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[WanderingWind]

You gonna shit every page with this post now?



No it doesn't "get old" if the post is backed up with facts or analysis like they usually are. "Dies to removal, counter" is not good enough, but acknowledging the popular decks and removals/counters they always play is part of judging a cards worth in the meta it exists.

The only dicks are those that are unable to engage in discussion/analysis and just kick the drama queen mode on.

Go whine elsewhere.

 

[OneEightZero]

Tibalt will be fun in my Burning Vengeance deck. ^_^

 

[OnPoint]

They get that lighthouse art from Myst? lol

Awesome card though.

 

[f0rk]

Miracle is such a bad mechanic until they print some playable enablers

 

[WanderingWind]

Miracle is such a bad mechanic until they print some playable enablers

I'm still getting a kick out of the fact that they mechanized top decking. It really would be a miracle to win the game with some of these cards with the keyword.

 

[OneEightZero]

Tibalt's costing two red will make him a little more viable with multiples in the deck as well.

 

[y2dvd]

I'm kinda having a change of heart on Tibalt and will reserve judgement. It will be hard to remove if it resolves early and will demand an answer before getting out of control. I think it could be ok but we'll see.

 

[OneEightZero]

Two flashback drops.
One blast.
Recast.
Two flashback drops.
One blast.
Recast...

Actually, pairing him with Tamiyo might be kind of interesting.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

All Miracle is going to do is create a bunch of bad beat stories. The mechanic insists that the cards be significantly undercosted for the miracle cost and slightly overcosted for the regular cost. Pretty sure that any Miracle card which becomes truly playable outside of Standard will get banhammered pretty hard.

 

[OnPoint]

I'm still getting a kick out of the fact that they mechanized top decking. It really would be a miracle to win the game with some of these cards with the keyword.

If it ends up overpowered Ponder could be in the crosshairs

 

[WanderingWind]

If it ends up overpowered Ponder could be in the crosshairs

Nooooooo! Not my Ponders!

 

[zoukka]

Go whine elsewhere.

Countered by arguments, dies to reasoning.

One week ban at most b)

 

[OnPoint]

Nooooooo! Not my Ponders!

Also interesting would be slapping it on the top of your deck on your turn, then using Think Twice to draw a Miracle card on your opponent's turn. That would work, right?

 

[OneEightZero]

Also interesting would be slapping it on the top of your deck on your turn, then using Think Twice to draw a Miracle card on your opponent's turn. That would work, right?

The good ones, unfortunately, are at Sorcery speed.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

The good ones, unfortunately, are at Sorcery speed.

Which doesn't matter; as a Miracle you can cast it anyway.

 

[OneEightZero]

Which doesn't matter; as a Miracle you can cast it anyway.

I thought that spells still had to be cast at their speed, even if it's an ability?

 

[ultron87]

The good ones, unfortunately, are at Sorcery speed.

The speed doesn't matter if you are playing them for the miracle cost. You just get to cast it right away. I still wanna know when that resolves if you are using Brainstorm during your opponents turn.

 

[OneEightZero]

Crap! I need to see the rule for that!

Not that I don't believe you. I need to show it to someone else. ^_^

 

[darkside31337]

Forget the 2CC PW, Zealous Conscripts is cool as hell.

Always loved Word of Seizing, trading Split Second for a 3/3 body is an interesting change, but I love it regardless.

 

[ultron87]

Crap! I need to see the rule for that!

Not that I don't believe you. I need to show it to someone else. ^_^

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/190a

As you draw an instant or sorcery with miracle, if it's the first card you've drawn this turn, you can immediately reveal it. When you do so, you may cast it for its miracle cost. It doesn't matter whether it's an instant or sorcery; if you choose to cast it, you do so right away, even if it's at a time (such as your draw step) when you couldn't normally cast it.

 

[OneEightZero]

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/190a

Does this apply to Flashback or Madness also?

Also, that makes me think Miracle works on other people's turns as well.

Edit: Dang. Doesn't apply to flashback. Disregard.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Does this apply to Flashback or Madness also?

Also, that makes me think Miracle works on other people's turns as well.

What do you mean does it apply to flashback?

 

[WanderingWind]

Countered by arguments, dies to reasoning.

One week ban at most b)

Nah, you can stick around. Just try not to take broad jokes told by everybody personally. We've gone pretty far ITT without name calling and drama. Shit is so unnecessary in a Magic thread where grow ups are talking about faeries and elves and shit.

But serious, Tbone the Useless is a terrible Planeswalker. He gets beat up by the other PWs for his lunch spark

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Miracle, Flashback, and Madness are all separate mechanics with separate rules. Rules which apply to one do not apply to others.

 

[OneEightZero]

What do you mean does it apply to flashback?

I was curious if the speed rule didn't apply to Flashback or Madness. It does.

I'm being slow this morning, heh.

 

[siddx]

Zealous Conscripts is a great draft card.

I'm with the tibalt sucks crowd. The only time I could see him being useful is in a flashback deck. But a planeswalker who is only useful in a single specific kind of deck is about as useful as a dead cat.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I was curious if the speed rule didn't apply to Flashback or Madness. It does.

I'm being slow this morning, heh.

Ah, ok.

 

[zoukka]

I was curious if the speed rule didn't apply to Flashback or Madness. It does.

I'm being slow this morning, heh.

Madness can be cast any time you discard the card and flashback is casted at the speed the card is.

 

[OneEightZero]

Madness can be cast any time you discard the card and flashback is casted at the speed the card is.

That's... mighty helpful. It's going to change how I play my Madness deck completely. ^_^

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Now this is an actual spell. That makes the already crazy Lingering Souls even crazier and something like Spider Spawning into a nuclear counter bomb.

Daaaaaaaayum. I want this in my green/white deck now.

 

[OneEightZero]

This one been posted yet?

 

[The Technomancer]

It seems like white is going to have a hugely disproportionate number of big-body fliers in this set.

 

[Haly]

The problem with that angel and Cathar's Crusade, from the perspective of WU Humans.

By turn 5 you'll have dumped most of your hand. Travelers, Champions, Townsfolks, Geists of Saint Tafts, Mirran Crusaders, etc. It comes at a time where what you need most is to refuel your hand somehow, not to cast innately cheap creatures for even cheaper.

It might work in an Angel tribal deck but you won't reap any benefits from it until turn 6, which is absurdly slow.

 

[ultron87]

GW Angel Ramp time!

and unless you find a way to pump several counters on her next turn,

Travel Preparations?

 

[y2dvd]

Herald is a little too slow and weak for my likings. Most of the good humans are already cheap to cast and unless you find a way to pump several counters on her next turn, it's going to take a few turns make casting other angels cheap.

*beaten by Haly...damn you!

 

[Haly]

Basically anything 5cc or over needs to win you the game singlehandedly.

 

[WanderingWind]

GW Angel Ramp time!



Travel Preparations?

Yeah, this is going to be the deck I'll be trying first

 

[OnPoint]

Herald is a little too slow and weak for my likings. Most of the good humans are already cheap to cast and unless you find a way to pump several counters on her next turn, it's going to take a few turns make casting other angels cheap.

*beaten by Haly...damn you!

Exactly how I feel. At five mana her usefulness is limited. Though she may help get Avacyn out faster haha

 

[Haly]

I think people who are serious about getting Avacyn out would just Unburial Rites her.

Which is, coincidentally, 5cc!

 

[WanderingWind]

Wonder if we'll see any 1-2cmc angels. I'd really like to do an angel deck. I know they've said that angels are supposed to be white's dragons, but I'm hopeful. If it's not in this set, it'll never change.

 

[OnPoint]

Yeah, I'd never realistically consider casting her for her actual cost. 8 is just too much.

 

[shoplifter]

The speed doesn't matter if you are playing them for the miracle cost. You just get to cast it right away. I still wanna know when that resolves if you are using Brainstorm during your opponents turn.

This is all one effect. You draw 3 and return 2 cards all in one resolution. Nothing may happen between the two. If something triggers on drawing cards, it will go on the stack after Brainstorm finishes resolving.

I'm assuming you'd have to reveal the Miracle card immediately after drawing it then once you put the two cards back on the library, you'd be able to cast it.

 

[joelseph]

Yeah, I'd never realistically consider casting her for her actual cost. 8 is just too much.

Unless they are introducing a new meta mechanic that hasn't been revealed yet? What I wonder is why do there seem to be a high number of cards that return your creature to hand.

 

[OnPoint]

Unless they are introducing a new meta mechanic that hasn't been revealed yet? What I wonder is why do there seem to be a high number of cards that return your creature to hand.

Maybe we'll see a wrath effect that kills all non-humans and non-angels. HA!

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Unless they are introducing a new meta mechanic that hasn't been revealed yet? What I wonder is why do there seem to be a high number of cards that return your creature to hand.

Maybe to let you re-soulbind in an extremely inefficient way?

 

[y2dvd]

If we see some 1 or 2 cmc angels, you betcha that green card that lets you bring out same creature type at beginning of upkeep will be broken! I will play W/G angels.

So as long as you trigger Miracle, it doesn't have to be the first card you cast that turn correct?

 

[The Technomancer]

I guess I'm wondering if all of the other colors are either going to have more fliers then normal or more flying hate then normal.

 

[echoshifting]

So as long as you trigger Miracle, it doesn't have to be the first card you cast that turn correct?

Right.

 

[ultron87]

So as long as you trigger Miracle, it doesn't have to be the first card you cast that turn correct?

You have to cast it as soon as you draw/reveal it.

As you draw an instant or sorcery with miracle, if it's the first card you've drawn this turn, you can immediately reveal it. When you do so, you may cast it for its miracle cost. It doesn't matter whether it's an instant or sorcery; if you choose to cast it, you do so right away, even if it's at a time (such as your draw step) when you couldn't normally cast it.

Or at least that's how I am interpreting that.

 

[kirblar]

I'm assuming you'd have to reveal the Miracle card immediately after drawing it then once you put the two cards back on the library, you'd be able to cast it.

It's like Delver- if it hits your hand without being revealed you can't cast it for its Miracle cost.