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[Buddha Beam]

The only people guessing are the critics. Everyone i talked to IRL and on other forums understand why Lori is upset and pissed at Rick. You guys are the only ones I know who are so hung up on one simple scene which is ridiculously easy to understand.

I hardly consider myself a critic of the show. Like I said, I usually defend it against the haters, who tend to dislike it for the dumbest of reasons.

I "understand" why Lori was upset. More or less. But judging by the harsh or divided reaction from fans, that doesn't dismiss the fact that it apparently could have been handled better (to say the least).

But its impossible to deny that Lori and Carl are both used as plot devices more than anything in this show. Its the only criticism I really have with The Walking Dead. As a result, Lori and Carl frequently come off as undeveloped at best, or mind bogglingly stupid and/or schizophrenic at worst.

 

[Kyoufu]

My thinking on this is that Lori subconsciously was still in love with Shane having fallen out of love with Rick before the outbreak even began. She won't admit this to herself but figured she could get the outcome she wanted by goading Rick and Shane into a conflict thinking that Shane would come out on top. So she played up Shane's dangerous nature with Rick and baited Shane with "my baby could be yours" crap in order to push their buttons.

She guessed wrong and is now pissed off. Carl's innocence being taken away is just the icing on the cake. If anything, she'll latch onto that as justification for her being outraged when in reality she just wanted to hop Shane's bones some more with Rick out of the picture.

I hate you. Lori now sounds like an amazing character.

 

[hamchan]

I hate you. Lori now sounds like an amazing character.

Indeed. With that theory Lori now sounds like the most devious person on the show.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Or in reality, what happened was that Lori got a lot more than she bargained for. She played with fire but wasn't ready to get burned. She wanted Rick to kill him at one point, but she didn't think it would lead to everything it has, and Carl being involved.

I know it's fun to think that she wanted them to confront so Shane could win, but she implied otherwise when she was mentioning how Rick is willing to do what it takes to protect what is his. So that fan-fic is wrong. SRY GUYZ.

 

[Jonm1010]

If Lori had acted understanding and embraced Rick I bet there would still be a hundred posts about what a bitch she is.

Do people not understand this? It's because the writers have failed to present an established and constant internal logic and stuck with it. Or to properly establish the motivations driving some of her rash decisions and reactions.

As another poster pointed out you can't have Lori expressing the virtues of keeping an eye on their son and not running off into town and then have her run off into town leaving her son.

It's poor writing.

 

[LiQuid!]

If Lori had acted understanding and embraced Rick I bet there would still be a hundred posts about what a bitch she is.

How about if she just looked hurt and a little broken and angry at the whole situation instead of recoiling away from Rick like he just told her he gave her the clap?

 

[Jonm1010]

Indeed. With that theory Lori now sounds like the most devious person on the show.

Why then would she run to go get Rick from town?

Wouldn't she just sit around and silently hope he doesn't make it back?

It would be a great twist to the character and make her an interesting and despicable character, but those seeds would have needed to be planted better this season.

 

[hamchan]

Or in reality, what happened was that Lori got a lot more than she bargained for. She played with fire but wasn't ready to get burned. She wanted Rick to kill him at one point, but she didn't think it would lead to everything it has, and Carl being involved.

I know it's fun to think that she wanted them to confront so Shane could win, but she implied otherwise when she was mentioning how Rick is willing to do what it takes to protect what is his. So that fan-fic is wrong. SRY GUYZ.

Nah she was just egging Rick on in that scene to get him to fight.

 

[snack]

 

[andycapps]

Do people not understand this? It's because the writers have failed to present an established and constant internal logic and stuck with it. Or to properly establish the motivations driving some of her rash decisions and reactions.

As another poster pointed out you can't have Lori expressing the virtues of keeping an eye on their son and not running off into town and then have her run off into town leaving her son.

It's poor writing.

Is it poor writing? Or is it a character that lets emotions rule their actions instead of thinking about the consequences?

 

[WedgeX]

Darryl and Carl dance, feat. Daleface!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I hardly consider myself a critic of the show. Like I said, I usually defend it against the haters, who tend to dislike it for the dumbest of reasons.

I "understand" why Lori was upset. More or less. But judging by the harsh or divided reaction from fans, that doesn't dismiss the fact that it apparently could have been handled better (to say the least).

But its impossible to deny that Lori and Carl are both used as plot devices more than anything in this show. Its the only criticism I really have with The Walking Dead. As a result, Lori and Carl frequently come off as undeveloped at best, or mind bogglingly stupid and/or schizophrenic at worst.

I thought a few of the characters came off as schizophrenic during the finale.

-Carol who had previously spoke about what a good man she thought Rick was suddenly decides to turn against him for no reason that I could see.

-Hershel suddenly doesn't give a shit about his family and ignores whats happening to them so he can stand there and fire off his unlimited ammo shotgun. He didn't really seem to give much of a shit after they were all separated either.

-Rick who has always been about giving everyone a say says "This isn't a democracy anymore" and loses all of his tact when explaining the Shane thing.

Just a lot of stuff that felt rushed and forced.

Do people not understand this? It's because the writers have failed to present an established and constant internal logic and stuck with it. Or to properly establish the motivations driving some of her rash decisions and reactions.

As another poster pointed out you can't have Lori expressing the virtues of keeping an eye on their son and not running off into town and then have her run off into town leaving her son.

It's poor writing.

I do understand it. Just saying that the hate for Lori is so strong that people would be calling her a bitch for showing no remorse if she acted the opposite way. I guess they were just trying to show that she had conflicting emotions about it but just did it in a bad way.

How about if she just looked hurt and a little broken and angry at the whole situation instead of recoiling away from Rick like he just told her he gave her the clap?

That would be far too sensible for this show

 

[Jonm1010]

Is it poor writing? Or is it a character that lets emotions rule their actions instead of thinking about the consequences?

Then establish that better!!

Let the audience know this character does that.

I go back to Luck. In the first(maybe second) episode, Dustin Hoffman's character Ace Bernstein explains to Gus(his henchman, driver and right hand man) in what is clearly a well placed exposition scene that serves multiple purposes. One of those purposes establishes his rival Mike as being a person that "if you try and see his perverse logic you"ll go blind." through that entire conversation he's letting Gus know that while he has a decent beat on him from knowing the guy so long, he has grown irrational and prone to weird decision making through drugs and his natural personality. So it's understanable that Gus, like most others, can't rationalize some of the decisions this Mike guy makes.

In a slightly later episode Ace establishes that mike has a temper of his own, that certain types of people really get under his skin.

Through that exposition a certain scene that plays out toward the end of the season makes sense given the characters established internal logic and established patterns of bahvior. Even if the action itself was shocking and out of left field. On examination it made sense.

We lack that with Lori and often times get signals suggesting her nature to be the opposite of her actions. And without such signals viewers have to justify the logic which should have been the responsibility of the writers , actors and producers to lay the groundwork to make the actions believable to the audience once examined.

 

[Dai101]

**White people

 

[Lonestar]

**White people

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

The show seems to have jumped the shark though. Dude with sword and zombie slaves? What the fuck?

If you think aboutit, having a sword is the best weapon to have in a situation like this. Quiet, no concern in regards to ammo. More range and killing power than a knife. In fact, it would be pretty stupid not to have a sword. It's also more viable to train with than a gun. Since your not wasting ammo via target practice.

 

[MisterHero]

If you think aboutit, having a sword is the best weapon to have in a situation like this. Quiet, no concern in regards to ammo. More range and killing power than a knife. In fact, it would be pretty stupid not to have a sword. It's also more viable to train with than a gun. Since your not wasting ammo via target practice.

Indeed. Rick just got done telling Shane/the viewers that they needed to use knives more

But what if it was a REALLY BIG KNIFE

 

[Jonm1010]

If you think aboutit, having a sword is the best weapon to have in a situation like this. Quiet, no concern in regards to ammo. More range and killing power than a knife. In fact, it would be pretty stupid not to have a sword. It's also more viable to train with than a gun. Since your not wasting ammo via target practice.

Yeah, logically speaking it's a pretty smart weapon to have.

Axes, machetes, spears, large hammers, crossbows should all be the first line of defense. Frankly heavy armor and shit would be a smart idea too. Though I guess you'd have to weigh that against it slowing you down and the noise factor. So probably not that.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

http://www.facebook.com/IHateLoriFromTheWalkingDead

 

[Lonestar]

Quiet weapons are good weapons

Think with swords, is, you can swing and slash with them. But you can also just poke with it too. Zombies through the fence never stood a chance!

 

[BeeDog]

Decent final episode, but my God, Lori is an insufferable wench. The worst character by far in the show, even on the Carl scale.

 

[Raoh]

LMFAO


I needed that laugh...

 

[Raoh]

This is the excact book to get to catch up if you have not read the comics, as it contains Issues #1-#12

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1582406197/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It is the pretty much comic version of Season 1 and 2 (which is a different story, but ends on the same note)

I bought volume one, two and three of the paperback, going to hold off and hope for a hard cover version of issue 1 through 100.

 

[AVclub]

If that were impossible for someone to imagine, how do you think a show like this is written?

I didn't say it was impossible to imagine. Why do people invent stuff to argue with? If you disagree with my point then address it, don't create an indefensible position to oppose.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

The only thing that annoyed me about the finale really (apart from Lori being Lori) was how the group reacted to Rick. It's almost like the writers wanted Rick to look like a villain for killing a crazy man in self defense. Going by what Mazzara and co have said, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case though. Maybe the group is intentionally supposed to be a bunch of idiots (apart from Rick, Daryl and Herschel).

On a more positive note, this was the first episode in a while that I actually liked Andrea. Up until now she's been my least favourite character along with Lori, which is a shame seeing how great a character she is in the comic.

 

[hamchan]

The only thing that annoyed me about the finale really (apart from Lori being Lori) was how the group reacted to Rick. It's almost like the writers wanted Rick to look like a villain for killing a crazy man in self defense. Going by what Mazzara and co have said, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case though. Maybe the group is intentionally supposed to be a bunch of idiots (apart from Rick, Daryl and Herschel).

I think they are a bunch of idiots and now I think Rick realizes it too.

 

[Funky Papa]

The only thing that annoyed me about the finale really (apart from Lori being Lori) was how the group reacted to Rick. It's almost like the writers wanted Rick to look like a villain for killing a crazy man in self defense. Going by what Mazzara and co have said, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case though. Maybe the group is intentionally supposed to be a bunch of idiots (apart from Rick, Daryl and Herschel).

Ha, I liked the contrast. Most of the group stood in awe, seemingly disturbed by Rick's proclamation, yet sweet fascist grandpa Hershel nodded approvingly with a creepy smile.

 

[Good Job Bob]

With the ratings this show is pulling in, the entirety of S3 should have the production values of the Pilot episode.

 

[Jonm1010]

What is the current budget breakdown?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

The only thing that annoyed me about the finale really (apart from Lori being Lori) was how the group reacted to Rick. It's almost like the writers wanted Rick to look like a villain for killing a crazy man in self defense. Going by what Mazzara and co have said, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case though. Maybe the group is intentionally supposed to be a bunch of idiots (apart from Rick, Daryl and Herschel).

On a more positive note, this was the first episode in a while that I actually liked Andrea. Up until now she's been my least favourite character along with Lori, which is a shame seeing how great a character she is in the comic.

They could have made the start to ricktatorship a little better...it did feel very forced.

 

[Cornballer]

What is the current budget breakdown?

There are a few relevant articles in the OP. These two in particular are worth a look if you want to information about budgeting, the Darabont departure, etc...

- 'The Walking Dead': What Really Happened to Fired Showrunner Frank Darabont
- 'Walking Dead' producers talk Season 2, Frank Darabont's departure and more

 

[SamuraiX-]

I love how not even Lori's actress (Sarah Wayne Callies) gives a single fuck about watching Carl.


You know, I think if the directors gave Lori a scared, more "Do I even know you anymore??" look at the end of Rick's monologue instead of a "GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME, YOU BASTARD!" look, I would've gone a long way in making her reaction acceptable.

 

[ari]

Since this show is out of mini-series/movie contention. (6 eps from season 1)

This show is going to rack up a shit ton of Emmys this year. make-up, special effects, visual effects and other technical nods is already won unless broadway empire have a zombie outbreak.

possibly acting nods, score, and a writing nod for better angels (season finale, season premiere or lead in ep into finale only gets the nod) Wouldn't be surprise if it also get the best drama nod also.

The only thing that annoyed me about the finale really (apart from Lori being Lori) was how the group reacted to Rick. It's almost like the writers wanted Rick to look like a villain for killing a crazy man in self defense. Going by what Mazzara and co have said, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the case though. Maybe the group is intentionally supposed to be a bunch of idiots (apart from Rick, Daryl and Herschel).

They didn't give two shits about Shane, just Lori and Carl. They just got news that Rick knew about all of them being infected for weeks without even hinting anything. Carrol sort of explained it. :/

 

[Discotheque]

It will probably win a bunch of technical awards. But you'd have to be delusional to think this deserves any awards that matter over stuff like Boardwalk, Mad Men or Breaking Bad. And Game of Thrones is starting up too and I imagine Luck will get some acting nods.

...yeah if Walking Dead wins over any of those then it's just a popularity contest.

 

[SamuraiX-]

I would love it if TWD dead won some Emmys for sound editing or music. The pieces used for Season 2, particularly in the second half of the season were choice in not only setting the mood but enhancing it as well.

 

[Discotheque]

I think it's just unrealistic expectations coming off of BSG but I always expect more from The Walking Dead soundtrack.

To go from the best tv OST of all time to this feels like a waste. The theme is good though.

 

[Dwayne]

Videogum's latest writeup is up (you probably already know this)

 

[Vagabundo]

Looks like Rick took a little of Shane's mojo.

Rick is right though, they do need to stop running around like headless chickens all the time. I'm guessing he will mellow on his Zombie Reich, consensus is better in the long run. It is only when quick decisions need to be made you need a strong decisive leader.

 

[Jonm1010]

It will probably win a bunch of technical awards. But you'd have to be delusional to think this deserves any awards that matter over stuff like Boardwalk, Mad Men or Breaking Bad. And Game of Thrones is starting up too and I imagine Luck will get some acting nods.

...yeah if Walking Dead wins over any of those then it's just a popularity contest.

You can throw in treme and homeland as shows that will get consideration for the big awards before TWD.

It might even be a fight for the technical awards given some of the competition you listed.

 

[Lonestar]

I think it's just unrealistic expectations coming off of BSG but I always expect more from The Walking Dead soundtrack.

To go from the best tv OST of all time to this feels like a waste. The theme is good though.

It's just that they went with the quiet aspect. Alot of times, there's no music.

There's not much Romance in it, not much "hyper-action", it's mostly horror and lower key drama. BSG's just full of moments that music can contribute to.

Probably too much Banjo and not enough Taiko Drums

 

[Funky Papa]

Also, dramatic moments don't benefit from space vacuum. The season finale had some nice music, but it was way too loud to even notice it (maybe the loudest episode yet).

 

[UberTag]

Just a heads up for any fellow north of the border Walking Dead fans.

Jon Bernthal (Shane) and Norman Reedus (Daryl) were just confirmed as guests for Toronto's Fan Expo convention later this summer. Additional details can be found here.

 

[Revolver]

Ha, I liked the contrast. Most of the group stood in awe, seemingly disturbed by Rick's proclamation, yet sweet fascist grandpa Hershel nodded approvingly with a creepy smile.

Yeah, I noticed Hershel almost seemed to be smirking. He definitely approved of Rick putting those morons in their place.

I'm still thinking about the finale. So glad they didn't just drop the helicopter or Jenner's whisper to Rick. Also, the scene of the zombies dining on Rick's horse in Atlanta was a cool callback to season 1. I still miss that horse. The explanation about turning without getting bit still leaves a plot hole to me though. I keep thinking about the dead bodies they've come across that didn't turn. Surely not all of them died from head trauma or shots to the head.

Anyway, I'm glad Rick's balls finally dropped. The new character has some potential. Using a blade is a smart move, and I can see a reason for the zombie pets. Lori needs to consider putting Carl on a leash.

 

[hamchan]

I think alot of the dead bodies have turned but just haven't bothered moving yet? There was that zombie in the tank, in the pilot, that was just chilling there until Rick turned up.

 

[HadesGigas]

And dead bodies that turned inside cars probably had their brains fried over time.

 

[fabricated backlash]

I think alot of the dead bodies have turned but just haven't bothered moving yet? There was that zombie in the tank, in the pilot, that was just chilling there until Rick turned up.

Nah, I'd say there is a higher chance that at this point, the virus, bacteria whatever, is simply so widespread (water, food etc) that statistically everyone still standing is very likely to have it, especially since most of them don't have that many chances to practise good hygene.

Early victims are probably not infected and thus didn't turn if they died of natural causes.

If indeed everyone was allways infected, they simply forgot about it when placing non bitten corpses everywhere.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Ha, I liked the contrast. Most of the group stood in awe, seemingly disturbed by Rick's proclamation, yet sweet fascist grandpa Hershel nodded approvingly with a creepy smile.

Haha yeah, I'm really glad he survived the finale. It looks like him and Daryl will be the only ones on Rick's side heading into season 3.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Videogum's latest writeup is up (you probably already know this)

lol. Possibly one of the most idiotic moves in horror tv/movie history. What the hell was the kid thinking?

Why would the group even let him drive their RV, especially one that they had trouble fixing that same day? Its like the group knew.

 

[Kenny Blankenship]

only way I see the ninja walking with the zombies making sense is if he is carrying them back for scientific testing. If he walks around with those regularly thats some resident evil shit, completely kills the feel of the show for me.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

only way I see the ninja walking with the zombies making sense is if he is carrying them back for scientific testing. If he walks around with those regularly thats some resident evil shit, completely kills the feel of the show for me.

sheeeeeeeeeeee, and you will find out why she has them. And THAT is some resident evil shit? Not the constant zombies? lol.

TBH I think this show needs more crazy shit. MOOOOOORE.