Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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You're right. This is better
That's a bit more like it. In fact I think using different colours for logos would do a lot to differentiate the U from the Wii and avoid confusion.
Still though, I personally think that it's unnecessary for Nintendo to keep the Wii name at all as I think they could retain the casual audience simply by releasing Wii branded software (Sports, Fit etc.) while giving the system a unique name that no 'hardcore' gamers would see as casual or kiddy.
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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That's where the next "Wii Sports" comes in that hooks those sucke.....people all over again.
Chase Mii, etc... all in one game.
This is where you are wrong, if Wii U didn't get AC3, didn't get the next CoD, or didn't get the next Rockstar blockbuster after release of it's console (GTAV) then third party support has already failed on the Wii U, getting exclusives is amazing and great and we need those too, but not getting GTAV, AC3, CoDx, ect... that makes those games exclusive for other platforms, it swings users to not get the Wii U or to buy another console for their gaming time, not everyone has unlimited funds for games, so even if they buy Wii U and x720 but only buy Nintendo or exclusive games for their Wii U, third parties become justified in not bringing multiplatform titles to the console, and I miss out on great multiplatform games, until I spring for x720 and start buying my games there... A repeat of the Wii generation... no thank you.
Sis Focaccia
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If Wii U doesn't get the ultimate version of GTA V, Nintendo messed up. It's such a big chance to prove the Wii U's worth - 3rd party support, better graphics, stuff on the tab.
On the other hand, if they do get the ultimate version, they've struck gold. If the tablet improves the game, the console will intrigue a lot of gamers
On the other hand, if they do get the ultimate version, they've struck gold. If the tablet improves the game, the console will intrigue a lot of gamers
says u
I'm about to catch up on the thread, saw that...
And that's what makes Nintendo very different imo. (And I love them for that!!)
In each of their console generations they had a very good games library (1st, 2nd + sometimes 3rd party)
Wii didn't get multiplatforms, that is the wall it hit. It's not really about the graphics, it's about the games, sure there are some percentage of the gaming community that wants the best graphics and won't play a game that looks dated, but that percentage isn't as wide spread as you think.
The reason I bought 360 was because of 3 games at the time. Mass Effect (which had just came out), Lost Odyssey, and GTAIV.
Wii never got developers on its side, and Wii U will miss that same train that every console from Nintendo has missed since N64, if they can't change the gamers image of Wii U, by bringing over games that are core franchises to third parties, you are basically saying Rockstar is not an important third party, and you are simply wrong about this.
Yeah, Iwata or Miyamoto has even said as much, something like "We know how important these games are, even if they don't make a lot of money, they are still important to make." -paraphased from an old interview maybe 2 or 3 years back?
Nothing has been said about GTA V either way, but it was rumored to be on Wii U by several sites last year, including 01net, so you're making a bold assumption with that one. Hell, that hasn't been officially announced for anything technically.
There are definitely NDAs in place, so at least wait until E3 before making assumptions.
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... so what's new in the world of Nintendo? Any news and/or rumors? I have been away from the Internet.
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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I could just imagine Iwata in his mesmerizing polite tone saying to these main third party developers:
So, how about GTA Wii U???
Sounds good, huh, has a nice ring to it???
GTA guy: It's certainly an interesting console that we will give some thought to...
Iwata: Hai
~closes door so they are alone~
So, how about GTA Wii U???
Sounds good, huh, has a nice ring to it???
GTA guy: It's certainly an interesting console that we will give some thought to...
Iwata: Hai
~closes door so they are alone~
Yes, I'm actually disappointed by just how solid the wall of information is, the other day Satterfield actually made me realize we won't get new information unless Nintendo reveals it, and that is either coming in the next 40hrs or @ E3, and no matter what they give us in 40hrs, we will be right back here with nothing to talk about next week.
Imagine a Wii U commercial opening with beautiful on screen game-play of BlOps2/popularfps. Then the camera moves off screen and shows the player with the Upad. He then pauses his game, looks down at his controller, swipes the touchscreen and instantly goes from his game to the OS. It shows notifications on the side, maybe he got an e-mail to check real quick or needs to tweet, maybe he just got a friend request on facebook. He fires up his browser to check neogaf/gamefaqs or the eshop if they want to show all the features. Then just swipes back to CoD.
After another few seconds of gorgeous gameplay a small red unobtrusive dot shows up on the top right of his television, so he looks down and there is a flashing name of his red on the top right corner of his touchscreen and an ignore button on the bottom. He hits the name and says "Hey, what's up?" while he still frantically plays his single player.
Cut to the other person who is playing an entirely different game on his Wii U and he asks "want to play online?" First guy says "let's do it, anyone else on?" Cuts back to the second guy who swipes his touch screen then one touches to bring up a friend list and selects another friend whom a voice request his sent to. She is watching a movie but gets the same red dot, and then a 'Join Party for BlOps2' request pops up on her touchscreen.
It then shows a few seconds of multiplayer cutting back and forth between the players.
For extra cheese they could all start calling out silly things to their opponents like 'We own you' 'We got you' etc. Then queen comes on, "we will, we will, rock" and a splash logo screen for the New Wii U.
It's early. I'm still tired.
After another few seconds of gorgeous gameplay a small red unobtrusive dot shows up on the top right of his television, so he looks down and there is a flashing name of his red on the top right corner of his touchscreen and an ignore button on the bottom. He hits the name and says "Hey, what's up?" while he still frantically plays his single player.
Cut to the other person who is playing an entirely different game on his Wii U and he asks "want to play online?" First guy says "let's do it, anyone else on?" Cuts back to the second guy who swipes his touch screen then one touches to bring up a friend list and selects another friend whom a voice request his sent to. She is watching a movie but gets the same red dot, and then a 'Join Party for BlOps2' request pops up on her touchscreen.
It then shows a few seconds of multiplayer cutting back and forth between the players.
For extra cheese they could all start calling out silly things to their opponents like 'We own you' 'We got you' etc. Then queen comes on, "we will, we will, rock" and a splash logo screen for the New Wii U.
It's early. I'm still tired.
After E3, I'll judge the facts we'll see. Up to now, it seems that Wii U could get even less support than Wii. I mean: it's quite depressing that a console that can easily handle PS360 multiplatform titles risks to be totally ignored by the most important games foreseen for Q4 12 and Q1 13.
I agree: there could be NDAs covering Wii U announcments (and AC3 could be just the usual Ubisoft trolling-style behaviour), but up to now the risk is very high, and I blame Nintendo for an entire year of absolute silence that is just ruining and damaging Wii U image and perception.
If they were ready to let third parties announce multiplatform games with PS360 footages at 2011 E3, I think that could have been a wiser decision to let them announce the Wii U versions of their game all 2012 long.
So up to now we would be sure about RE6 coming to Wii U, Crysis 3 coming to Wii U and so on.
Instead, they presumibly are hiding everything but you know? I'm scared that under the veil there will be just the usual (great, I admit) Nintendo support.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Seems to me it already has more out of the gate with that Batman game, Assassin's Creed and Aliens.
Yup.
But the silence from Nintendo has people doubting as always. And with good reason.
Not to me. Wii had PS2 versions of different multiplatform games, in its first months. It had also a RE4 enanched version.
If Nintendo want to change their peception they need to assure all the major third parties brands from the beginning.
Having all the PS360 titles would not be amazing, because everybody will already have another console (PS3 or 360) to play those games, but would be the minimum they should guarantee, in my opinion.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I couldn't see E3 without a big representation of third party titles.
It's weird, the first party games may overshadow that part but once Iwata or Reggie inevitably mention "third partys' importance", it's going to be intriguing what games we don't know of yet and I assume there will be a few big ones.
Their last game was Mayhem for PS360 or?
1998 Nintendo bought a minority interest in them and 2002 LFP bought it back.
If they want to do something for Wii U?? Why not!!
lol that's not what i'm saying.
Oh I expect some third party titles, but I'll keep my expectations in check.
Actually, I don't know what I can expect from other third party Wii U titles.
I expect a Wii-like situation where publishers will each cherry-pick a few titles that they can port quickly and cheaply to take advantage of the desperate launch market. Then they'll give up after a couple years, complaining that Nintendo's strong first party software shuts out any chance of competition.
to put it another way:
This is what I'm saying.
This is what you're saying.
This is basically what I expect, at least from western publishers / studios. I will add that during the first 1.5 or 2 years they will say that they would like to support the system but the ecosystem is not adequate (with PS3 and X360 still going strong). Or somethign along the lines. Then they will move on.
I expect some relevant support from japanese publishers on the other hand.
yeah u lost me.
See you in 40 years
I hope E3 will be a completely different story because so far news about third party games has been pretty horrible. I'm hoping third parties are just trying to play dumb to avoid leaking out news about games.
Suda 51 not getting dev kits. Tomb Raider not coming to Wii U. Crysis 3 not coming to Wii U. Project Ogre not coming to Wii U. MDK2/Baldur Gates developer will never develop for Nintendo again. Capcom saying Resident Evil 6 isn't currently on Wii U (although this could still change). Then you have Team Ninja saying how Dead or Alive Dimensions sold terrible on 3DS, so they aren't sure if they would put out another Dead or Alive on a Nintendo system. Ken Levine saying he has no plans to make Bioshock Infinite for Wii U. No Epic Mickey on Wii U.
It doesn't make any sense. How could Crytek have a developers kit and not bring Crysis 3 on Wii U? How could Capcom not bring Resident Evil 6 on Wii U after how well the game sold on Nintendo consoles (GameCube, Wii) and handhelds like 3DS.
There must be something missing in all of this.
Could Gamecube/Wii have done major significant damage to Nintendo's relationship with third parties beyond repair?
Suda 51 not getting dev kits. Tomb Raider not coming to Wii U. Crysis 3 not coming to Wii U. Project Ogre not coming to Wii U. MDK2/Baldur Gates developer will never develop for Nintendo again. Capcom saying Resident Evil 6 isn't currently on Wii U (although this could still change). Then you have Team Ninja saying how Dead or Alive Dimensions sold terrible on 3DS, so they aren't sure if they would put out another Dead or Alive on a Nintendo system. Ken Levine saying he has no plans to make Bioshock Infinite for Wii U. No Epic Mickey on Wii U.
It doesn't make any sense. How could Crytek have a developers kit and not bring Crysis 3 on Wii U? How could Capcom not bring Resident Evil 6 on Wii U after how well the game sold on Nintendo consoles (GameCube, Wii) and handhelds like 3DS.
There must be something missing in all of this.
Could Gamecube/Wii have done major significant damage to Nintendo's relationship with third parties beyond repair?
shouldn't that tell u that the games could possibly still come? why does nobody understand these developers are under a gag order? even if these games don't come they can't talk
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IMO
Best Case Scenario
- Pikmin 3's AWESOME
- Retro Studios Mega Title (I.E - Metroid Prime 4)
- Monolith Monolithic Title (I.E - Xenoblade 2)
+ Three of
- GTAV
- Bioshock: Infinite
- Call of Duty: Black Op's 2
- Resident Evil 6
- Assassin's Creed 3
- (Other Mega Title)
Worst Case Scenario
- Pikmin 3 sucks
- Retro are working on something stupid
- Monolith are working on something stupid.
+ One of
- GTAV
- Bioshock: Infinite
- Call of Duty: Black Op's 2
- Resident Evil 6
- Assassin's Creed 3
- (Other Mega Title)
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What Do You Want to See?
Also, which other Nintendo studios are potentially working on a U title?
IMO
Best Case Scenario
- Pikmin 3's AWESOME
- Retro Studios Mega Title (I.E - Metroid Prime 4)
- Monolith Monolithic Title (I.E - Xenoblade 2)
+ Three of
- GTAV
- Bioshock: Infinite
- Call of Duty: Black Op's 2
- Resident Evil 6
- Assassin's Creed 3
- (Other Mega Title)
Worst Case Scenario
- Pikmin 3 sucks
- Retro are working on something stupid
- Monolith are working on something stupid.
+ One of
- GTAV
- Bioshock: Infinite
- Call of Duty: Black Op's 2
- Resident Evil 6
- Assassin's Creed 3
- (Other Mega Title)
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What Do You Want to See?
Also, which other Nintendo studios are potentially working on a U title?
I understand the situation with NDA's.
But lets say E3 comes, and most of these games aren't announced for Wii U.
Who is to the blame? Third parties for not supporting Nintendo or Nintendo for not trying to do a better job at repairing third party relationships?
Outside of those first party games, I think Good Feel, Monolith, EAD Tokyo, maybe Intelligent systems, and some more 2nd party devs would be working on Wii U.
you guys for stressing over it lol
What's with the 'or'? The answer is both. Both should be chastised to hell and back for not delivering something on the system, if only for purely financial reasons.
I've said this before: If 3rd parties miss out on another Nintendo system, regardless of the reason, they're idiots. None can afford to miss out on another potential market leader. And that goes the same for Nintendo missing out on helping to get 3rd parties onto it.
DragonSworne
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Publishers who have ass backward logic when it comes to selling games. It's no wonder why so many went bankrupt this generation.
Developers don't have much say in which games goes on which platforms if they don't publish their own games.
Good question. I don't know.
No one is blameless in this situation. Nintendo for their past actions. Third parties for their releasing decisions on these platforms. Nintendo gamers for their skepticism of third parties. And I don't know how to begin to reverse all of this.
I am skeptical of substantial western third-party support. But I won't rule anything out until E3. The big question mark in my mind is Japanese support. They had placed their bets with the PS3 last time around, and now I'm wondering if they're going to hedge their bets a bit more evenly. Maybe they'll even favor Nintendo a bit more heavily?
Aside from all of the obvious headliner-type drama that this event brings, this year's E3 is going to be a Moment-of-Truth for Nintendo and western third parties and eastern third parties. I think we'll already know how this generation of support will play-out by the time this year's E3 is over.
The good thing is, Nintendo will know also, and hopefully they'll be able to plan their projects for the next few years accordingly.
The bolded. Don't you have to actually ask for and maybe buy (not sure how this is handled when the system is in development) a dev kit? Did Suda expect to just be given one because he's Suda? Also what did Team Ninja expect? The game itself had quality issues and there were a number of fighters already on the system. Capcom beat them to table with Street Fighter and satisfied people. Also how well does Dead or Alive even sell? Did they think they didn't have to actually advertise or try to sell people on their game when it's never appeared on a Nintendo system before?
DragonSworne
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Didn't it take Sony a long time to get equal third party support with the PS3?
Hmm, even if its hard to believe I can imagine that there are 200 games that sold more than 1 million copies on Wii (worldwide).
Even an maybe not really up to date list on wikipedia shows 51 games that sold more than 1 million, maybe will dig that later...
test_account
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No. There were some expections, but not the rule. It was also some cases where the PS3 version got released a while after the Xbox 360 version.
It was clearified later on that it was both DS and Wii combined
Yes and no. The PS3 got many 3rd party games even when it was unclear whether it deserved them; ie. they didn't sell especially well early on but it continued to get support because porting from the 360 was easy enough. Often this meant getting a relatively inferior version. Nowadays, the system sells games decently well so the quality has improved.
Nintendo likely won't get that same sort of benefit for various reasons.
I believe he was referencing the number of games that sold over 1 million on Nintendo platforms this last generation. That isn't just the Wii.
GhostTrick
Banned
3rd parties are always complaining against Nintendo for shitty reasons.
Team Ninja complains about Dead or Alive Dimensions sales ? I know it was an excellent game and deserved better sales... but seriously, the TV Spot was so shitty. Also didn't Nintendo published the game in Europe ?
Maybe they're disappointed but Nintendo isn't the problem. They're having really bad sales with Ninja Gaiden 3 and Sigma Plus and they're not on a Nintendo plateform.
For other 3rd parties they're just idiot. Always using the excuse that 3rd party games sales bad on Nintendo plateforms... but they always release shovelware or bad ports !!
For exemple let's compare FIFA on 3DS and VITA.
Fifa on 3DS had no online play and used an old engine while vita version had online play and a new engine.
Team Ninja complains about Dead or Alive Dimensions sales ? I know it was an excellent game and deserved better sales... but seriously, the TV Spot was so shitty. Also didn't Nintendo published the game in Europe ?
Maybe they're disappointed but Nintendo isn't the problem. They're having really bad sales with Ninja Gaiden 3 and Sigma Plus and they're not on a Nintendo plateform.
For other 3rd parties they're just idiot. Always using the excuse that 3rd party games sales bad on Nintendo plateforms... but they always release shovelware or bad ports !!
For exemple let's compare FIFA on 3DS and VITA.
Fifa on 3DS had no online play and used an old engine while vita version had online play and a new engine.
If the bigger 3rd parties didn't want to put their games on the Wii U this would provide an opening for many smaller 3rd parties. I would hope Nintendo would see the situation and then try to work out something with smaller companies. Perhaps a they'll publish some games at retail and others get on the Wii U digital store. Free advertising in ads (apart of ads that advertise the system and other big games) and on the Wii U OS. Help them make part of their game or use their assets for something on the 3DS to spread their risk around? There are positives that could result from low support form the big names if Nintendo is willing make the extra effort with NoA and NoE. Especially now with Nintendo having a significantly better online presence (see 3DS eShop for example).
Source for these?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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To tell the truth I cant see the Wii U not get RE6 makes 0 sense at all..It is a damn shame though we have to wait all the way till E3 though..see if these devs were lying or not.
JohnTinker
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I think what a lot of us are missing in the launch title predictions is the possibility for launch first party downloadable games. I would imagine some of those devs are working on those too
test_account
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From what i've seen, Team Ninja never blamed Nintendo for the bad sales of Dead or Alive Dimensions. They (or Hayashi to be specific) just said that they felt that they made a good game, and they hoped to see higher sales.
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