Analyst on Wii U: "Competitive position has deteriorated", "No Activision support".

Yeah..
Activision is not planning to support Wii U, guess Treyarch and Vicarious Visions (two of their best team that also were great Wii developers and managed to release DLC and patches on Wii games...on top of the great relationship they both have with Nintendo; which is why they were apparently among the first to get kits) will use those dev-kits as paper weights.

And I guess they were also lying last year:
"We will be supporting the Wii U," Activision Publishing CEO Eric Hirshberg told GameSpot earlier today. "You bet against Nintendo at your peril."​
 
People really hate nintendo for some reason. I hope the WiiU has great success like the Wii so I can witness never ending tears every month. Christmas 2009 NPD was an amazing thread.
 
I heard on 01Net Iwata was being forced to step down as a president, and that a 3DS revision was coming in 1Q2012.

Rumors...
 
fernoca said:
Yeah..
Activision is not planning to support Wii U, guess Treyarch and Vicarious Visions (two of their best team that also were great Wii developers and managed to release DLC and patches on Wii games...on top of the great relationship they both have with Nintendo; which is why they were apparently among the first to get kits) will use those dev-kits as paper weights.

And I guess they were also lying last year:
"We will be supporting the Wii U," Activision Publishing CEO Eric Hirshberg told GameSpot earlier today. "You bet against Nintendo at your peril."​
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that quote comes from the horse's mouth though. Not dubious enough or worded ambiguously enough to be true.
 
Phonomezer said:
Yeah, it's really fucking annoying. Understandable from a financial point of view, but they act as if Nintendo doesn't have hardware to support themselves.

And no Activision support? :/
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Activision support was vital to the Wii. I can't believe Nintendo would make such a gaffe. *


*There was Activision support for the Wii? Huh.
 
I love how everyone just assumes someone claiming Nintendo's doomed is just a hater. I grew up on Nintendo and I gotta say... probably never going to get one of their consoles again.
 
ProXimity said:
I love how everyone just assumes someone claiming Nintendo's doomed is just a hater. I grew up on Nintendo and I gotta say... probably never going to get one of their consoles again.
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Ok...
You not getting their consoles does not mean they are doomed, though. Far from it, in fact.
 
ProXimity said:
I love how everyone just assumes someone claiming Nintendo's doomed is just a hater. I grew up on Nintendo and I gotta say... probably never going to get one of their consoles again.
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Yea, I'd be curious to see those buying trends since NES. What percent bought every console, where people start, where they get off, etc. NES was my first, N64 was my last.
 
AceBandage said:
Ok...
You not getting their consoles does not mean they are doomed, though. Far from it, in fact.
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Ok...
You getting their consoles does not mean they aren't doomed, though. Far from it, in fact.

I'd like to see those numbers, too, Bishop. I think the increased lack of support for the hardcore community from generation to generation slowly alienated greater and greater percentages of their once blindly loyal fans.
 
A lot of Sony fans are people who were pissed at Nintendo so it's not a big surprise, and nothing changes here, it's history repeating, for better or worse
 
theBishop said:
Yea, I'd be curious to see those buying trends since NES. What percent bought every console, where people start, where they get off, etc. NES was my first, N64 was my last.
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For me it started NES and ended with WII. I had every Nintendo Console pre WII. Handheld wise I've had them all but 3DS which I'll eventually buy when cheap.
 
"I love how everyone just assumes someone claiming Nintendo is not doomed is just a fanboy. I grew up on Nintendo and I gotta say... going to get all of their consoles day one."

It works both ways. :p

In the end, claiming doom, failure and other hyperbolic things (the same as success and love and millions) is nonsense; even more when there are no facts to go either way. So "the haters" don't like the Wii U based on anonymous sources and "the lovers" love the Wii U based on anonymous sources (and a few non-anonymous ones).
 
ProXimity said:
When you're a company and you're consistently losing your foothold on the industry with each passing generation of consoles, um... yeah, you're doomed.
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Nintendo is consistently losing their foothold? Wii did worse than the Cube now? Damn, doomed indeed.

Edit: beaten, lol. Gotta love how some people rewrite history to match their feelings...
 
ProXimity said:
When you're a company and you're consistently losing your foothold on the industry with each passing generation of consoles, um... yeah, you're doomed.
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Going from 22M consoles sold to 95M in a single generation. Yeah, losing foothold. Great math there.
 
ProXimity said:
When you're a company and you're consistently losing your foothold on the industry with each passing generation of consoles, um... yeah, you're doomed.
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Wii is approaching a 100 millions userbase, DS is at what, 150 millions? 3DS over 15 millions already.

What are yo smoking?
 
1. I don't visit gaming often anymore, but I'm really glad this got its own thread. I can't even visit the rumors thread without my mind turning to mush.

2. Is the GPU-less-powerful-than-PS3 thing true? I ask because it sounds exactly like something Nintendo would do.

3. I don't believe Activision wouldn't support any Nintendo product so long as there's money to be made.

4. I'm seeing a lot of really uniformed comments about developing on iOS, profit margins, and general mobile strategy that makes me wonder if a world exists outside of this carnival for some of you.
 
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.

lol at you guys posting numbers when NUMBERS are what demonstrates that the Wii U isn't up to par. The Wii sold a lot of units because of the Wii-mote, not because of its games. Software sales between the three consoles certainly don't show Nintendo's Wii being "where it's at," if you will.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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You're right. It is a business.
And Nintendo is the most successful video game company there is.
So... what is your point again?
 
Your George Lucas avatar suits you.

You are the one who is naive, calling doomed on the company before anything has been shown.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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Oh, you were talking about hardware in your last post. Well, we can't really make these kinds of assumptions about something we know nothing about. And Nintendo is all about the user's gameplay experience, it's what sets them apart from the other two.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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I feel like it's important to note at this point that no one has seen anything, especially not you.
 
What does that have to do with your previous, ahem, interesting statement? If anything all recent Nintendo systems (and some of their biggest older systems too) show specs aren't what matters the most, or much. Including the 3DS, which may not be doing as good as it could have, but er, Vita on the other hand does have said "desired" specs, which clearly also aren't enough and they need to do a lot more to actually compete. They may turn things around for sure, but it won't be the specs that cause it, rather the appealing software they can get hold of. And please link us to your amazing sources that gave us such details, I'm interested in learning what the specs of Wii U are too, even though I don't think it's what will dictate the course of the next generation.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen,
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First, how does it not compare???

Second, "next generation" is(are) a stupid word(s) and in reality, it means "next generation of consoles" meaning successors.

None of your powertalk has to do with you saying Nintendo is losing its foothold in an industry and as far as business is concerned, people already pointed out that the Wii was an overwhelming success and improvement from their last console.

They might be losing their foothold in your personal industry and others but the company is doing rather well and isn't anywhere near trouble.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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Give me five examples of how "more powerful hardware" contributes to the raw gameplay experience... In your view, list some specifics.

My hunch is you just crave a better aesthetic and look, not a drastic gameplay improvement that contrary to popular belief is not reliant upon powerful hardware.
 
No matter how many times you waggle your finger at Nintendo for not taking the high tech road, they keep smacking your butt for not dying and proving you wrong. You have their competition, go and play with their games and stop calling doom on Nintendo, they aren't going anywhere, no matter how much you want to believe it.
 
marc^o^ said:
Wii is approaching a 100 millions userbase, DS is at what, 150 millions? 3DS over 15 millions already.

What are yo smoking?
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Depends how you classify the games industry. Nintendo have lost touch with certain parts of it compared to Sony and Microsoft and will be heavily threatened in others by Apple. The wii was a huge success, but I would argue (backed by games sales) that was because it grew and changed the market rather than nintendo dominating it. They now need to hold onto it, and this will most likely be quite difficult.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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In between some of the silly antics you're typing here you've made a good point about profits and business. But you seem to be missing the idea that Nintendo bases its decisions, presumably, on profit models they see fit.

I mean, we all assume that none of these are triple-bottom line companies, right? None of them are not-for-profit, and none of them are doing this for charity, and none of them are doing this for free.

So we can probably dispense with the nonsense and focus on the strategy with which you apparently disagree based on what you assume is a poor profit model -- low/old tech. Would you like to start there and leave the diaper/power/dismissive comments at the door?
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.
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Except you're been naive using the "doesn't compare to current gen consoles" as truth, when there are multiple threads talking about the same (hint: is not true).


PantherLotus said:
1. I don't visit gaming often anymore, but I'm really glad this got its own thread. I can't even visit the rumors thread without my mind turning to mush.

2. Is the GPU-less-powerful-than-PS3 thing true? I ask because it sounds exactly like something Nintendo would do.

3. I don't believe Activision wouldn't support any Nintendo product so long as there's money to be made.

4. I'm seeing a lot of really uniformed comments about developing on iOS, profit margins, and general mobile strategy that makes me wonder if a world exists outside of this carnival for some of you.
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1. Thread's actually an analyst making recommendations based on info that is not true (and his own believes -kinda like Patcher calling the Wii U like the Dreamcast); so no "real news" and more like "another rumor thread".

2. Nope. Different architectures too, so devs have more problem try to just do quick port jobs; which seems to be the problem with some of the earlier dev-kits.

3. Support was announced last year, teams like Treyarch and Vicarious have dev-kits too.

4. Yep, like in most threads. People mix their own believes with facts. So if to them iOS is ruining gaming = failure.
 
If they can figure out how not to get Wii U pirated after just 3 months, Nintendo and 3rd parties should do fine.
 
This is too much lol. Literally, you are all voicing the same admirably foolish optimism people felt before the Wii released. Continue to bicker amongst yourselves about how ignorant and uninformed I am, while I invest in the new Sony or Microsoft console and never end up feeling stuck in the past when they finally port Crysis 2 to the Wii U in 2016.
 
toddhunter said:
Depends how you classify the games industry. Nintendo have lost touch with certain parts of it compared to Sony and Microsoft and will be heavily threatened in others by Apple.
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The industry of video games, is the only way you can classify it...
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that Nintendo is losing its foothold because the Wii and DS sold to a wide variety of people?

ProXimity said:
This is too much lol. Literally, you are all voicing the same admirably foolish optimism people felt before the Wii released. Continue to bicker amongst yourselves about how ignorant and uninformed I am, while I invest in the new Sony or Microsoft console and never end up feeling stuck in the past when they finally port Crysis 2 to the Wii U in 2016.
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Man, you should have quit when you were ahead. About 10 posts ago.
 
ProXimity said:
I want to slam my face into an active chainsaw right now. Some of you act like this isn't a business and there aren't any logistics involved, just do-right attitude. Sorry, boys, but that's not the way it is. If you aren't concerned that the Wii U doesn't even compare to the current generation of consoles and dares to call itself next-gen, well, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. I know that's an abrasive way to say it and that's going to make some of you reach for the baby powder, but it's the truth. We all want to believe that hardware isn't everything until we see how much good hardware really does contribute to the gameplay experience. Don't be naive.

lol at you guys posting numbers when NUMBERS are what demonstrates that the Wii U isn't up to par. The Wii sold a lot of units because of the Wii-mote, not because of its games. Software sales between the three consoles certainly don't show Nintendo's Wii being "where it's at," if you will.
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Nintendo's so bad at business they have $10 billion in the bank. That means they could hemorrhage $100 million a year and still not go bankrupt for 100 years.

DOOMED.
 
ProXimity said:
This is too much lol. Literally, you are all voicing the same admirably foolish optimism people felt before the Wii released. Continue to bicker amongst yourselves about how ignorant and uninformed I am, while I invest in the new Sony or Microsoft console and never end up feeling stuck in the past when they finally port Crysis 2 to the Wii U in 2016.
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We are? Did I happen to say Wii U will do gangbusters? I don't think anyone proclaimed that, most, unlike yourself in fact, are using a wait and see approach. People just challenged your reasoning for why it will in fact do so badly. But hey, keep refusing to reply to the facts that argue against your biases, resorting to attacking others' character instead of their points, that's cool. Even if Wii U does badly it won't be because of your ignorant and often 100% imaginary arguments over what's important, that's for sure.

Ah well, new page, you can keep pretending you're the sole rational poster among a sea of fanboys now, lol.
 
On the other side, I'd note that claiming Wii's success in comparison to the GameCube doesn't make a lot of sense past the superficial total sales/market share on which most of you are focusing. Those number break down pretty quickly -- I'm guessing -- once you look at market segments.

Clearly they were successful with their DS and Wii approach, but I'd conduct some serious market research before stating that either was necessarily more successful than the GameCube in specific target market segments to which most of you belong.
 
ProXimity said:
This is too much lol. Literally, you are all voicing the same admirably foolish optimism people felt before the Wii released. Continue to bicker amongst yourselves about how ignorant and uninformed I am, while I invest in the new Sony or Microsoft console and never end up feeling stuck in the past when they finally port Crysis 2 to the Wii U in 2016.
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Ironically, Crytek said that they were impressed with the Wii U. Guess they actually can't wait to port Crysis 2 in 2016.
 
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