AceBandage
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That still wouldn't make sense, though.
Nintendo knows that they can't survive off of 360./PS3 scraps for third party support.
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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That still wouldn't make sense, though.
Nintendo knows that they can't survive off of 360./PS3 scraps for third party support.
maybe the idea was the jump would be so early that microsoft and sony would have to adjust their plans in two years to suit nintendo's market, and not the other way around.
How do you know?
I'm thinking it will similar to 3DS situation, its games render fewer polys than Wii, but because the use of advanced textures and shadows it looks better than Wii games (it's easy see it in MH3)
Exactly. Development will start on the PS4/720 and all the big games will be showcased there (Maybe with downports to 360/PS3). If the Wii U is considered the same as a PS3/360 downport, it will again be a second class citizen and Nintendo would not have learned a single thing in the last 3 generations regarding 3rd parties.
Sadly I think thats gonna happen anyways. I think they are gonna do what they think is enough for 3rd parties then stick their head in the sand.
Even the 3rd parties who are happy to try and work with Nintendo still get held back and limited because Nintendo designs a case and says work within the parameters this case will allow.
Absolutely. Unless Nintendo makes a system that's top of the line, "hardcorez to teh max" 3rd parties will always be unhappy. They're just not creative/confident enough to think that a control scheme is enough to sell their software.
I think an issue is though the inflexability of Nintendo. They design a console case 2 years before launch and they are done. Sure Temco says they are working all the time tweaking stuff etc but there is only so much you can do with the limitations in place of a console case designed a year or more earlier.
You might tweak a GPU clock 50mhz one way or another etc but you arent going to be able to radically change much so while Nintendo may be more willing to listen this time they still restrict potential
nah, Gamecube was top of the line system, and third parties manage to find excuses to bypass the system.
I'd like to believe that, but I feel like any IPs we get won't have much heart in them.
As in they will be rather generic.
nckillthegrimace
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Are you saying that they should be executed?
"We are very interested to develop for the Nintendo Gamecube, but only if we can find a compelling way to make use of the unique handle".
Glorified G
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The only thing I could think of is maybe the CPU. I cant imagine it being the ram or GPU.
They should be tar and feathered!
Glorified G
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fixed
SolidSnakex
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Didn't the GC receive around the same amount of third party support as the Xbox?
Xbox got GTA, so ¿no?
sports franchises dropped pretty fast, as well as a lot of m-rated titles. remember, the gamecube was the kiddy console, back when people used kiddy to describe things instead of casual.
I wonder what it'll be in this upcoming generation. My money's on "Eastern."
I could phrase that another way: developers always found an excuse to eschew Nintendo's platform.
All platforms, regardless of manufacturer, have their own issues.. but somehow, in some way, Sony's and Microsoft's issues are always magically forgiveable. $599? RROD? Anemic sales for the first few years? Tunnelvisioned audience? All magically forgiveable.
Nintendo is not without blame, but there's a pattern, and it stinks.
ZombiePlatypus
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Genuine question, does anyone actually buy Nintendo consoles specifically for the 3rd party games? For me, Nintendo systems have always been about the Nintendo games. Any good 3rd party stuff that may be offered was always a nice extra, but not the deal maker/breaker.
The way I see it is that I can never have anything perfect in life.
If Sony and MS would follow through with their bold ten year cycle, none of this would be something to get upset over. Of course, MS and Sony never pass up a dick-waving competition, so...
SolidSnakex
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Yeah, i'm not saying that it received all of those games but I do remember a lot of them ended up on the GC. All of the Splinter Cell's, the SSX games, CoD, MoH, Timesplitters etc. It's probably the best third party support on consoles that they've received since the SNES.
AceBandage
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I personally bet on an August launch.
Father_Brain
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Too close to E3 to be realistic, IMO. September at the absolute earliest.
why not during e3?
The only reason I'm not optimistic about third parties on Wii U is because they saw the Wii break sales records and sell faster than any console before and basically sat on their hands. I remember that third parties once upon a time would support the market leader, even if it wasn't the most powerful thing out at the time (PS2), or if it was difficult to program for (PS2) or if it was so weak it had trouble running games from the previous generation (PS1). they never tried to outright veto the market's decision.
But then this generation rolls around and the market changes and rather than adapt, they essentially invent new economic buzzwords and in the case of Japan, essentially try to force the popularity of a then unpopular console (PS3). New reasons were made post hoc about motion controls being weird or dem gamers be casuals or children or grandmas, and then much later the notion that they would have to develop two versions of a game to support the Wii. Business methods that worked and made common sense in every generation before were suddenly thrown out the window, PR departments started sounding like Gamefaqs users, etc.
It was all very depressing to watch.
AceBandage
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The day before E3.
Right before the biggest shopping day of the year is a shitty time?
Smiles and Cries
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so on the remote impossibility that the WiiU is on the same level of 360/PS3 (or weaker)
what would be the best thing for Nintendo fans to do at this point?
A) We don't buy Nintendo consoles for 3rd Parties so we just shut up and take it as always
B) We have online petitions (yeah those always work)
C) Sit out buying a Nintendo console for a generation
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Regardless of what fans choose to do, it won't change the hardware or Nintendo's choices.
There needs to come a day when everyone walks away from buying a Nintendo home console for them to care about what fans are demanding.
Even if the WiiU is really weaker in power compared to current gen I don't see fans walking away in large enough numbers to make a difference
what would be the best thing for Nintendo fans to do at this point?
A) We don't buy Nintendo consoles for 3rd Parties so we just shut up and take it as always
B) We have online petitions (yeah those always work)
C) Sit out buying a Nintendo console for a generation
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Regardless of what fans choose to do, it won't change the hardware or Nintendo's choices.
There needs to come a day when everyone walks away from buying a Nintendo home console for them to care about what fans are demanding.
Even if the WiiU is really weaker in power compared to current gen I don't see fans walking away in large enough numbers to make a difference
Blarg, now you've got my hopes up. Could one ask for more?
AceBandage
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Completely depends on the games announced, as is always the case.
Smiles and Cries
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there it is... they can put any hardware out they want no matter what level of tech... the games... you just cannot say no
its like crack
You could say that's both good and bad.
(Personally, I think it's edging into the bad)
AceBandage
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Good games are good games.
I mean, look at the huge response something as simple as Angry Birds or Super Meat Boy got.
Buy Wii U. Buy/Upgrade PC. Done.
Quoted for truth.
Remember when Nintendo announced "6 - 12 million polygons per second" for Gamecube?.
Playstation 2 and xbox fans had a riot stating the Gamecube must be far inferior but in the end Nitnendo's number was a low ball real world game estimate, whereas Sony and MS talked about figures twenty times as large, yet were never hit in game.
Thing is, we don't know how flexible they are being. IIRC we have not seen an official picture of the case since E3, so things might have changed a bit if it was required. That said, I don't know enough (anything) about system and case design to know if what it was at E3 is enough for a PS3/360 "killer" or not.
Remember they don't have a PSU in there, and they don't have a hard drive. The former is a benefit over the PS3, and the latter is a benefit over PS3 and 360.
Probably will do the same thing I did this gen. Buy Wii U and Nextbox or PS4.
This is where I'm almost sitting. After this generation of appallingly shitty 3rd party support, and my desire for 1 (ONE) console next generation, I have to chose wisely. I love Metroid and Zelda and that's what I usually buy Nintendo systems for. However, if I don't feel that they have upped the ante enough, nor secured great 3rd party support I may just have to go with a different system and just borrow/rent for those couple of games. I feel let down over the Wii, so it has to change this generation for me.
Also, you're probably right that fans won't walk away in sufficient numbers although Nintendo did suffer this generation the last couple of years which I think was partly due to the lack of all the great 3rd party games - a lot of Wii gamers were two console gamers. The casual gamers are fickle as buggery and will give up on you as soon as you're not the next big thing. It's the core fans that hang in there, buy day one and evangelisise your system.
AceBandage
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I don't get why people think that Nintendo re-entering an arms race is the best thing for anyone...
Why is it so bad for a company to be different? I just don't get it.
If you're so hung up on the third party games, you have two systems that are exactly the same already.
Why is it so bad for a company to be different? I just don't get it.
If you're so hung up on the third party games, you have two systems that are exactly the same already.
Not engaging in the arms-race is one thing, but if this highly unlikely rumor is true, it would be embarrassing to say the least.