Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes

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I really don't see how that's going to be possible if they actually use the tablet for anything useful.

That's something I find funny.

"With the new controller, you'll be able to play games even if someone is already using the TV for something else!"
"Yeah, but what about the games that makes uses of both screen mandatory?"
"..."
 
That's something I find funny.

"With the new controller, you'll be able to play games even if someone is already using the TV for something else!"
"Yeah, but what about the games that makes uses of both screen mandatory?"
"..."

You buy the Mini Wii U Pad accessory. Now the Wii U Pad acts like the tele and you use the mini pad to view the secondary screen. It's just like playing on the real thing but on a smaller scale.
 
That's the all purpose of the thing so it's possible, but like saif just above, it's up to the developers. You code what you want, you just have the interface and button layout, you do whatever you want. It just like the 3D slider on the 3DS. I think developers can very well use it for something entierely unrelated to the 3D effect. Vice-versa, look at the d-pad functionnality in SM3DLand: pop-in or pop-out 3D. Programmers can switch off the 3D by pushing start or A if they want!

Now, for the Upad: A 3 way switch can be the norm:
- Mode normal: Action (1) on TV, action/menus (2) on Upad;
- Switch mode A: Action (1) on Upad, action/menus (2) on TV;
- Switch mode B: Action (1) on background on Upad; action/menus (2) in a popup on the Upad (just like the one player mode in Four Swords Adventures); Dashboard or nothing on TV.
Push the switch again and you're back to "mode normal".

It will all come down to developers, if Nintendo haven't mandated games have to run in every way possible you won't see it happen. Let alone a switch. Mandating such a thing would just add extra hurdles to development, and games that really make use of the tablet beyond just interface might not be suited to single screen play at all. One would hope you will see such games.

The dual display versus playing with the television off is one of a number of conflicting points about the Wii U. It's not easily solved, nor is it best to expect it to be solved.

It will probably be handled by yet another symbol added to the back of the box for the games that support it.
 
I am not sure if this is the case with Nintendo platforms.

I mean, let's say RE: Revelation; it sure sold poorly, I guess life time will not be 500K? However, I also think the budget (at least excluding marketing) has been low too

What RE:Revelations are you looking at?

Game has been selling pretty well in Japan and the US.
 
You buy the Mini Wii U Pad accessory. Now the Wii U Pad acts like the tele and you use the mini pad to view the secondary screen.
What about the 3DS touch screen instead?

Nintendo could easily build another CPP-like accessory for the WiiU pad to "comfortably" hold the 3DS underneath. :-P
 
My Wii U prediction:
GameCube all over again. Last place. I will buy it and love it, just like with the GameCube, but most people won't. :(
 
My Wii U prediction:
GameCube all over again. Last place. I will buy it and love it, just like with the GameCube, but most people won't. :(

can't say i disagree with u. but this time the truth of the matter is that your gonna have developers that can't be so picky and biased. sure they're already showing there distaste but lets just face it, they're hurting man. EA, THQ, who's next? it just so happens that EA and THQ have confirmed support, so anybody else that thinks they're too good for Nintendo is gonna have to get off of their high horse and realize that they could get some nice cash flow from this machine.
 
I figure for ports, they'll just make the controller-only versions just like playing the games on the other consoles with a single display. It shouldn't be all that complicated. But like I said, it's already been announced that the developers will have complete freedom with what they choose to do with the screen.

My Wii U prediction:
GameCube all over again. Last place. I will buy it and love it, just like with the GameCube, but most people won't. :(
Last place isn't going to mean a whole lot if the competition is paying out the nose for each unit sold and third parties are doing likewise for each game made on those platforms.
 
Why not handle it like it is handled now? Pause menu, alternative control options, split screen etc.

Because ideally a dual-screen set up will allow for games that just wouldn't work on one display.

Mandating that games have to work in every combination possible would actually work against getting the best out of the system, and developers thinking outside the box. Expect it for some, but not all. I also think Nintendo won't put such requirements on 3rd parties, they've generally let them pick and choose what features of a system to support.

It will be more confusing for consumers, but this feature IS confusing. You have 2 totally different ideas at odds with each other, it's one of the weaknesses of the whole Wii U concept along with the one controller issue if that remains a problem.
 
My Wii U prediction:
GameCube all over again. Last place. I will buy it and love it, just like with the GameCube, but most people won't. :(

My prediction, it will sell better than the Wii.
It will have a longer life than the Wii.
It will have more memorable games than any Nintendo console before it.
 
ROFL that's some funny evil shit right there mate
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wait until GAL GUN WiiU is announced :3

:P


It's gonna be GLORIOUS.

A new Nintendo home console E3 happens about twice per decade. These times here on NeoGAF are to be cherished. You will see the best of and the worst of people around here during such a time; it'll make for fantastic drama!

My thoughts also man, last time I got this hyped was 2005 that E3 was sic. I bought the DVD's from IGN they were doing for coverage due to not been able to go to E3.

I'm so looking forward to this years and the next good times ahead folks it's going be fun regardless of what happens :)
 
My Wii U prediction:
GameCube all over again. Last place. I will buy it and love it, just like with the GameCube, but most people won't. :(

The Wii U is riding on Wii's success unlike the GC which was meant to fix a lot of the problems of N64. Devs & publishers had already selected PS2 last gen which is why both GC & Xbox had about the same level of success. At the start of this gen, no one would have expected Wii to be the hit is was and everyone thought PS3 would completely dominate again. There's really no telling, but GC was my favorite 3D console so far. Great little system. I doubt Nintendo repeats that though. It was Yamauchi's last console launch with him as CEO. Since Iwata took over, there has been less focus on graphics and more on gameplay. We'll see what happens though.
 
At least in this article he gives a proper explanation instead of just a few lines on Twitter.

He still has to fix his perception as a bitter hater who posts unprofessional, trolling, childish tweets. He did that to himself, and as we all know about perceptions, he and he alone is solely responsible for changing it.

I think my favorite part about all this is that it started with a potential customer asking him about a product that he would like to purchase, and instead of putting aside past differences and swallowing a little pride and finding a way to serve a potential market , he tells said customer to go hang and every thing that the customer might like is shit. That's horrible business practice.
 
He still has to fix his perception as a bitter hater who does unprofessional, trolling, childish tweets. He did that to himself, and as we all know about perceptions, he and he alone is solely responsible for changing it.

I think my favorite part about all this is that it started with a potential customer asking him about a product that he would like to purchase, and instead of putting aside past differences and swallowing a little pride and finding a way to serve a potential market , he tells said customer to go hang and every thing that the customer might like is shit. That's horrible business practice.

Wait.
Literally?
 
This guy is complaining that his game didn't sold... But I didn't saw this game anywhere. No reviews, no talk... I'm not even sure it was released worldwide. Also... it was just a port.
 
It's gonna be GLORIOUS.

A new Nintendo home console E3 happens about twice per decade. These times here on NeoGAF are to be cherished. You will see the best of and the worst of people around here during such a time; it'll make for fantastic drama!

Hell, the Wii was more like the Gamecube's Move than a thoroughly new console, at least from a hardware tech standpoint. Nintendo is about to premiere their first completely new console in over a decade.
 
Wait.
Literally?

Well I imagine that's what the whole "Wii is not a console, but a toy" thing is. And instead of the customer getting either a "yes" or a non-committal "we'll think about it," he gets an anti-Nintendo rant instead. Imagine buying a hamburger and the cashier, or better yet the Manager comes out and gives a big rant about Honda cars, one of which you happen to drive. What are you to think about that?

It may not be what he meant, but that's how it was probably perceived by the recipient and onlookers.
 
Why not handle it like it is handled now? Pause menu, alternative control options, split screen etc.

that will be how it's handled, because like split screen and alternate control schemes it won't be a mandated feature for the game to work while the TV is off. i think a lot of games will work that way (due to third party lazyness!) but i suspect a lot won't.
 
He still has to fix his perception as a bitter hater who posts unprofessional, trolling, childish tweets. He did that to himself, and as we all know about perceptions, he and he alone is solely responsible for changing it.

I think my favorite part about all this is that it started with a potential customer asking him about a product that he would like to purchase, and instead of putting aside past differences and swallowing a little pride and finding a way to serve a potential market , he tells said customer to go hang and every thing that the customer might like is shit. That's horrible business practice.
That respond he gave in that article does kinda fix that in my opinion. It is a proper respond to how he feels about the situation and not just a few one liners that looks trollish. He even says that he wish that Nintendo has great success with the WiiU.


Well I imagine that's what the whole "Wii is not a console, but a toy" thing is. And instead of the customer getting either a "yes" or a non-committal "we'll think about it," he gets an anti-Nintendo rant instead. Imagine buying a hamburger and the cashier, or better yet the Manager comes out and gives a big rant about Honda cars, one of which you happen to drive. What are you to think about that?

It may not be what he meant, but that's how it was probably perceived by the recipient and onlookers.
From what i understand, he wasnt asked anything about which product that was good to buy etc. I believe this is the full transcript that lead up to the "Wii is a toy" comment:

"@TrentOster Android version or xbox version would be awesome."

"@Glenn_Swift I can't ever see us doing an Xbox version. The controller isn't a good fit. Have to change too much"

"@TrentOster Since you're doing an iPad version maybe you will consider a Wii U after it comes out? you know touchscreen stuff."

"@Starscream8 We don't do Nintendo development. Our previous experience with Nintendo was enough to ensure there will not be another."

"@TrentOster @Starscream8 What was the result of that experience with Nintendo?"

"@Maxrunner @starscream8 The result is a belief that Nintendo isn't a good platform for developers. The Wii is a toy, not a console"


EDIT: And for what its worth:

"The reason I say the Wii is a toy is the exceptionally low attach rate. You buy a Wii, Wii sports and never buy another game. Bad for devs"

"@TrentOster It is a bad idea to insult gamers who enjoy the Wii. Upset people will not buy BGEE. Release a Wii-U version to say sorry."

"@CrimsonTearTy Not an insult to Wii users, but a 140 char comment on the sales of Wii vs software compared to other consoles."
 
My prediction, it will sell better than the Wii.
It will have a longer life than the Wii.
It will have more memorable games than any Nintendo console before it.

I say it will be a potential SNES. It won't be as successful as it's predecessor that changed the game industry, but it has room for improvement.
 
The first trailer for wiiu came to my mind with all the applications it showed.
And it made me think that this will be a thing they will push strongly. This is helped by the rumour of a lot of ram for the os.
I see the potential for an extremly fluid os, like for example, going to the eshop not being a clear cut from the main menu like on 3ds, some high multi tasks, with a cam conversation here while browsing internet, the shop or whatever applications we don't know we want...

And this fluidity talk lead me to some game ideas for mario kart. Thinking of the 3ds one, trying all the different customs kart to make the better time trials is pretty long, even more when you have not touch the game for months. So I thought about a training zone containing all the different type of road and grass, sand, ice etc... and give you the possibility to quickly change character, wheels and karts, and full of stats, smash bros style.
And this zone could be like the city from kirby air ride, so multiplayer potential too.
 
This guy is complaining that his game didn't sold... But I didn't saw this game anywhere. No reviews, no talk... I'm not even sure it was released worldwide. Also... it was just a port.

He was complaining about some legit issues, but what he seems to be missing is the fact that Nintendo is using the Wii U to change those things he doesn't like, and the things some consumers have been complaining about. Don't like having motion controls as your primary control input, fine here is a normal controller that happens to have a screen in the middle as a bonus option, don't like the way our online works, fine we will offer full releases on the Nintendo Network for the Wii U, don't like that fact that we can't do HD, fine here is a HD Nintendo console.

Swearing off a future platform because you don't like another past platform doesn't seem smart, look at Apple and Microsoft they have created enemies in a lot of different fields in the past, but now companies need them. You swear off Nintendo to soon and you could end up regretting it if all the sudden other companies bailout of the biz.
 
I don't have the link to the survey handy, but most people actually play their portable games at home. Not trying to shit on your point or anything, but just sayin'.
Streetpass. Coins > even if you don't game while you're on your road, you tend to take your 3DS to streetpass stuff & earn coins you'll spend in the Mii RPG or the Swapnote app', or to buy eggs in KIU, etc. This is the real 3DS killer feature.

By ze way, take it how you want!: there's a guy on the Gameblog board claiming he knows for sure the Wii U will be released (in France I guess) on November 28. There's no price yet. He worked for Micromania, the bigest dedicated game retailer in France. He said the news comes from a company meeting > http://www.gameblog.fr/forum/topic/99012-le-topic-de-la-wii-u/page__view__findpost__p__2010217
 
EDIT: And for what its worth:

"The reason I say the Wii is a toy is the exceptionally low attach rate. You buy a Wii, Wii sports and never buy another game. Bad for devs"

"@TrentOster It is a bad idea to insult gamers who enjoy the Wii. Upset people will not buy BGEE. Release a Wii-U version to say sorry."

"@CrimsonTearTy Not an insult to Wii users, but a 140 char comment on the sales of Wii vs software compared to other consoles."

That's not helping his perception of being uninformed. The Wii does not have an "exceptionally low" attach rate. That's a forum myth that isn't even close to being the case.

If he wanted to have a nuanced opinion, Twitter isn't the place for it. If his tweets came across as dickish and trollish, then he either meant it that way or allowed people to think that way. And you know what they say about first impressions.
 
For Virtual Console titles, it's more than likely that they'll be playable on the controller. There's no reason to believe that won't be the case.

For Wii U titles, Nintendo said last E3 that it's going to be up to developers how they use the controller. They're not going to make demands on how it should be used - if at all. For their 1st/2nd party content, I gotta think they'll let you play with the controller alone. 3rd parties can do whatever works for them.

I think the fact it hasn't been confirmed is reason enough to presume it's not the case until it's been confirmed.
 
I am not sure if this is the case with Nintendo platforms.

I mean, let's say RE: Revelation; it sure sold poorly, I guess life time will not be 500K? However, I also think the budget (at least excluding marketing) has been low too

Revelations has sold 550,000 as of a week ago.
 
Streetpass. Coins > even if you don't game while you're on your road, you tend to take your 3DS to streetpass stuff & earn coins you'll spend in the Mii RPG or the Swapnote app', or to buy eggs in KIU, etc. This is the real 3DS killer feature.

By ze way, take it how you want!: there's a guy on the Gameblog board claiming he knows for sure the Wii U will be released (in France I guess) on November 28. There's no price yet. He worked for Micromania, the bigest dedicated game retailer in France. He said the news comes from a company meeting > http://www.gameblog.fr/forum/topic/99012-le-topic-de-la-wii-u/page__view__findpost__p__2010217

Yeah i've seen it too, it's plausible for the second-half november launch, Micromania has veryyyyyyyyy close ties with Nintendo, with representatives visiting their biggest shops regularly, meetings between the two companies, etc.

Now, if it's true, they have heard it from Nintendo France people, who sometimes aren't aware (or just informed vaguely) of the japanese headquarters decisions, so still grain of salt & all.
 
November is so late.
For a console that will begin with multi-platform games from this gen, you guess they better release early to follow the games schedule for the end of the year and make some pacing against unleashing everything later and seeing the victims.
 
That's not helping his perception of being uninformed. The Wii does not have an "exceptionally low" attach rate. That's a forum myth that isn't even close to being the case.

If he wanted to have a nuanced opinion, Twitter isn't the place for it. If his tweets came across as dickish and trollish, then he either meant it that way or allowed people to think that way. And you know what they say about first impressions.
Someone should send him a Twitter with source that tells what the Wii attach ratio is.

It is always possible to change the impression if a 2nd impression is possible/being given :)
 
Paul Gale has an update on the situation with the Wii U/3DS "crowd pleaser" title he hinted at long ago.
1. There were actually two Wii U/3DS games he had heard of; one was Assassin's Creed III, although he hasn't been able to confirm a 3DS version ever since the Wii U version was announced.
2.The other one is more important and he has validated its existence but cannot reveal it due to an NDA. No hint but "good times are coming."
 
Nintendo's Fiscal Year Investors Meeting.

They'll tell us how they did and why we should be excited for the future. Some small tidbits and such.

Fuck. I'm totally hyped.

Paul Gale has an update on the situation with the Wii U/3DS "crowd pleaser" title he hinted at long ago.
1. There were actually two Wii U/3DS games he had heard of; one was Assassin's Creed III, although he hasn't been able to confirm a 3DS version ever since the Wii U version was announced.
2.The other one is more important and he has validated its existence but cannot reveal it due to an NDA. No hint but "good times are coming."

Can Nintendo make the next Super Marios compatible? My crowd would be pleased.

Keep those expectations in check: we'll get a lot of "wait for E3" comments as well.
That's all the wrongness of this thread in just one line. I would, if I could...
 
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