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Sorry, i missed these quotes earlier.

One of the complaints about the Wii U presentation last E3 is that it doesn't offer a consistent philosophy. They showed the "guy playing Mario, family wants to watch TV, game action moves to DRC" thing first off, then they started talking about getting multiple views at once with two screens. The concepts cannot always work together. We have no idea how Nintendo will handle this. Sometimes, as in the examples of "inventory on DRC", you can manage it by making the game act old-style when running only on the DRC. But in meaningful examples (as in Psychic Prey or Sword/Shield Combat or even Base Jumper Action Sim) where the DRC takes on a completely separate role and two simultaneous screens are present, you can't just shift to a single screen on a whim.

Yeah, that is true. For some games it wont work, but at last year's E3 i understood it that this (the streaming of games) would a key feature for the WiiU. I guess we will know more this E3 =)

What does DRC stands for by the way? I know that it is about the controller, but dont know what it stands for.

There could be perks for buying the physical copy, such as free DLC or collectable things like the Mario Galaxy coin.

If anything, it will create a more competitive market, which is always good.

That would be a solution indeed. I think those perks would make it less attractive to buy DD though But DD can be very convenient though, so i guess it comes up to what one prefer.

 

[HylianTom]

Actually it was that exact post which was in the back of my head when I was typing my reply.

The thing is this: Nintendo tried the power/keeping-up-with-the-Jonses route with the GameCube, and "hardcore" gamers didn't buy it. So they were kinda forced into trying something new, and when they did this, the same goddamn whiny bunch of children now has the nerve to claim that Nintendo abandoned them? And now they're gonna whine like little babies in article after article until kingdom come? Excuse me? Really?

 

[PogiJones]

New Dragon Quest x trailer mock into oblivion if old.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJJgIQkWFIE Game is looking great can't wait to see the wii-u version.

Honestly, the music kills it for me. I've never liked DQ's theme (it's so generic and boring), and the synthesized instruments make it sound even worse.

Also, I don't think the anime style transitions onto 3D models very well. It needs to be more cell-shaded than this game is in order to work.

 

[Redford]

The others have made their share of sins/mistakes/misjudgements, and you don't see nearly the same level of utter contempt thrown in their direction.

If this is a "Nintendo didn't go as powerful as we wanted, so we have the right to fling shit at them for the rest of time" argument, I'm not buying it, and I don't know what else to tell you.

The Wii U isn't out yet. We can levy this charge against some of the dissatisfied after it has been out for a year.

 

[Rösti]

I am more concerned about taking a shit and still playing WiiU...yeaaaaaaaa

In case you haven't got a certain lavatory seat custom made for your rump to prevent particles from flatulence reaching objects in your restroom, shouldn't this if playing frequently there infer a rather unpleasant odor on the Wii U Remote?

I've never brought a video game console as a companion when doing my business, so I have no knowledge of long term effects of something like this. Just wondering.

 

[GameplayWhore]

This applies mostly to cloudy days as it is not recommended that you expose the console, its controllers or its games to direct sunlight or temperatures exceeding 50°C. Same goes for the Nintendo 3DS, though that's for extended periods of time. Of course you could shield the console in a shelf or something, but that might get internally heated very quickly under the right conditions, and also wouldn't provide sufficient ventilation..

I have the perfect property for a Wii U. Tiny house with windows all over the place (possible enough to get line of sight distance from the living room to the front, back, and one side of the yard!), generous tree-shade. My side ability of being able to hoop while doing pretty much anything else gives it a high chance that I'll be hanging out in the back, gaming while spinning.

Yeah, that is true. For some games it wont work, but at last year's E3 i understood it that this (the streaming of games) would a key feature for the WiiU. I guess we will know more this E3 =)

It is entirely possible that there will be a "roaming play" icon on the game box for games that can be played entirely on the DRC. I'd be totally fine having some games that can do this and some that cannot.

What does DRC stands for by the way? I know that it is about the controller, but dont know what it stands for.

I beat your question by a page!

"Display Remote Controller". It's the name for the Wii U's control pad. ← edit: the name is likely subject to change, but it's the name being used for the devkits since the initial reveal

In case you haven't got a certain lavatory seat custom made for your rump to prevent particles from flatulence reaching objects in your restroom, shouldn't this if playing frequently there infer a rather unpleasant odor on the Wii U Remote?.

We could blame it on Reggie.

 

[eternalb]

I, for one, appreciate the game ideas thrown-up thus far, with my favorite one by far being the game were you have one screen showing your view while the second screen shows the view of the predator that's hunting you. I think that's the kind of game that could make me shit my pants; I could see it moving lots of systems if a studio were to make it their big holiday headliner title.

And I'll continue to harp on wanting a RISK game for the U. The idea of playing some all-nighter games with some of you guys sounds fantastic (although I could see my other half getting pissed if I were to blow 10 hours on a RISK game on a Saturday night, haha..)

I'll make a point of coming-up with a game idea this week. Be on the lookout.. it can take some time for me to get started, but once I get a concept and start fleshing it out.. hehe.. fun times, indeed!

(but know that your game ideas aren't overlooked over here in my crazy corner..)

I know IGN has had there articles on cool Wii U ideas, but I saw this about a Link to the Past for Wii U and really thought this is the kind of thing that's going to make it stand out.

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-721-1334615088-what-if-a-link-to-the-past-2-was-on-wii-u.html

 

[HylianTom]

The Wii U isn't out yet. We can levy this charge after it has been out for a year.

Well, the coverage I bitch about is ongoing, and has been happening for a while. This isn't anything new.

 

[Apophis2036]

Oh really? Neat, neat. Now tell us more about how you know powerful the Wii U is.

I don't know how powerful it is but i can have an opinion based on something said by the developer of a pretty big publisher that had at last years E3 said they would be supporting Wii U big time.

If Crysis 3 was out at Xmas i could understand but why hasn't there been a version of CryEngine 3 up and running since Crytek got their Wii U dev kits ?.

If they have Crysis 1 & 2 running on 6 year old PS360 hardware but don't have it running on Wii U hardware then imo that points to the Wii U being not much more powerful than the PS360.

If it was a significant leap in power then Crysis 3 would have been up and running on Wii U devkits months ago and would be ready for launch.

At the end of the day i really don't care, i would be playing GTA V, Resi 6 and Crysis 3 on my 360 anyway, my Wii U will be for exclusive games only.

It's just a shame that Nintendo already seem to have broken their promise of big third party core games availalbe on Wii U.

I would say GTA V, BLOPS 2, Resi 6, Bioshock and Crysis 3 are the 5 biggest multiplatform games in the next 9 months, lets see how many of them appear on Wii U.

And if were getting treated like this at the end of this gen, just imagine what it's going to be like when the PS4 / 720 arrive and they have the 'it's not powerful enough' excuse not to make multi plats for Wii U.

 

[Father_Brain]

The others have made their share of sins/mistakes/misjudgements, and you don't see nearly the same level of utter contempt thrown in their direction.

If this is a "Nintendo didn't go as powerful as we wanted, so we have the right to fling shit at them for the rest of time" argument, I'm not buying it, and I don't know what else to tell you.

I don't agree at all with the bolded. Simply put, Nintendo has spent most of the last 10-15 years doing a remarkably convincing impersonation of a company that couldn't care less what enthusiast gamers (a category which includes many developers and gaming journalists) think of them or want from them.

Wii's specs certainly contributed to that, but that was just one item - it's also: N64's cartridge media; GC's tiny discs; GC's unconventional controller; GC's purple lunchbox design; Wii's missing buttons; numerous clamored-for first-party GBA, DS, and Wii games going unlocalized (mostly by NOA, but also NOE); generally weak third-party relations, particularly with Western developers; Nintendo's secrecy ensuring that they don't have any kind of community manager to engage the enthusiast press and their Western fans directly; the seeming obliteration of any remaining shreds of NOA/NOE autonomy during the Wii/DS era, with multiple Western-developed original IP for Wii being cancelled; and last but not least, a long, long series of completely unforced errors with respect to online functionality and DD, which would deserve its own list.

If anything, I'd say that most of Microsoft and Sony's biggest mistakes have resulted from pursuing the core market too aggressively.

 

[Christine]

In case you haven't got a certain lavatory seat custom made for your rump to prevent particles from flatulence reaching objects in your restroom, shouldn't this if playing frequently there infer a rather unpleasant odor on the Wii U Remote?

I've never brought a video game console as a companion when doing my business, so I have no knowledge of long term effects of something like this. Just wondering.

Gameboy had some problems with it, but Nintendo was able to adjust the composition of the plastics they were using. Very few people are aware that this was one of the real reasons for the introduction of the Play It Loud! series.

 

[Redford]

Well, the coverage I bitch about is ongoing, and has been for a while,

Well obviously some of it is more tabloid-style than others.

But I think what Father_Brain is saying is that for those who would be persuaded to come back into Nintendo's fold but are hestitatant, it's not fair to say they are irrational for feeling burned or skeptical about the future, based on the past.

Talk is cheap. I fully trust Nintendo knows what they're doing, but I'm simply commenting on how they can't throw down their plans on the table and expect that to be enough for some people. Several people in this thread refute the doubters by throwing the plans and initiatives in their faces and saying "there! Not good enough for you, though, is it?", which is premature. When Wii U releases, and if it delivers as promised, then that will be appropriate.

Nintendo are the underdog, again. Which isn't a bad thing, imo. They do best when people doubt them.

 

[Shurayuki]

Gameboy had some problems with it, but Nintendo was able to adjust the composition of the plastics they were using. Very few people are aware that this was one of the real reasons for the introduction of the Play It Loud! series.

I'm not going to ask what the thought process behind Project Rub and Touch Generations where then.
The cameras are there to monitor what players do on the throne? southpark.gif

 

[test_account]

It is entirely possible that there will be a "roaming play" icon on the game box for games that can be played entirely on the DRC. I'd be totally fine having some games that can do this and some that cannot.

That sounds plausible indeed.

I beat your question by a page!

Hehe, i must have missed that.

Thanks

 

[thestopsign]

Sooo, when is this investors meeting?

 

[Shurayuki]

Nintendo are the underdog, again. Which isn't a bad thing, imo. They do best when people doubt them.

What? To whom. No they're not, quite the contrary?!

 

[Skiesofwonder]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EDT (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

 

[Redford]

What? To whom. No they're not, quite the contrary?!

I meant the console, not the company's standing in the industry financially.

 

[BurntPork]

After hearing the news about Crysis 3 my expectations have been lowered big time regarding the power of the hardware.

if it was in any way a significant jump over PS360 then they could get CryEngine 3 up and running in a few weeks, Crysis 3 is due out in March / April 2013 ...

Expect Wii U Sports / Play / Music / Fit, NSMB and Pikman 3 and a real lack of big third party games like GTA V and Resi 6 at E3, then if we get anything more it will be a great suprise .

You read the Escapist version of the story, didn't you? Either that or you're trying to prove that you can jump to crazier conclusions than I can.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

I am more concerned about taking a shit and still playing WiiU...yeaaaaaaaa

You've got it figured out.

 

[thestopsign]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

OK, thank you.

 

[snesfreak]

Everything's freakin' happening at 8-8:30.
The NFL Draft, Community, investor's meeting.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I don't agree at all with the bolded. Simply put, Nintendo has spent most of the last 10-15 years doing a remarkably convincing impersonation of a company that couldn't care less what enthusiast gamers (a category which includes many developers and gaming journalists) think of them or want from them.

Wii's specs certainly contributed to that, but that was just one item - it's also: N64's cartridge media; GC's tiny discs; GC's unconventional controller; GC's purple lunchbox design; Wii's missing buttons; numerous clamored-for first-party GBA, DS, and Wii games going unlocalized (mostly by NOA, but also NOE); generally weak third-party relations, particularly with Western developers; Nintendo's secrecy ensuring that they don't have any kind of community manager to engage the enthusiast press and their Western fans directly; the seeming obliteration of any remaining shreds of NOA/NOE autonomy during the Wii/DS era, with multiple Western-developed original IP for Wii being cancelled; and last but not least, a long, long series of completely unforced errors with respect to online functionality and DD, which would deserve its own list.

If anything, I'd say that most of Microsoft and Sony's biggest mistakes have resulted from pursuing the core market too aggressively.

I agree with this very much, except for that last part. Sony's BIGGEST mistakes come purely from the way their business is run. I don't think they've pursued anything too agressively.

 

[Azure J]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

Clutch timing. I'm in.

 

[Discomurf]

Hmmm.... I suppose the Android OS integration rumor although unlikely is possible... it could make sense for Nintendo considering the current landscape with Apple.

Check out this Wii U rip off device running Android to get an idea on how it could look:
http://www.wiinintendo.net/2011/12/28/android-tablet-rips-off-wii-u-ios/

*Note: make sure to turn down the video volume unless you want your ears raped

BTW... didn't a random person here say they saw an image of the UPad with IPhone/Android icons on it a couple of days ago?

 

[Coolwhip]

Sooo, when is this investors meeting?

Would be nice if things like this were in the OP so people don't ask 10 times every page.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

Pretty sure that's the most boring twitter feed I've ever read.

Would be nice if things like this were in the OP so people don't ask 10 times every page.

People would still ask 10 times every page. I'm guilty of asking the question myself, and I never bothered to check the OP.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Everything's freakin' happening at 8-8:30.
The NFL Draft, Community, investor's meeting.

I only give a shit about two of those.

 

[Rösti]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

That converts to 09:00 a.m. JST on the 27th of April. Sounds about right, and gives about 4.33 hours of wait if I've done my calculations correctly.

 

[snesfreak]

I only give a shit about two of those.

Community and the investor's meeting?

Spoiler

Since the Failcons have no draft picks.

 

[Sadist]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

So how many hours untill then?

 

[Linkhero1]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

So 5 PM PST? While I'm taking my midterm? Well I'm going off GAF now to study. Hopefully there will be some good news.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Pretty sure that's the most boring twitter feed I've ever read.

lol that dude just randomly appears to translate investors conferences for people, be grateful such an angel exists.

 

[AceBandage]

Hmmm.... I suppose the Android OS integration rumor although unlikely is possible... it could make sense for Nintendo considering the current landscape with Apple.

Check out this Wii U rip off device running Android to get an idea on how it could look:
http://www.wiinintendo.net/2011/12/28/android-tablet-rips-off-wii-u-ios/

*Note: make sure to turn down the video volume unless you want your ears raped

BTW... didn't a random person here say they saw an image of the UPad with IPhone/Android icons on it a couple of days ago?

It's 100% impossible, actually. Nintendo would never have a mass produced OS as it would be too easy to break.

As for the question. Someone said they saw a print out of the controller with icons on it. Nothing more.

 

[Bumhead]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

What time is that in the UK?

For as long as I live, I will never understand international time difference.

 

[BurntPork]

Wait guys. Does Android even run on PPC?

Also, I love eastern time.

 

[Sadist]

What time is that in the UK?

For as long as I live, I will never understand international time difference.

It makes brain explode as well

 

[HylianTom]

I don't agree at all with the bolded. Simply put, Nintendo has spent most of the last 10-15 years doing a remarkably convincing impersonation of a company that couldn't care less what enthusiast gamers (a category which includes many developers and gaming journalists) think of them or want from them.

Wii's specs certainly contributed to that, but that was just one item - it's also: N64's cartridge media; GC's tiny discs; GC's unconventional controller; GC's purple lunchbox design; Wii's missing buttons; numerous clamored-for first-party GBA, DS, and Wii games going unlocalized (mostly by NOA, but also NOE); generally weak third-party relations, particularly with Western developers; Nintendo's secrecy ensuring that they don't have any kind of community manager to engage the enthusiast press and their Western fans directly; the seeming obliteration of any remaining shreds of NOA/NOE autonomy during the Wii/DS era, with multiple Western-developed original IP for Wii being cancelled; and last but not least, a long, long series of completely unforced errors with respect to online functionality and DD, which would deserve its own list.

If anything, I'd say that most of Microsoft and Sony's biggest mistakes have resulted from pursuing the core market too aggressively.

So.. because of these sins, this justifies the relentlessly negative, often unprofessional coverage tone, year after year?

Look,I don't deny that Nintendo has made its share of questionable decisions, and I don't deny that there's ample justification for skepticism, but I don't see these things as justifying such shitty, unprofessional coverage. This appears to be where you and I differ.

And while your "fanboy alarm" may be going-off on me (true?), I have a different alarm going-off when you say you don't agree about the other two making mistakes. Wow.

 

[Apophis2036]

You read the Escapist version of the story, didn't you? Either that or you're trying to prove that you can jump to crazier conclusions than I can.

Don't know tbh .

I read the story about 'fat chance of Crysis 3 on Wii U'.

Crysis 2 is the absolute peak of what the PS360 can do cross platform wise imo.

If they can't get that engine running on Wii U then all hope is gone for next gen multiplatform games imho.

Crysis 3 is a core cross platform game, developed by Crytek who have praised the Wii U hardware and published by EA who commited themselves to Wii U at last years E3, those things at least imo point to the hardware being at max 10 - 20% more powerful than PS360.

The only reason they have it running on PS360 is that they know the hardware like the back of their hand but if Wii U was a significant jump then it should have been easy to get CryEngine 3 up and running on the Devkits and they have had since last June to do so, there really is no excuse.

I hope im wrong ...

 

[AceBandage]

Don't know tbh .

I read the story about 'fat chance of Crysis 3 on Wii U'.

Crysis 2 is the absolute peak of what the PS360 can do cross platform wise imo.

If they can't get that engine running on Wii U then all hope is gone for next gen multiplatform games imho.

Crysis 3 is a core cross platform game, developed by Crytek who have praised the Wii U hardware and published by EA who commited themselves to Wii U at last years E3, those things at least imo point to the hardware being at max 10 - 20% more powerful than PS360.

The only reason they have it running on PS360 is that they know the hardware like the back of their hand but if Wii U was a significant jump then it should have been easy to get CryEngine 3 up and running on the Devkits and they have had since last June to do so, there really is no excuse.

I hope im wrong ...

It has nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with EA. Though I still wouldn't count out Crysis 3 on Wii U.

 

[NeoGohan]

What time is that in the UK?

For as long as I live, I will never understand international time difference.

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/

 

[Agent Unknown]

The thing is this: Nintendo tried the power/keeping-up-with-the-Jonses route with the GameCube, and "hardcore" gamers didn't buy it. So they were kinda forced into trying something new, and when they did this, the same goddamn whiny bunch of children now has the nerve to claim that Nintendo abandoned them? And now they're gonna whine like little babies in article after article until kingdom come? Excuse me? Really?

Nailed it.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Community and the investor's meeting?

Spoiler

Since the Failcons have no draft picks.

:lol, that makes sense actually. But I'll most likely be watching the draft while checking Moblie GAF on my phone. I'm a bigger College Football fan then Pro (though Tennessee sucking lately has changed that a bit) so I love seeing where everyone goes.

I've never watched Community btw, so I don't mean that as any slight towards it. I usually catch TV shows in the later part of their life so I can watch them consecutively without having to wait a whole week for a new episode. Walking Dead is the exception to that.

Edit: Also SnesFreak, glad to see you poking your head back into the gaming side once again.

 

[Father_Brain]

So.. because of these sins, this justifies the relentlessly negative, often unprofessional coverage tone, year after year?

Look,I don't deny that Nintendo has made its share of questionable decisions, and I don't deny that there's ample justification for skepticism, but I don't see these things as justifying such shitty, unprofessional coverage. This appears to be where you and I differ.

I don't agree with the actual tone or wording of, or many of the arguments made by, most of the coverage you're referring to. I do, however, think that Nintendo has done enough to justify the central sentiment behind such coverage, even if I don't personally share it most of the time.

And while your "fanboy alarm" may be going-off on me (true?), I have a different alarm going-off when you say you don't agree about the other two making mistakes. Wow.

They've made plenty of mistakes, but very few have been the type characteristic of a company that isn't concerned with enthusiast gamers' sentiment towards them.

 

[Agent Unknown]

Most gaffes need to get out more often. It's spring outside (in the northern hemisphere), and spring is a nice time to be outside. Let's all go without this thread for a day. Say, tomorrow.

I take plenty of walks, good low impact activity and you feel so refreshed after. But when I see the scenery I start thinking of Mario and Zelda sometimes.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Nintendo are the underdog, again

What? To whom. No they're not, quite the contrary?!

For the wrasslin' fans out there (and just for the general amusement/ignoring of anybody else: Nintendo is the video game industry equivalent to the John Cena character from WWE:

The kids love him, but many adults don't like the direction he's taking the product in, what with the refocusing on fewer tits and less blood. He always puts on an exciting show when it counts, but his variety of attacks is often criticized as being stale and repetitive compared to others in the business, even though every now and then he does bring out a new move which devastates his opponents.

He is always referred to as the "underdog", but he almost always wins with a seeming minimum of effort. When he's being interviewed, he puts on a great smile and tells the audience straight out what his business plan is (generally: "I'm okay with what everybody else does in this industry, but I have my own way of doing things as long as I think it's going to ultimately benefit you, the general audience)", but detractors dismiss it as bullshit not relevant to their particular interests, which often boil down to "we want things like they used to be", a perspective which ignores how things actually used to be.

Right now, a competitor named after a roughly fist-sized, inanimate object* has made a big return to the show. That competitor beat John Cena pretty badly recently, and many are now saying that Cena is on the way out, even though his merchandise sales, while not as high as they were in the past couple years, are selling strong.

Spoiler

The twist is that I like Nintendo and what they do a whole lot, but I am not enamoured with John Cena.

* that'd be "Apple", or "Rock", depending on what we're talking about

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

HEY, LISTEN!!!

Nintendo's Investor Meeting should start around 8:00-8:30 PM EST (TONIGHT).

Live tweets should be here.

ALL OVER MY BODY

 

[Apophis2036]

It has nothing to do with the engine and everything to do with EA. Though I still wouldn't count out Crysis 3 on Wii U.

After what EA said at E3 2011 i would bet on it being the engine tbh, why wouldn't they want perhaps their biggest game of the first half of 2013 out for Wii U ?.

If ever there was a third party game to really show off what the Wii U was capable of then it would have been Crysis 3, improved resolutions, framerate, textures, effects ect.

Nintendo should have pushed for it even if it was just used as a tech demo to encourage more hardcore gamers to buy Wii U.

 

[Bumhead]

Should be in four and twenty minutes, so 1 am in UK ?

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/

Nice one, thanks.

My hype will have to wait until tomorrow morning, unfortunately.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

John Cena analogy is actually kind of apt lol. I respect the dude but he is capable of so much more. His 5 moves of doom are like Nintendo's 5 games of doom.