicting doom of PCs. I am predicting success of touch-input smartphones and tablets.
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No, you were predicting tablets overtaking PCs in China. That's what I'm arguing against, not against their success.
 
Zoe said:
If it's plugged in I would expect it to hold the charge at the very least. Draining is not within normal expectations.
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If it seriously does that then that's fucking terrible. When was the last time the battery drained while it was plugged in? I could only imagine if you're playing your ds/psp/vita/etc. and you plug it in to continue playing because the battery is dying and it still dies on you.
 
I'm about to buy my first Ipad. I just bought a Vita so I can only spend my money on the 16GB model. Should I pull the trigger, or wait till I can afford the 32 GB?
 
Steve McQueen said:
I'm about to buy my first Ipad. I just bought a Vita so I can only spend my money on the 16GB model. Should I pull the trigger, or wait till I can afford the 32 GB?
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I picked up a 16gb wifi/4g model today. I'd say it really depends on what you'd use it for. If your going to fill it with videos and music get the bigger size else 16 gb will be fine IMO. I've had a 16gb iPhone and was fine with it. I only ever put a couple gbs of music on and would rotate it out. I installed tons of apps and a few games so far and still have 12.3gb left. Btw, enjoy your purchase :)
 
Steve McQueen said:
I'm about to buy my first Ipad. I just bought a Vita so I can only spend my money on the 16GB model. Should I pull the trigger, or wait till I can afford the 32 GB?
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I've always had the 32, both with first gen and the new version. I like having a cushion but to be completely honest, it's typically a gigantic cushion. If I want music on it you can sync a handful wirelessly whenever you want. The digital copies of movies that come with blu-rays really aren't that big. If don't want a huge library of media on the device 16 is probably good enough, you'll just have to manage the media a bit more.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Wait.
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fluffydelusions said:
I picked up a 16gb wifi/4g model today. I'd say it really depends on what you'd use it for. If your going to fill it with videos and music get the bigger size else 16 gb will be fine IMO.
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Thanks for your input, it's quite a difficult choice. I'm gonna use it to play games and to use the internet. Some vids maybe. For music I use my Tosh. Well I got one night to think it over :D

@ See5harp: sorry. Didn't see your reply. Thanks!
 
Steve McQueen said:
Thanks for your input, it's quite a difficult choice. I'm gonna use it to play games and to use the internet. Some vids maybe. For music I use my Tosh. Well I got one night to think it over :D

@ See5harp: sorry. Didn't see your reply. Thanks!
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Keep in mind you can stream lots of stuff too. Netflix plus all the other video apps....then you have all the streaming music apps and such...
 
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