Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

I defo read it in this thread or maybe part 2 of the thread and i have only been reading since Jan / Feb this year so it was a long time after last June's E3.

I might have been way off the mark with Dev Kit 4 tho, as i said i think it was one of the main three or four (leakers) who was talking about it about a month ago.

I'd guess Dev Kit V2 or V3, either way it could have been downgraded from the Zelda tech demo which to the best of my knowledge was running at 1080p native.

To go from that to DS2 looking like a last gen console is very strange to me.

Anyway im prob 99% wrong, don't want to start a bad rumour, just my thoughts.

Maybe i saw too much in the Zelda demo, i just didnt think it would be possible on the PS360, same for the bird demo.

I just have to understand they have a budget they have to stick to and if it means all games are 720p instead of 1080 then so be it, im sure Nintendo games will look great whatever the HD resolution :).
IT's actually running at 720p.
 
AceBandage is a good guy*. We just got a recent super influx of (no offense intended) Junior Members who aren't used to the particular conversational style of NeoGAF (you've been totally good with this, imho) and who tend more towards believing as truth every rumour of late they hear (which is understandable, but the presentation is often along the lines of that "When will this FUCKEN company learn?" meme). So people tend towards reactions of "Oh gawwwwd noobs!". :D




As I mentioned earlier, the only rumours about the Wii U GPU have been concerning GFLOPS, which is only one of several important metrics. However, this is what we've heard here and there (none are actual quotes):
A) From an AMD engineer or a press release or something that we really need to track down again, "The Wii U GPU offers greater than 1 TFLOPS performance"
B) From ... somewhere, possibly wishful thinking, "The Wii U is expected to be good enough to run the Samaritan Demo at 720p" (this would put it around 1.11 TFLOPS)
C) Recently, like less than a week ago, somebody of import suggesting a particular RADEON series which happens to be ~960 GFLOPS (might've been the Radeon HD 4770, looking at Wikipedia now, but fook if I know!)

The Xbox 360's GPU does 240 GFLOPS. Your 5670 does 620 GFLOPS. In this particular metric, if the above rumours are true, then the Wii U's video chip in that specific metric would be between 4x and 4.63x the Xbox 360's Xenos chip's performance and between 1.55x and 1.79x your video card's performance.



My entire post, of course, falls completely apart were there a downgrade or had Nintendo not actually pursued a GPU of that general performance level. My intuition suggests they could reach that level and still stay within a very comfortable power/heat range, especially since they didn't supercharge the CPU.


* I assume guy.... I never checked under the kilt

Thanks for taking the time to answer my posts again.

Im by no means an expert as you can tell but i know a little about PC hardware so i appreciate you explaining all that to me again as im sure its not the first time you have to explain it to a new poster.

Ace is indeed a good guy / girl i love his / her enthusiasm for Nintendo, ive been reading since part 1, wont be a regular poster but i just wanted to ask some questions.

Thanks again to everyone who helped answer them, my expectations are just too high lol.

Choo Choo, Roll on E3 !!! :).
 
Grain of salt, but I love hearing things like this.

One of my most fervent wishes for this year is that Uprising does incredibly well to the point where Nintendo cannot help but realize that the Icarus needs a huge, epic, sprawling home console adventure - and that it deserves to take its rightful spot on the top shelf of Nintendo IPs, right alongside Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.

Yes that is exactly the kind of thing this thread needs and is there for i feel. Personally, i don't see them changing the name, but we need the WILL THEY? WILL THEY RENAME IT TO PUU?! posts (even if they sometimes come off as dickish, and we butt heads) ^_^

Freud would have a lot of fun with this post, meh...

First time posting in this thread, always an enjoyable lurk. :P

About Nintendo's secrecy: from a PR perspective I suppose it's fine, but I don't see it as the Willy-Wonka-chocolate-factory type secrecy: that brilliant surprises are in store.

It's a frustrating coyness that I find is more due to a lack of confidence, like we saw this last year at E3 where Nintendo could hardly come out and just say anything concrete. It feels like the secrecy only surrounds the disappointing information. No fun in that.

There really isn't any reason to parade around specs (especially at this early point) and about a gajillion NOT to do that.
Didn't people actually speculate that Nintendo had to reveal the Wii U earlier than planned because of the leaks, and now we're standing here complaining "why did they reveal it if they don't have anything to actually tell us about it".
I really don't understand how anybody can actually be angry about that, and i don't mean "write something stupid on a forum" but actually, genuinely angry. Why? How?
But really i am not adressing you with this post so i don't know why i quoted you, so let this be a welcome to this thread of wonders and crowded trains crashing into bgassassin.

Curiousity killed the kitten remember, and Nintendo Ninjas are deeeeeeeeeeeeeadly
 
I think the major reason for Wii U quietness was that they did not predict the 3DS would be the failure it was. So they put hype on the backburner to make sure the 3DS' momentum does not suddenly drop out.

I imagine there was going to be TGS/GDC events, but the 3DS price cut and the stock drop killed it.
 
I think the major reason for Wii U quietness was that they did not predict the 3DS would be the failure it was. So they put hype on the backburner to make sure the 3DS' momentum does not suddenly drop out.

I imagine there was going to be TGS/GDC events, but the 3DS price cut and the stock drop killed it.

I have to agree.

I think Nintendo would have been more vocal on WiiU had the 3DS rocketed from launch till today. Instead it slowed down dramatically & the company had to do the fast price-cut. Now they are waiting to have major WiiU stuff to show at E3 & launch with greater hype and lots of more good software.
 
Im by no means an expert as you can tell but i know a little about PC hardware so i appreciate you explaining all that to me again as im sure its not the first time you have to explain it to a new poster.

I actually know surprisingly little. I cheat by looking up stuff on Wikipedia and by trying to heed what the wiser folk here say.


Ace is indeed a good guy / girl i love his / her enthusiasm for Nintendo, ive been reading since part 1, wont be a regular poster but i just wanted to ask some questions.

We hope you visit every now and then. Just be happy you didn't wage any genital bets here. They're the new "ban bet". I have three on file (from Jarmel, thomasmahler and frankie_baby).
 
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To go from that to DS2 looking like a last gen console is very strange to me.
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That's the wrong assumption to be making about DS2, imo, even though that's all the gaming press seemed to get out of it. We've known since last Summer that they would only improve the assets if Wii U turned out to be some kind of a beast. But nobody was expecting that in the first place.

Technical limitations this early on can just as easily be chalked up to non-final dev kits and unfamiliarity with the platform as anything else. These are the kinds of things one can expect with a gen 1 game for any platform, no matter the relative 'power' or improved feature set. There just are so many variables involved; it's not like putting the same numbers into a faster calculator.

We also don't know anything about the framerates, which is the typical metric used to gauge power. All we know for sure is that Wii U has an extra screen which they're using to improve the game itself. To me, that's what's the most important thing is. Nintendo needs to make sure that the extra screen is used as something more than a gimmick and that it truly is a game changer.
 
this thread really needs to be locked for like 2 weeks... just give everything a rest for a bit, you guys go through this thread much to quickly.
Seriously, 600 posts in one day :/
 
I actually know surprisingly little. I cheat by looking up stuff on Wikipedia and by trying to heed what the wiser folk here say.

We hope you visit every now and then. Just be happy you didn't wage any genital bets here. They're the new "ban bet". I have three on file (from Jarmel, thomasmahler and frankie_baby).

wait.. what the hell is a "genital bet?" Is it what I think it is? Eww.

Also: I can't wait for the first sensational news story reporting on how gamers can use the uPad's camera to strip nekkid for other players during an online game of UNO on WiiWare. You know it's coming!
 
Nintendo can't risk more half assed announcements. Combine that with the 3DS reasoning above and I think that's why they are not saying anything. One give the 3DS some time in the light since we know it will be all wii u attention wise at E3, and also use the time to get their eggs in order.
 
Yes that is exactly the kind of thing this thread needs and is there for i feel. Personally, i don't see them changing the name, but we need the WILL THEY? WILL THEY RENAME IT TO PUU?! posts (even if they sometimes come off as dickish, and we butt heads) ^_^

Freud would have a lot of fun with this post, meh...



There really isn't any reason to parade around specs (especially at this early point) and about a gajillion NOT to do that.
Didn't people actually speculate that Nintendo had to reveal the Wii U earlier than planned because of the leaks, and now we're standing here complaining "why did they reveal it if they don't have anything to actually tell us about it".
I really don't understand how anybody can actually be angry about that, and i don't mean "write something stupid on a forum" but actually, genuinely angry. Why? How?
But really i am not adressing you with this post so i don't know why i quoted you, so let this be a welcome to this thread of wonders and crowded trains crashing into bgassassin.

Curiousity killed the kitten remember, and Nintendo Ninjas are deeeeeeeeeeeeeadly

Thanks for the welcome, and definitely not angry. I can't even say what I'd prefer them to do differently in regards to news. It's just unnerving to go for such stretches of time between E3s and find out some dream-crushing revelation to a rumour that could have been clarified quickly and concisely in the bud with one statement.

I know I'm saying a whole lot of nothing with this, but they just don't do much to fan the (good) flames that you all in this thread can create with intelligent speculation. I understand letting the product speak for itself but holy shit. They are frankly quite boring in their approach sometimes.
 
wait.. what the hell is a "genital bet?" Is it what I think it is? Eww.

"The Status Quo now is stuff like Gears 3, Uncharted 3, etc. I'd bet my left ball saying that the WiiU will not be able to render that kinda quality twice at the same time, once on my TV and once on the ControllerDisplay."

"I'll bet both balls and my knob that it will"

One of them might have been retracted* shortly after, but I still have them on file just for the eventual heckling. The third one is 3DS based, so that's out of scope in this thread.


Also: I can't wait for the first sensational news story reporting on how gamers can use the uPad's camera to strip nekkid for other players during an online game of UNO on WiiWare. You know it's coming!

But Kinect has depth-measurement and could tell you the boob size of any female players!
and some males


* see what I did there?
 
What new consoles do you want the Wii U VC to support? I've seen some people mention GC, but is it possible without a hdd? Aren't game sizes at least 1GB?
 
wait.. what the hell is a "genital bet?" Is it what I think it is? Eww.

Also: I can't wait for the first sensational news story reporting on how gamers can use the uPad's camera to strip nekkid for other players during an online game of UNO on WiiWare. You know it's coming!

On a slightly related note, i demand many a disembodied hand game à la Illusion and the DS spanking/witch hunt simulators!

Also if Konami doesn't put out a Wii U LovePlus complete with LE console i shall be sad. I Believe, GAF, i do.

HahahHAHahah Hooooboy...will it never happen, but this is the thread this kind of lunacy

Thanks for the welcome, and definitely not angry. I can't even say what I'd prefer them to do differently in regards to news. It's just unnerving to go for such stretches of time between E3s and find out some dream-crushing revelation to a rumour that could have been clarified quickly and concisely in the bud with one statement.

I know I'm saying a whole lot of nothing with this, but they just don't do much to fan the (good) flames that you all in this thread can create with intelligent speculation. I understand letting the product speak for itself but holy shit. They are frankly quite boring in their approach sometimes.

Hm yes, but really i think the ones unreasonable here are the sites that blow every innocuously uttered word way out of proportion, and we're here dealing with the fallout. Even Iwata himself complained about the tabloid style writing gaming press so fervently produces. Not that we don't do our part in blowing here *sinister look*
 
"The Status Quo now is stuff like Gears 3, Uncharted 3, etc. I'd bet my left ball saying that the WiiU will not be able to render that kinda quality twice at the same time, once on my TV and once on the ControllerDisplay."

"I'll bet both balls and my knob that it will"

One of them might have been retracted* shortly after, but I still have them on file just for the eventual heckling. The third one is 3DS based, so that's out of scope in this thread.




But Kinect has depth-measurement and could tell you the boob size of any female players!
and some males

* see what I did there?

Retracted.. hehe.. I was giggling even before I saw the asterisk.

I wonder if anyone has made a taint bet yet.
 
What new consoles do you want the Wii U VC to support? I've seen some people mention GC, but is it possible without a hdd? Aren't game sizes at least 1GB?

I would be satisfied with being able to buy GBA games for play on the pad's screen. Good condition GC games aren't difficult enough to find yet for me to consider buying them digitally, especially at their likely price of $15 or so.

GBA is all I can really think of. I just want to play Golden Sun in native resolution again.
 
What new consoles do you want the Wii U VC to support? I've seen some people mention GC, but is it possible without a hdd? Aren't game sizes at least 1GB?
Gamecube's got to be there.
If Sony can release a portable that requires a memory card to run games, Nintendo can put out a bunch of quick and easy emulated games for the audience that will connect a USB hard drive.
 
IIRC they remove a bunch of junk data



Dreamcast support would be awesome.

Yeah i think so too about the junk data removal, should work for most games.

Dreamcast...man i promised i wouldn't get hyped but...now you broke me. ShenmUe here we come.

Also that naturally makes that Sega published SK title Shenmue 3. Launch of course. Chooooo Chooooo.

I would be satisfied with being able to buy GBA games for play on the pad's screen. Good condition GC games aren't difficult enough to find yet for me to consider buying them digitally, especially at their likely price of $15 or so.

Two words my man, Twin Snakes. Quick google search prices it at 70€. At least Ikaruga is cheapish now, was it the Xbox games? Because that was insane too.
 
I would be satisfied with being able to buy GBA games for play on the pad's screen. Good condition GC games aren't difficult enough to find yet for me to consider buying them digitally, especially at their likely price of $15 or so.

GBA is all I can really think of. I just want to play Golden Sun in native resolution again.

I know folks will scoff, but I can agree with this. Just put a border around the screen, and it'll look fine. And being able to play Oracle of Ages-Seasons/Minish Cap on my TV would be incredible.
 
Virtual Console games should look great running on the 480p controller screen. It's a great solution to the nastiness of N64 and GCN games running on a big HDTV.
 
Virtual Console games should look great running on the 480p controller screen. It's a great solution to the nastiness of N64 and GCN games running on a big HDTV.

I'm looking forward to playing GCN titles on the uPad while watching TV in the background. Gonna be sweet!
 
Nintendo could be really nice to their GB fans and remaster some of the classics (not sure in what way... so that they look clear at higher-res?)

I do love the charm of pixelated sprites though, so I'm good either way.

Also, I know the answer to this question could be found elsewhere, but does the pad have a 3.5mm jack?

Edit: Thanks ;)
 
Nintendo could be really nice to their GB fans and remaster some of the classics (not sure in what way... so that they look clear at higher-res?)

I do love the charm of pixelated sprites though, so I'm good either way.

I would like to download and play "Ninja Five-O", which I heard lots of random raves about but which is hard to come by.


Also, I know the answer to this question could be found elsewhere, but does the pad have a 3.5mm jack?

According to Wikipedia, it does.
 
FIGS IN MY RECTUM

I did it myself thank you.

Yes i know, one of my first official actions on NeoGAF was clicking on your link and laughing for quite a while. Also seeing you and JoshuaJSlone posting side by side here made me giggle a bit.
('been reading GAF since the Revolution was announced but Lurking never allows you to know the awesome stories behind the quotes! i think!)

♥
 
Yes i know, one of my first official actions on NeoGAF was clicking on your link and laughing for quite a while. Also seeing you and JoshuaJSlone posting side by side here made me giggle a bit.
('been reading GAF since the Revolution was announced but Lurking never allows you to know the awesome stories behind the quotes! i think!)

♥
Well then.

Welcome to the party. Please try not to get banned like my Cooky while still a junior.
 
No, but we can rebuy the games.
:P

I'm hoping rather fervently that even if the Wii U doesn't get a full modding, there's somehow a way to get it to play wbfs images. I really got used to never having to take my discs out and never having to worry about the lifespan of the optical drive's laser.
 
Yes i know, one of my first official actions on NeoGAF was clicking on your link and laughing for quite a while. Also seeing you and JoshuaJSlone posting side by side here made me giggle a bit.
('been reading GAF since the Revolution was announced but Lurking never allows you to know the awesome stories behind the quotes! i think!)

♥

That looks fine to me actually. (before your edit)

On a nitpicking side note not a fan of that generic music that plays on the 3D Classic title screens. Bleah. Would prefer something actually from the game.
 
Well then.

Welcome to the party. Please try not to get banned like my Cooky while still a junior.

It's quite scary being a J. I just hope i can soon go from Junior Gaf to (continentally confused since in germany and not actually japanese) J-Gaf.

That's why i hide in here with all you madmenmonkeys.

So my personal insanity goes unnoticed!

That looks fine to me actually. (before your edit)

On a nitpicking side note not a fan of that generic music that plays on the 3D Classic title screens. Bleah. Would prefer something actually from the game.

I'm confused, it's like 4AM and my head feels like it was in an accident. I just edited because i don't even know if they touched it up. Is it even a game, i don't remember anymore.

Excuse me...who are you? Excuse me...who are you?
 
Actually since bg is here and since we are talking about TFLOPs again, can i ask if the "AMD said that >1TFLOP" came from game.watch?

I tried to google it, but i only seem to find other places with GAF posters talking about it haha, and the way i read it, it distinctly says that the estimation is not from an AMD source?

The word they used throws me off a bit, so Dcharlie (or anybody else, really) might be able to confirm better, if it matters at all.

Sorry I bailed out not long before you posted. But yes that info came from Game Watch. Back around E3 they did two articles that dealt with Wii U and the GPU. The second dealt more with the GPU than the first. This info for the most part supposedly came from Marc Diana who works with AMD marketing. The part you refer to saw a change in the Google translation. The newer one is worse than the older one. But the Google translation made it sound like they were told it is over 1 TFLOP, and that they compared it to the off-the-shelf GPUs to determine what it was though they weren't specific on that comparison.
 
Heh, that's like playing Majora's Mask on LoZ Collection without the disc needing to spin (if I'm not mistaken, that was possible).
 
Heh, that's like playing Majora's Mask on LoZ Collection without the disc spinning (if I'm not mistaken, that was possible).

I'm going to check that right now
Edit: Tried it on the Wii. As long as you've visited the area already, the game will still work.
Also, I miss the rumble in Majora's Mask. SO GOOD!
 
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