Diprosalic
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i certainly didn't. who goes to see that movie? not saying it's bad it's quite decent but i can't imagine anyone wanting to see in theaters again.
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i certainly didn't. who goes to see that movie? not saying it's bad it's quite decent but i can't imagine anyone wanting to see in theaters again.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Lawl.
Not much to underestimate.
At the theater I work at Hunger games outsold Titanic by a gimongous amount.
Like I said earlier this week Hunger games is the Iceburg that sinks Titanic this weekend.
Another nail in 3d re release trend and 3d in general.
Discotheque
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I like Titanic, I find LA Confidential to be the much better film.
But there was no way Titanic was gonna lose that year.
ViewtifulJC
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With this logic why didn't Avatar win? Perhaps the Academy wised up or something...
Discotheque
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Avatar isn't the type of film to win that award really. Titanic was a lot more in line with the old Hollywood epics.
Because its all about the jucier story.
Giving the oscar to the person who happens to be the ex-wife of the guy with the 2 most successful films of all time was the one they were going for that year. Doesn't matter that the only good films that she ever made (bar one) were the ones that were written by the dude shes going against.
Also yeah, at the end of the Titanic is pure hollywood epic, while Avatar is pure geek fantasy.
No Sci-Fi film has ever won Best Picture. 2001 wasn't even nominated.
But not as many as who wanted to see Star Wars Episode I 3D
Part of me wants to see Titanic while it's in theaters. I've never seen it; I was 5 when it came out. But then the other part of me continues to realize that it's one hundred and ninety four fucking minutes. I'd rather watch a different movie and two episodes of The Wire
That's racist
That is absolutely pathetic when you think about it.
Nappuccino
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People hated 2001 when it was first released.
Almost every Kubrick film was met with some amount of derision upon release.
Expendable.
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Yeah, Kubrick has a lot in common with Malick in that way. Especially The Tree of Life. Give it about a decade or two and everyone will realize it is one of the best films ever made. At least Cannes was right with the Palm d'Or.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Avatar 2/3 to get the delayed win.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I still haven't seen Titanic in its entirity.
Now The Beach on the otherhand.......
Now The Beach on the otherhand.......
Cannes is always giving the Palme D'Or to movies nobody cares about, or will ever care about.
Is he going to make a movie that deserves an Oscar this time?
Haha, yeah, I know that doesn't matter.
crazy monkey
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Avatar wasn't even best scifi film that year.
I think it's a shame 2001 didn't get nominated, but I don't see your point. I'm fairly certain lots of living people have seen Oliver. I've seen it.
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Seraphinianus
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Yeah, no EVER talks about La Dolce Vita, Taxi Driver, Apocalypse Now and Pulp Fiction. Not to mention their highest honor before that, which went to The Third Man, Wages of Fear, MASH, Blow-Up, The Conversation and many others. Also, tons of great films like Sex, Lies and Videotape, Paris Texas, Barton Fink and 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days were awarded the top prizes.
It was the best one of the nominees.
A movie being iconic doesn't mean it was the actual best movie that year because it's tough to figure out what is truly memorable until some time has passed. It's like a hindsight is 20/20 thing.
To me, Hurt Locker was grossly overrated and I'm confident it will be forgotten except for the first woman nod. However, it didn't seem that way when it was be hyped out the wazoo by critics.
As lame a film as it is, Oliver! has been shown to many a middle school music class and it remains a staple of musical theater.
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Oh, Avatar, too. Still haven't seen that movie in its entirity.
I guess I"m one of the lucky ones.
I guess I"m one of the lucky ones.
Discotheque
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You'd have been better off skipping the first half rather than the second half though.
I look at the last 20 years and I really don't give a fuck about most of the movies there. Pulp Fiction is the sole exception.
It's not their fault you don't like good movies.
The last 20 years have had palms go to films from Theodoros Angelopoulos, Roman Polanski, Lars von Trier, Joel and Ethan Coen, Mike Leigh, Abbas Kiarostami, and Michael Haneke. You should give a fuck about them.
I will never in my fucking life give a shit about Lars Von Trier.
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Ouch. Sounds like the problem lies with you then. Might want to remedy that, as you're missing out on a lot of great movies. Unless of course you only like movies that get widespread all-audience acclaim.
Dancer in the Dark is one of the fantastic movies I hope to never see again in my life.
GoutPatrol
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Those films are seen as ones that "hold up" partially because of their Palm d'Or. It sets the narrative.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Not really. Awards gold tends to matter relatively little decades later. Something like La Dolce Vita is buoyed by its own pure, immanent greatness, decades later. Ditto The Third Man, ditto Blowup, ditto The Conversation, etc. Granted, awards used to be worth more of a damn than they presently are (from what I can tell), but what the "Cannes movies tend to be more relevant" thing really indicates is more that Cannes has been a long and enduring venue for the debut of art films and the like.
JGS: icarus's point is that the Academy has pretty much ALWAYS been about rewarding the safe, pandering little movies (I'll take icarus's word that Oliver! is one; I've not seen it) while lacking the balls to really go out on a limb and show support for a daring, important work of art like 2001 was and still is. I mean, look at the Academy Award recipients in the 2000's - with the exception of maaaaaybe No Country for Old Men (and I'm not even THAT big a fan of it anymore, but I grant that there may be something there), is there anything that's going to hold up or be talked about even a decade from now, let alone 2 or more?
I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just saying that the Oscars model is precisely to pander to the loudest marketed film (Occasionaly they will reward the legacy of a particular artist as well). It's not about best picture in the sense of holding up, it's about the best one amongst a particular season amongst a much smaller group of people than a movie loving demographic.
I suppose a better one to look to may be AFI, but they are wise to let a film marinate before considering it a great film. In the heat of the moment, I say it's near impossible (Including the Palm D'Or honestly which has too small of a pool of judges) to pick a Best Picture within the same year unless all the stars align.
Oscars should change to a 10 year cycle...
Phoenician_Viking
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Yes............ I never liked Titanic.
Justice will be served and Sculli is on suicide watch
Yes............ I never liked Titanic.
Justice will be served and Sculli is on suicide watch
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I don't know about $40M for the weekend, given how much Deadline Hollywood over estimated the Hunger Games last weekend (and the one before), but I will admit that, after seeing the strong weekday numbers, I was wrong about the Hunger Game's legs. $375M should happen. I think it will run out of gas before $400M but it could top HP8's gross.
Too bad overseas numbers are so week. 600M worldwide is not as impressive as $375M domestic.
Regarding the Titanic re-release. As soon as I saw the 2600 theatre count, I knew it had no chance at beating the Hunger Games this weekend. There is only so much money to be made on a 3+ hour film re-release playing in 2600 theatres (which is on the low side for modern wide releases). The Lion King made around $30M from the same theatre count in its first weekend, but was half the running time.
My local theatres are playing 3 weekend showings of Titanic. One early matinee (noon), one later matinee (4:30), and one evening showing. Based on my experience, few people go to the movies before 6:30-7pm unless it is a family film.
Comparatively, the same theatres are showing the Hunger games on 3 screens, 5 times each throughout the day. That is 10 viewings, with 6 of then starting after 6:30pm.
Too bad overseas numbers are so week. 600M worldwide is not as impressive as $375M domestic.
Regarding the Titanic re-release. As soon as I saw the 2600 theatre count, I knew it had no chance at beating the Hunger Games this weekend. There is only so much money to be made on a 3+ hour film re-release playing in 2600 theatres (which is on the low side for modern wide releases). The Lion King made around $30M from the same theatre count in its first weekend, but was half the running time.
My local theatres are playing 3 weekend showings of Titanic. One early matinee (noon), one later matinee (4:30), and one evening showing. Based on my experience, few people go to the movies before 6:30-7pm unless it is a family film.
Comparatively, the same theatres are showing the Hunger games on 3 screens, 5 times each throughout the day. That is 10 viewings, with 6 of then starting after 6:30pm.
Phoenician_Viking
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THG = 12.9 million
American Reunion = 9.2 million
Titanic = 7.14 million.
Ahahahaha Titanic. It does not even deserve to get the 7 million.
THG = 12.9 million
American Reunion = 9.2 million
Titanic = 7.14 million.
Ahahahaha Titanic. It does not even deserve to get the 7 million.
The lack of interest in the Titanic re-release confirms a view I have held for a while, that Titanic was a fad that was the right movie at the right time in 1997 and hasn't held long-term interest like other classic films such as The Wizard of Oz, Jaws, The Godfather, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, E.T., etc. I mean I don't know a single person who re-visited it on DVD.
The fact basically every single 3D re-release so far including the dreadful Star Wars Episode I is out-performing it in their opening pretty much is falling in line with this.
BoxOfficeTheory guys are now all saying Titanic will probably finish its domestic re-release run with only 40-50 million. lolololololol. The initial estimates for it pre-tracking were 155 million. This is the best thing to happen at the boxoffice in ages.
The fact basically every single 3D re-release so far including the dreadful Star Wars Episode I is out-performing it in their opening pretty much is falling in line with this.
BoxOfficeTheory guys are now all saying Titanic will probably finish its domestic re-release run with only 40-50 million. lolololololol. The initial estimates for it pre-tracking were 155 million. This is the best thing to happen at the boxoffice in ages.
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