Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes

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methodman said:
I think it can be a great move for the franchise. Has a high probability of being a better game then Other M.
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I'm just scared that Epic might try to make Metroid into some straight up testosterone filled shooter like Gears of War.

But if Epic is willing to take the Metroid mythology seriously, I think they could do amazing things.
 
Antioch said:
Epic making Metroid would make more sense than Team Ninja did, they are big Metroid fans, they did make Shadow Complex after all. I would be ok with this if it were to happen, which it most probably wont, but it's not impossible.
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You are thinking about Chair Entertainment, one single development team at Epic. A team that is currently busy making the next Infinity Blade game for smartphones.
 
I've added everyone to my friends list. I'm off now. See you later for the inevitable Nintendoomed explosion.
 
Even though I think the Epic + Metroid rumor is bogus, I think Metroid will be in the hands of a brand new developer.

I don't see Team Ninja getting another stab at the game.
I don't see Retro Studios going back to Metroid.
I don't see any studio within Nintendo working on it.

Some big third party is going to work on Metroid. Someone that would shock us.
 
EatChildren said:
Nintendo adopting middleware isn't out of the question. Especially for someone like Retro. For an english speaking US based developer with staff experienced in modern hardware, something like UE3 would be an idea fit for getting a game quickly up and running without needing to code a new engine from scratch. Japan, not so much, but Retro being based in the US makes them ideal.

Not that I believe any kind of partnership like this, but yeah.
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Yeah, Nintendo licensing UE3 (4, optimistically?) and/or CE3 for a few first-party titles is well within the realm of possibility. Epic itself developing a Wii U-exclusive title for Nintendo, not quite so much... actually, isn't Epic's policy not to work on IP they don't own? Would rule this out if I'm recalling correctly.
 
Dreamwriter said:
You are thinking about Chair Entertainment, one single development team at Epic. A team that is currently busy making the next Infinity Blade game for smartphones.
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Ah, wasn't aware of that, though I do think Cliffy B has expressed his enthusiasm for Metroid (specifically Super Metroid) in the past. But doesn't really matter, I doubt they're making one.
 
Oddduck said:
Even though I think the Epic + Metroid rumor is bogus, I think Metroid will be in the hands of a brand new developer.

I don't see Team Ninja getting another stab at the game.
I don't see Retro Studios going back to Metroid.
I don't see any studio within Nintendo working on it.

Some big third party is going to work on Metroid. Someone that would shock us.
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Thinking about it, a lot of gamers trust Epic games, and if they were making a Metroid, especially with the online modes they are well known for, it might impel them to flock to the game. I kind of hope the rumor is true (know it's false though, lol)
 
Lupin the Wolf said:
So has anyone posted the triage of Wii U rumors that the banned Nintendo site posted recently? They come from Nintendo Town, a French site.

DUBIOUS RUMOR 1: Nintendo + Epic Games = Wii U Metroid
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That would be an actual megaton if it were true. Obviously, it's very difficult to believe, though. I'm sticking by my groundless prediction that Retro's rebooting the entire series.
 
A brown and grey Metroid!
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Christberg said:
I think the reasonable thing to expect from Nintendo is that the power isn't really a top consideration. They ask themselves questions like:

What's our target audience(s)?
What software and hardware features will be compelling to that audience?
What's a reasonable cost curve for the hardware over its life cycle to ensure we present a good value proposition?

Power isn't necessarily the first consideration here. It's just a feature of the hardware the same way a camera or a touch screen is.

If you can guess what their target market and strategy is and get a rough idea of the price they intend to launch at, you can take a decent stab at what the power is like.

Probably a good idea to keep your expectations in check, but I think it's a safe bet it'll beat any current competitor handily. Even at 300 bucks with a small profit.

Oh, and iOS support? No way, Apple's their competitor and from what I can tell a large part of the Wii U strategy is a big middle finger pointed squarely in their direction.
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I agree with this. That said, it's like I said before the gap between Wii U and PS4/Xbox 3 will be smaller than current high end PCs and PS360. And now we see Crytek trying to cram DX11 "graphics" into DX9 hardware. I think Nintendo (as we've said in the past) is just trying to be in the ballpark of the other two. I think they will have done a good job of that.

Oddduck said:
Yeah this is one of those situations where I'm 99.9 percent sure Iwata will be giving out news lol.

If I remember correctly, there's a Q&A session where investors get to ask Iwata questions? Well that Q&A session will be a doozy. :P
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Iwata is going to get some doozies thrown at him I bet. We saw the smartphone demands just from one quarter of poor results if I remember correctly.
 
nckillthegrimace said:
That would be an actual megaton if it were true. Obviously, it's very difficult to believe, though. I'm sticking by my groundless prediction that Retro's rebooting the entire series.
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If Retro isn't developing either a new IP or something like Mach Rider that might as well be a new IP, I'll be pretty disappointed in Nintendo.
 
EloquentM said:
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don't believe such heresy
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Oh Im not believeing,not a fat chance I am lol..Just thinking of the possibilities..It does seem reasonable If Nintendo is really trying to get some "hardcore" gamers especially ones from 360 they buy anything epic..anyways It will bring in a whole new pool of gamers If the online is done right which epic has no problem with and If single player is done right which they have no problem with as long as it can keep the metroidness about it,It could be really good..and about the gray metroid I lol'd but really Gears 3 and Bulletstorm both were full of color and stunning to see so to say that would be kinda unfair.
 
Father_Brain said:
If Retro isn't developing either a new IP or something like Mach Rider that might as well be a new IP, I'll be pretty disappointed in Nintendo.
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Was that quote from someone at Retro about making the thing that the fans want them to make a real thing or was it just bullshit? If that was a real quote, then I don't think you're getting a new IP. Fans want the same thing but shinier.

Zelda or Metroid.
 
EatChildren said:
Nintendo adopting middleware isn't out of the question. Especially for someone like Retro. For an english speaking US based developer with staff experienced in modern hardware, something like UE3 would be an idea fit for getting a game quickly up and running without needing to code a new engine from scratch. Japan, not so much, but Retro being based in the US makes them ideal.

Not that I believe any kind of partnership like this, but yeah.
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That seems a little odd to me though. With the backing they have and their technical background, suddenly switching to a 3rd party engine instead of iterating on what they themselves can build sounds like something that would cause issues in their development process. Perhaps effecting how well their art translates into in game assets?

As you mentioned it would be quicker, but it just seems to me that they would have plenty of time to work on something like this. Although, perhaps they have licensed out a 3rd party engined and used their time customize it to fit their needs.
 
bgassassin said:
Iwata is going to get some doozies thrown at him I bet. We saw the smartphone demands just from one quarter of poor results if I remember correctly.
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This is what has me so convinced that we're going to see something from the conference.

I wonder if Iwata has different contingenies for differing levels of investor fussiness. If things get really hairy, perhaps we'll hear more than originally planned?

No matter, I kinda feel bad for him right now. Today's going to be rough, most likely.
 
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Oh Im not believeing,not a fat chance I am lol..Just thinking of the possibilities..It does seem reasonable If Nintendo is really trying to get some "hardcore" gamers especially ones from 360 they buy anything epic..anyways It will bring in a whole new pool of gamers If the online is done right which epic has no problem with and If single player is done right which they have no problem with as long as it can keep the metroidness about it,It could be really good..and about the gray metroid I lol'd but really Gears 3 and Bulletstorm both were full of color and stunning to see so to say that would be kinda unfair.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a variant of ue3 was used but I doubt it'll be any sort of collaboration project either.
 
bgassassin said:
I agree with this. That said, it's like I said before the gap between Wii U and PS4/Xbox 3 will be smaller than current high end PCs and PS360. And now we see Crytek trying to cram DX11 "graphics" into DX9 hardware. I think Nintendo (as we've said in the past) is just trying to be in the ballpark of the other two. I think they will have done a good job of that.
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With the exception of high end stuff like tessellation, Crytek should be ignored when they mouth off about trying to squeeze API features into a separate API. They're sneaky about that kind of shit. Much of their "DX10 exclusive!" features in Crysis could be forced in DX9, and some of their "DX11 exclusive!" features in Crysis 2 were features from DX9 Crysis. I don't for a second doubt many of Crysis 2's DX11 'features' are possible under a DX9 API. In fact, many of them have been done before. It's just Crytek being Crytek.

Instro said:
That seems a little odd to me though. With the backing they have and their technical background, suddenly switching to a 3rd party engine instead of iterating on what they themselves can build sounds like something that would cause issues in their development process. Perhaps effecting how well their art translates into in game assets?

As you mentioned it would be quicker, but it just seems to me that they would have plenty of time to work on something like this. Although, perhaps they have licensed out a 3rd party engined and used their time customize it to fit their needs.
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Well yeah, building an engine from the ground up for specific hardware is, in the long run, a much better idea. You get better looking better optimised games.

But it's not totally out of the question. If, hypothetically, Nintendo were very eager to get a new Retro game out asap, and were concerned that tailoring an existing engine, or rebuilding a new one, to better fit the Wii U's hardware would take too much time, it would be economical and at no real loss to license middleware. Again because their US based, where Retro's staff would likely be familiar with UE3's ins and outs, and if not would have access to a robust library of support documents.

I don't think this will happen though. It would be more like Nintendo to encourage in-house engine development, for security, optimisation and less reliance on outside sources.
 
Anth0ny said:
Dragon Quest X is dropping on August 2nd for Wii.

Is it safe to say it'll be there at launch for Wii U?
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depends how much of a graphical upgrade it is

also that game is gonna be a fascinating flop. I predict decently high initial sales, but after a little while, a lack of subs, and then down it goes.
 
GCX said:
I feel like someone has thrown the smartphone question at Iwata in like four Q&A sessions already.
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This is probably the case.

Father_Brain said:
If Retro isn't developing either a new IP or something like Mach Rider that might as well be a new IP, I'll be pretty disappointed in Nintendo.
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nckillthegrimace said:
Was that quote from someone at Retro about making the thing that the fans want them to make a real thing or was it just bullshit? If that was a real quote, then I don't think you're getting a new IP. Fans want the same thing but shinier.

Zelda or Metroid.
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I feel comfortable in eliminating those two from contention. As I think about it, when thinking about the Retro quote, it could also be said that something fans want them to make is a game that is graphically impressive and not particularly a certain franchise. I don't think we've looked at it from that angle. A new IP could allow them to achieve something like that since a fan will already have certain expectations with existing IPs.

HylianTom said:
This is what has me so convinced that we're going to see something from the conference.

I wonder if Iwata has different contingenies for differing levels of investor fussiness. If things get really hairy, perhaps we'll hear more than originally planned?

No matter, I kinda feel bad for him right now. Today's going to be rough, most likely.
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That's a good question. If the financials were positive I think everyone would agree we would get next to nothing if that. And extra "perturbedness" from investors could force Iwata's hand a little more.

EatChildren said:
With the exception of high end stuff like tessellation, Crytek should be ignored when they mouth off about trying to squeeze API features into a separate API. They're sneaky about that kind of shit. Much of their "DX10 exclusive!" features in Crysis could be forced in DX9, and some of their "DX11 exclusive!" features in Crysis 2 were features from DX9 Crysis. I don't for a second doubt many of Crysis 2's DX11 'features' are possible under a DX9 API. In fact, many of them have been done before. It's just Crytek being Crytek.
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Actually developer "trickery" is one of the things I take into consideration when talking about next gen gaps.
 
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And incase anyone wants my fc from this post I'll copy and paste what I copy and pasted to everyone I pmed:

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Anywayz: Gotta go to sleep in a few minutes. I usually don't miss these things but it seems oike its still a few hours off (or possibly tomorrow night? Lol noone knows.) I hope to wake up to greatness.

Btw: that Wii U logo pic with the U taking up alit of the space was pretty cool.

I'm actually up to date in this thread! (I've been skipping pages, but still...) it won't last...

Edit: Wut? august 2nd for DQX? (Deffiantly Japan but still...) what roxk have I been living under..
Well good night yall.
 
Anth0ny said:
I was under the assumption that they were both the same games, the Wii U version just looks prettier. Am I wrong?
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You're right, but I remember the initial announcement had the Wii U version coming later. Certainly, the only reason for that could just be the Wii U itself coming out later than when SE planned to release DQX, but what do I know?
 
HylianTom said:
Here's what I want:
- the console supported 90% by Nintendo/second parties/collaborations with third parties on special projects
- better eastern third-party support for the remaining 10%
- Nsider Forum Channel
- instead of cutting-off major news outlets, Nintendo giving more interviews and breaking stories to community-run websites
- a means through which the community can vote on which projects they'd like to kickstart for the system next

Basically, I want an entire comprehensive Nintendo ecosystem that's pretty independant of the rest of the industry. Games, a community gathering spot, community news sites, etc etc. Some will see it as isolationism, but I'd say it's more a matter of self-sufficiency.
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Thats what i like to see actually.

But they are not leaving anyone out who dosent join them by launch time.

More like "This is our console. You wanan develop for it, then your more than welcome. We give you all the tools you need and advertise it online. If you dont want to, then we stop bothering you."

Wich is also the reason why i said (Even though its not gonna happen) that Nintendo should buy THQ and Sega. There are some good IPs to gain there. Its like Isolating themselves but, with the help of 2nd party devs, develop games for as many genres as possible. Nintendo in its own little world would be able to withstand any kind of "Videogame industry crash" if its going to happen in 1 or 2 generations later.

Sure, they may not be market leader that way but they will make profit and keep the investors happy.
 
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