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Ulysses 31
Member
It's hard when you feel guilty about making the first movie.
But to be fair, Arthur could never be the real Joker since he's already so old and Bruce Wayne is still a kid.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
The only truly iconic part of this joker is his design, his clothes and facepaint, it always fell short in everything else.
Its really a shame letting that to waste.
Its really a shame letting that to waste.
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LegendOfKage
Member
Or how about "okay, but we have final say on the script." I was thinking a musical could have been really cool if the songs were good and so was the story. I didn't consider the "this is what you bastards get for liking my movie, and sympathizing with my sympathetic character" angle.
Majormaxxx
Member
Yeah but is it worth the ticket price
Slothbeing1209
Member
Inside the ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Debacle: Todd Phillips ‘Wanted Nothing to Do’ With DC on the $200 Million Misfire
Todd Phillips “wanted nothing to do with DC” during the making of the film and refused to test screen the $200 million comic book sequel.
variety.com
So James Gunn wasn't allowed any input because Todd was being a primadonna, no wonder it was a disaster.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
SJRB
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Jack Videogames
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chromhound
Member
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Did it really do 114 million global?
FunkMiller
Member
This disaster is clearly all down to Phillips being a fucking ass hat, and WB being dumb enough to let him do what he wanted.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
who knows where it'll end up but it wont be close to $1B.
Oddly, International has done much better than domestic 2:1. Numbers.com has Joker 2 at $40M, and International at $75M. And International doesnt even have all countries tracked yet.
Looking at some recent movies like Spidey, Deadpool and Th Batman, Domestic/International split is closer to 1:1.
Oddly, International has done much better than domestic 2:1. Numbers.com has Joker 2 at $40M, and International at $75M. And International doesnt even have all countries tracked yet.
Looking at some recent movies like Spidey, Deadpool and Th Batman, Domestic/International split is closer to 1:1.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ya.
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Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
www.the-numbers.com
CastorSoze
Neo Member
I'm sure we'll see the pitch meeting later this week.
I'll wait until this available for home viewing, which, going by the time between Borderlands performing badly and it's digital release, won't be far away.
Radical_3d
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
How much of the fault lies on the script though. Maybe it's a combination of many aspects.
I’ve been told Joaquin and Gaga did a good job..
Radical_3d
Member
… but didn’t we stablished that the main character had embraced his persona at the end of the first movie?
RAÏSanÏa
Member
They might watch a Taylor concert but Cats did very poorly.
Not that I'd extend that result to impugn all musicals. I think the Greatest Showman came out around then. Poppins 2. I only saw the second and really liked it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.Ya.
Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
Ulysses 31
Member
For a 200M budget without factoring in the promotion costs?
Movies need to make about 2.5-3 times the budget at the box office to start breaking even.
tkscz
Member
Dude made an excellent movie on a $70 million budget that would make $1 billion. Of course they're going to want the guy to make a sequel and let him do whatever he wants.
That said, makes zero sense they would then give him $200 million to make this sequel when he clearly didn't need it. If this movie was also $70 million, still would be losing money but losing a shit ton less.
Remember, the production is $200 million, advertising at the very LEAST is $100 million and whatever they make, theaters take half. So at the very least, this movie put WB $242.5 million in the hole.
Absolutely a loss. To break even, they would, at the very least, need to make $600 million as theaters take half of the overall box office and the production cost does not include the marketing cost which can cost as much as the production on average or even more depending on how much they advertise it.
A good movie to keep in mind is Joss Weadon's Justice League. Movie's production was $300 million and it made over $800 million but WB still lost money from it.
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FunkMiller
Member
It's a massive loss. The film needs a good 500 million to break even. It 's unlikely to clear 250 million when the box office run is done. It's likely to lead to a 200 million dollar plus black hole for Warner Bros. As bad, if not worse, than The Flash.
Thaedolus
Member
How the fuck does a movie without any insane VFX or the like cost $500m to break even? Shit like this always makes me think money laundering
FunkMiller
Member
By all accounts 50 million of it just went on Gaga, Phoenix and Phillips. But on a film with basically two locations, you have to wonder what kind of creative accounting was going on.
Ulysses 31
Member
Bro, think about it, theatres take about a 50% cut from ticket price(some places even more like China). So if the budget was 200M, it needs to generate 400M box office revenue to start breaking even.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Todd Phillips' reputation in the bin
You follow one of Joaquin's dream...
How $200M was injected into this with no test screenings nor any involvement from DC boss.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
L.
Joker 1 made $250M in it's opening weekend, got much better reviews, had a fraction of the budget and it ended up making $1B box office receipts.
bender
What time is it?
Tank Girl, also known as easily the best comic book movie ever created, has musical numbers in it. Maybe the downfall of Joker 2 wasn't the musical bits but rather the lack of Ice Cube dressed as a kangaroo. Think about it!
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
So, he used the success of the first movie to basically fast track this mess into obscurity. I think Phillips and Hollywood deserve each other, if they desire flops, then let them be joined at the hip.
Hari Seldon
Member
I’m a huge fan of musicals but I’d rather let a homeless guy shit in my mouth than see another comic book movie. There is no overlap at all with these audiences lmao.
FunkMiller
Member
You just know they only stuck the face carving thing in there at the end to annoy Christopher Nolan 
The dumbest trick WB ever pulled was pissing him off.
The dumbest trick WB ever pulled was pissing him off.
Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
I still think a musical could have worked.
After all we already had a perfect comic book tortured incel villain musical at a slightly less than $200 million budget:
Initial takeaways, Jooiuoiaquiiouoan Phoenix is no NPH or Nathan Fillion. And Lady Gaga doesn't hold up next to OG Gamer Grrl Felicia "All Day Every" Day. And this Todd Phillips douche ain't shit compared to Casting Couch King Joss Whedon.
Discuss.
After all we already had a perfect comic book tortured incel villain musical at a slightly less than $200 million budget:
Initial takeaways, Jooiuoiaquiiouoan Phoenix is no NPH or Nathan Fillion. And Lady Gaga doesn't hold up next to OG Gamer Grrl Felicia "All Day Every" Day. And this Todd Phillips douche ain't shit compared to Casting Couch King Joss Whedon.
Discuss.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
One of the hottest takes I've ever seen.
Warspite
Neo Member
Could well be their fault but it looks like the start of a narrative is being set up that it was Todd Phillip's fault here.