http://www.destructoid.com/-fat-chance-of-crysis-3-coming-to-the-wii-u-226413.phtml did anyone see this? it's around 5:40 in that video... I don't know EA ports to everything so this guy might be wrong, the game is still a year out too, so they might have to port if the Wii U is doing well... I just don't really understand the hesitation especially since Cryengine 3 is already running on Wii U: http://wiiudaily.com/2011/06/crytek-cryengine-3-running-on-wii-u/
Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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since the news is 10hrs old, and 20+ pages have happened in this forum, it's better safe than sorry
My honest opinion? Nothing Nintendo does hardware-wise will attract substantial third-party support. Nothing. There will always be an excuse or two. "Nintendo gamers don't buy third-party games" and "We {third parties} can't compete with Nintendo titles" will be two convenient excuses that will always be available, regardless of hardware power level, romantic overtures to third parties, etc.
It is my firm belief that we will not see significant third-party support (especially western) "until the landscape of the home console market fundamentally changes." (Interpret that as you will - I certainly have my own translation.) It is also my firm belief that the landscape will indeed change within the next ten years.
In the meantime, I've grown fed-up with third parties to the point where I hope Nintendo makes a go of things with just its own entries and with second party partnerships. I hope to see them boost their own first- and second-party output, while also entering into development agreements with certain strategically close third-parties. They've already taken steps in this direction, going on a recent hiring spree and building new development facilities; this is very encouraging.
As I've hinted to in the past, I'd love to see them essentially create their own safe ecosystem where they can ride-out this transitional period while providing better support than ever. The rest of the video gaming world, meanwhile, will continue to pursue crazily unsustainable business practices, and I would care not one whit when they self-immolate, one at a time. Surviving the coming years is of primary importance. If they can survive while others fail to adapt to changing financial realities, they will emerge on the other side stronger than they've been in a while.
It is my firm belief that we will not see significant third-party support (especially western) "until the landscape of the home console market fundamentally changes." (Interpret that as you will - I certainly have my own translation.) It is also my firm belief that the landscape will indeed change within the next ten years.
In the meantime, I've grown fed-up with third parties to the point where I hope Nintendo makes a go of things with just its own entries and with second party partnerships. I hope to see them boost their own first- and second-party output, while also entering into development agreements with certain strategically close third-parties. They've already taken steps in this direction, going on a recent hiring spree and building new development facilities; this is very encouraging.
As I've hinted to in the past, I'd love to see them essentially create their own safe ecosystem where they can ride-out this transitional period while providing better support than ever. The rest of the video gaming world, meanwhile, will continue to pursue crazily unsustainable business practices, and I would care not one whit when they self-immolate, one at a time. Surviving the coming years is of primary importance. If they can survive while others fail to adapt to changing financial realities, they will emerge on the other side stronger than they've been in a while.
My hope is that the risk of financial collapse forces devs to examine their current stance on nintendo hardware. It's not like PS3 software sold like gangbusters this gen, but it got support. Yes, there is some bias and animosity against nintendo, likely because they're such a strong software competitor, but I don't think it'd take much to match PS3 software sales. Hopefully devs will realize that.
Metroid Hunter
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Why would soccer mom buy another DS? She doesn't know it's different.
My hunch is that they'll give finally Nintendo a chance only after a huge chunk of the industry has already bitten the big one. :/
Nintendo should release its own realistic football game, on the Wii u and market it against fifa. Stating every flaw it has. Yearly updates? Screw that just download from graphic packs, update your database and stadium updates for free every year instead. Start you team from scratch, upgrade your team slowly over time, add new elements to the stadium one you have enough funds. Every expense will actually reflect your teams budget. More seats in the stadium? More money. Etc.
Just to show EA what it really means when there games don't sell.
Just to show EA what it really means when there games don't sell.
Besides, all it's gonna take is for ONE of them to have an unbridled success and then every excuse goes out the window. The problem is that publishers have all been waiting for someone else to make that happen. This is why Ubisoft is there... good or bad, they want to be the ones to prove everyone else is full of shit. And they did with the Wii, to an extent... just not with core content. Just Dance becoming a WORLDWIDE franchise is a big deal and worth taking notice to, but it's a casual game, so it's never counted (which is arguably understandable, as casual content often runs parallel to core content and is not competitive with it)
The problems we're seeing with developers and their preconceived notions about Nintendo is one of the reasons I've railed against hiring gaming enthusiasts into the industry. Some of the reasons why the first video games were so awesome were because video games barely existed at the time, and the designers were pulled from WIDELY VARIOUS different disciplines.
Shigeru Miyamoto, the man who many people claim "understands" games at a fundamental level, was professionally trained as an INDUSTRIAL DESIGNER, who happened to join Nintendo because he didn't have another job lined up and was considering a manga artistry career, so therefore settled on making artwork for arcade cabinets.
My point is that they walked into the industry baggage-free, and you don't see that anymore, which is why creativity is hitting a slide and why we have developers who want to be "personalities" instead of content creators, flapping their mouths and letting all manner of self-indulgent nonsense dribble out.
Smiles and Cries
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they will never do that... It will always be Mario Strikers and that one cartoony football manager on 3DS
InfiniDragon
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I think I (and most people here) know exactly what "chunk of the industry" you mean here. XD
Smiles and Cries
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that chunk may have rabid enough fans to save it for a long time until they learn how to run their business better
InfiniDragon
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That chunk is also willing to sacrifice all other aspects of their business because this part of it is the only one making them any money right now. XD
Well, not necessarily. There are more than a few entities that could end-up going *poof*.
Activision is going to be in a world of hurt when the CoD well runs dry. Too bad they have blizzard to keep them afloat.
That is why they need GTA and they need it to sell well on WII U, they also need Retro to make something that hardcore gamers have to respect, it's certainly possible, but the only way to change perspective of the hardcore is through software... Hardware doesn't matter much as long as it can reach a parity level.
Just look at PS2 and the fans at the time still thinking it was more powerful than Gamecube.
Just look at PS2 and the fans at the time still thinking it was more powerful than Gamecube.
ColdBlooder
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Wow i just read 22 NEW pages... Looks like were coming closer to E3 
About the 512MB for the OS.
There was a rumor way back that Nintendo tried to optimize the hardware to be able to use two DRCs with the console.
Maybe every DRC runs a seperate instance of the whole OS. Would explain the huge abount of RAM.
Benefits would be obvious. While you could videochat with someone on the DRC, your girlfriend could play "Pullblox U".
They may even try to leave the OS on the second DRC fully functional while another user plays a full fledged game like Zelda U/Mario U.
Your girlfriend shops for shoes on the second DRC while you just got the iron boots in Zelda U
About the 512MB for the OS.
There was a rumor way back that Nintendo tried to optimize the hardware to be able to use two DRCs with the console.
Maybe every DRC runs a seperate instance of the whole OS. Would explain the huge abount of RAM.
Benefits would be obvious. While you could videochat with someone on the DRC, your girlfriend could play "Pullblox U".
They may even try to leave the OS on the second DRC fully functional while another user plays a full fledged game like Zelda U/Mario U.
Your girlfriend shops for shoes on the second DRC while you just got the iron boots in Zelda U
DaSorcerer7
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anyone?
IlSignorCornetto
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tomorrow,but i don't know what time the meeting is schduled XD
financial report is tomorrow, actual investors meeting and Q&A is on thursday night
IlSignorCornetto
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oh really?so we have to wait until thursday?
test_account
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That list also includes 1st party games. The 3rd party games on that list is about 20, which means that there should be ~180 other 3rd party Wii games that have sold a million units each. I guess that it is possible if there are a lot of 500k plus/minus sellers in the US, and that Europe and the rest of the world makes up for the other 500k. But i would like to see this list myself.
As of January 2011 the Wii and DS both sold a combined total of over 150 third party million titles. This false idea that 3rd party titles do not sell on the DS and Wii is factually inaccurate.
Source is here
the day i accept GTA as key factor in support for a Nintendo console is the day i quit gaming all together
yes, and what's even more absymal is that this is an assumption
test_account
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Ah, i see now that it was talk about Nintendo platforms, not only Wii. I think i though this because of the talk about WiiU, and made the relation to its predecessor only. Then it definitely makes more sense. Thanks
Why? GTA is one of the biggest 3rd party franchises out there. Getting support for this game can definitely be important. No idea if it is a key factor however, but it could be of importance at least.
Sis Focaccia
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The problem with the logo is that visually, the U feels like an afterthought.
This implies an enhanced version of an existing product, like Game Boy Advance SP, Nintendo DSi, iPhone 4s, Macbook Pro, Beats HD etc...
They'd be better off with something like this:
This implies an enhanced version of an existing product, like Game Boy Advance SP, Nintendo DSi, iPhone 4s, Macbook Pro, Beats HD etc...
They'd be better off with something like this:
Ah, i see now that it was talk about Nintendo platforms, not only Wii. I think i though this because of the talk about WiiU, and made the relation to its predecessor only. Then it definitely makes more sense. Thanks
Another important thing to consider is that for a lot of retail Wii titles hitting the one million titles sold milestone tends to generate super profits but on the other hand that may not be the case for the HD twins.
Ah, i see now that it was talk about Nintendo platforms, not only Wii. I think i though this because of the talk about WiiU, and made the relation to its predecessor only. Then it definitely makes more sense. Thanks
Why? GTA is one of the biggest 3rd party franchises out there. Getting support for this game can definitely be important. No idea if it is a key factor however, but it could be of importance at least.
i agree hands down, but support from it being important, no. especially if it's to win back "the core". i understand Nintendo wants to get that audience back but even if they get that title, it'll still be a tug of war with the other consoles cuz of all the lazy bums that don't want to play with a new controller.
Sounds like those rumors about dual gpus and 6 core cpus attributed to the nextbox and ps4 were actually regarding the WiiU. Can you imagine?
But then again, why would it be out of the realm of impossibility? What if Nintendo went for Power7's six core option, but with the stripped down cores and balanced it with a moderate gpu? Its all about what Nintendo needs to achieve to for 1080p gaming and multiple screen support.
test_account
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That is true. Even if some of these games have a lower price (i remember that i.e Carnival Games had ~half the price in the UK compared to other games), their developement budgets are most likely a lot lower than many of the HD games.
Yeah, i dont think that GTA is a "make it or break it" kinda game in these days regarding 3rd party support. I think that it was more important from GTA 3 when it was exclusive (timed) to one platform.
i concur
We can safely assume most of the franchises that are already multiplatform, will be coming to Wii U, such as:
AC3(confirmed) Ubisoft
CoD(came to wii) Activision
EA (they port everything)
Darksiders(confirmed) THQ
ect.
Rockstar's biggest game needs to be there, GTA while you might not like it or whatever, is actually a pioneer franchise, Rockstar makes amazing games like Red Dead Redemption, so having them not be there with GTA will help that image that Nintendo hasn't changed, and third parties will ignore it.
There has never been a console GTA on Nintendo, they had manhunt 2 so Nintendo obviously has no problem with violence and blood, if they lose out on GTA it could be a red flag to developers, sort of a sign that allows them to ignore the Wii U.
I personally loved GTA 4, I didn't beat it, but I played 100hrs easy thanks to multiplayer, even did pseudo LANs hooking up multiple 360s to the internet and playing the game side by side with friends.
Yes GTA is a huge 3rd party, even now, 4+ years after GTA4, it is still a hugely anticipated game, and it simply needs to be on Wii U.
They'd be better off with something like this:
No thanks.... *yikes*
Nope.
Sis Focaccia
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Well, I guess it's a fool's errand to tweak something that sucks. I just meant that the logo should carry some weight instead of just being a Wii with a + at the end
The problem is that while it might have enough RAM to split off whatever...you still need CPU and GPU cycles for it too (barring something new like the DRC having limited true standalone functionality).Wow i just read 22 NEW pages... Looks like were coming closer to E3
About the 512MB for the OS.
There was a rumor way back that Nintendo tried to optimize the hardware to be able to use two DRCs with the console.
Maybe every DRC runs a seperate instance of the whole OS. Would explain the huge abount of RAM.
Benefits would be obvious. While you could videochat with someone on the DRC, your girlfriend could play "Pullblox U".
They may even try to leave the OS on the second DRC fully functional while another user plays a full fledged game like Zelda U/Mario U.
Your girlfriend shops for shoes on the second DRC while you just got the iron boots in Zelda U
You don't want to associate the Wii with the fine students of THE U?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I didn't hate it, the "U" was a bit too big though.
You're on the right track, not sure where the track is going but valiant effort.
games that will get people to support the Wii U w/o sticking to the other consoles is what the Wii U NEEDS. this is one of those titles that is the opposite of what i just said. u know as well as many others. we just don't want to except it. just look at GTA: Chinatown. how many PSP owners immediately got a DS because of this title? or even better, how many GTA fans got this title? i'm sure quite a few diehards got this besides being DS owners already. but to me, it was almost like, GTA has to be a title on a home console in order for people to pay attention. besides it's origins on PC, Sony was the one that took it's "console virginity" so to speak, and there's just no freakin turning back for people. to sum it up, a fair weather 3rd party title like this isn't a "need" or necessity really. yes if Nintendo is going to get the mainstream back (i am not saying core or hardcore i hate those terms) then yes they do need blockbusters, but not ones that have an attach rate to other console(s) like GTA. again i say this because it will do more harm then hurt. it'll be another GC like situation (which hopefully won't happen with the Wii U as a whole) where a better version or just as good port of a game is on the GC and people get it for the PS2 or Xbox instead (most cases PS2)
This is the one colour that will convince me to upgrade my blue model.
Also the more I look at the "U" logo, the more it resembles a suitcase without the handle.
Ninja Moomin
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I have been riding my new motorcycle...
... so what's new in the world of Nintendo? Any news and/or rumors? I have been away from the Internet.
I want to have a lot of sex with that bike.
It's amazing.
Congrats.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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There's a reason for that, there's something inside that is dangerous and only one guy can carry it.
Sis Focaccia
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It is obviously an assuption.
Based on what we know up to now.
Up to now, it seems that all the major big titles from third parties coming around the end of 12 and early 13, like Crysis 3, Resident Evil 6, GTA V are not coming to Wii U.
And the problem is: all those titles could easily be managed by Wii U hw, so I can only imagine how it will be supported when more powerful devices will hit the market...
Why are there no good hit-and-run gifs?
Am I doing it wrong?
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