Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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For those who have seen it during the early screening and during the public ones, did they add anything from that extra late filming they did?
 
If you think about it every show has been an ensemble cast. Balancing power sets and characters with larger than life events.

Buffy - Super soldier

Willow - Sorceress Supreme

Angel - Vampire

Same goes for Angel. Each character is essentially a superhero with special skills that nobody else does as well as they do. In an episode of Buffy they have Willow telepathically linking the Scoobies as they fight vampires much how the X-Men use telepathy.

Whedon's work isn't actually about superheroes, though. His narratives are about how normal people facing mundane circumstances often make heroic choices. He really slaps you in the face with that message in Dr. Horrible. The larger-than-life stuff is used as a metaphor for life in general, and it sounds like his success in The Avengers has to do with the fact that he treats them like people rather than superheroes.
 
I guess I'm going to catch some shit for this but I didn't love the movie. Its a great summer popcorn flick and I suppose thats what it really is but I was hoping for something more really. They have been building up for all these years and with Whedon at the helm... I dunno.. I was kinda let down that it was 90%
actions scenes in NY and a plane
. I think the saving grace for the movie was the Hulk and Robert Downey Jr. I'll give it a four out of five, I was just hoping for a bit more depth and flare sometimes.
 
Dies Iræ;37381844 said:
Whedon's work isn't actually about superheroes, though. His narratives are about how normal people facing mundane circumstances often make heroic choices. He really slaps you in the face with that message in Dr. Horrible. The larger-than-life stuff is used as a metaphor for life in general, and it sounds like his success in The Avengers has to do with the fact that he treats them like people rather than superheroes.

Buffy and Angel were total superheroes. And the people on their teams often had super powers of their own. And he balanced these characters with other more mundane characters on the show. He knows how to treat fantastic fantasy with sobering realism. Thats my whole point. All of his shows are focused on juggling an ensemble cast without letting one fall through the cracks despite their abilities.
 
Sadly the movie two and half hours long with only maybe 30 min of awesome, so we have two hours of asking "Why are they not punching something?"

And by they I mean the Hulk.

And yet that's what made Iron Man so great. How much action was actually in that movie compared to the second one? Which movie was better?

I don't mind a lot of build up if said build up is well done and if it's building up to something amazing which this movie seems to do.
 
Entertaining movie. RDJ of course owns the movie most of moive, but Ruffalo was good too. Hulk was fun the few times he was on screen.
The rest I guess was okay too.
Better bad guys would have been nice though. And a better story of course. Got the feeling that the movie didn't know what to do in the middle part and was just stalling for time. But in a fun way at least.
 
just got back and it was great.

hulk pretty much stole every scene he was in and Tony Stark and Bruce banner are quite good as science nerd friends.

Captain America wasn't god awful either, which is a big ask.

Power level stuff was handled quite well.

Didn't feel stalled or slow paced at all imo.
 
Well I fucking loved it. Cinema was in fits of laughter in numerous
Hulk
moments.

D-Box and the 3D was awesome. I normally go 2D but this was fantastic in 3D.

Who was
the bad guy in the middle of the credits?
I'm not good with characters.
 
I assume it was Thanos. Can't wait to see it for myself soon though.

I will put the answer to that assumption right here
no idea who thanos is, but yes, google images tells me that it was him
 
Got free tickets to it.

3D was awful (not shot in 3D I assume)
Hulk was funny.
Iron Man and "popps" had zero chemistry.
Captain Wimp looked stupid and didn't do anything.
Nick Fury is black lol
The villains were lame, weak etc
Thor was cool with his mjölnir.
Everyone weeped for
the random generic officer dude... really?


Movie was ok for a superhero flick. It really makes it more bearable with multiple central characters.
 
I think he got confused between this and Regular Show

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edit: Wait, how the fuck can you know about OG Nick Fury but have no idea who Pepper Potts is?
 
Saw this an hour ago and it's a great film. Had no complaints fair bit of worthy buildup and boy is it worth it.

I don't see any other film this summer topping certain scenes in this movie, pure gleeful destruction.

Everyone gets their moment to shine and having the people who've seen all the other buildup films get little bits of small backstory from those, like what characters from previous films are doing etc. Lots of smart dialogue between all the actors some genuine emotion from people like Captain America still missing the past and being lost in the future.

And at the end of the first part of the credits the payoff that the inevitable sequel is going to be even better.

Loads of guys shouted out the name as soon as they saw who it was.
 
Got free tickets to it.

3D was awful (not shot in 3D I assume)
Hulk was funny.
Iron Man and "popps" had zero chemistry.
Captain Wimp looked stupid and didn't do anything.
Nick Fury is black lol
The villains were lame, weak etc
Thor was cool with his mjölnir.
Everyone weeped for
the random generic officer dude... really?


Movie was ok for a superhero flick. It really makes it more bearable with multiple central characters.

He's been in every Marvel movie starting with the first Iron Man.. He is far from a random generic officer dude.
 
Got free tickets to it.

Captain Wimp looked stupid and didn't do anything.



Movie was ok for a superhero flick. It really makes it more bearable with multiple central characters.

What? I thought he did plenty and considering his power level there's not really that much else he could've done.
 
Shows you probably weren't really paying much attention then as he was front and centre in all the previous films

I get the impression that Zoukka was not much of a fan or follower of the other movies, which is totally fine. Avengers is like the climax to the several movie buildup....you do need to have an appreciation for what went before. Avengers is very much a film for the fanboys. There's fun to be had for others, but there will be a lot of questions.
 
Yeah there is no way
Iron man would stand a chance in their fight, even with them being somewhat weaker and more equal than their comic counterparts. Thor in his own movie is way more powerful than anything Iron Man ever did in the MCU. I understood why he didn't go all out on Loki though.

Also, come to think of it. In the scene where Loki and Stark are talking why
doesn't Tony get "converted"? I first thought it was because the bracelets was giving him some kind of thin body armor but thats not the case. Was he tapping on his chest piece?

I guess it is because his heart is the arc reactor and that is not human???
 
Is agent coulson supposed to represent the fanboy/audience.
No superpowers but watching the story and involved with background knowledge of everything?
 
Also, come to think of it. In the scene where Loki and Stark are talking why
doesn't Tony get "converted"? I first thought it was because the bracelets was giving him some kind of thin body armor but thats not the case. Was he tapping on his chest piece?

Because Loki stabbed people in the heart to take control of them but Stark has a miniature arc reactor in the way.
 
I'll repeat it: the standout was
fucking Iron Man bouncing his beams on cap's shield as well as Thor and Hulk taking out that worm (when the hulk sticks the piece of metal on his head and thor hammers it down to nail him)

teamworks is what makes you all giddy in this movie

even the first moment with Iron Man and Cap where they go
"-Mr.Stark" "-Captain"

its small shit like that, man. Love you Whedon.
 
Just got back from the cinema, I fuckin loved it! the banter, the funny scenes, the action and that goddamn end reveal made me all giggly like a little girl.

The only real downer was the generic
space men
toward the end.
 
I guess it is because his heart is the arc reactor and that is not human???

Yeah okay, but I mean, he still has a heart. The arc reactor only keeps the shrapnel from reaching it. And you know, powers his multi million dollar suit. (And yes I know it does a bit more than that but thats basically it.)

Also Loki's
final outfit looked fucking ridiculous. That Hannibal Lecter getup I mean.
 
Is agent coulson supposed to represent the fanboy/audience.
No superpowers but watching the story and involved with background knowledge of everything?

Yeah Coulson has been our human link to every film building up to the Avengers all the way back to Ironman 1.

He will be missed :(
 
I'll repeat it: the standout was
fucking Iron Man bouncing his beams on cap's shield as well as Thor and Hulk taking out that worm (when the hulk sticks the piece of metal on his head and thor hammers it down to nail him)

teamworks is what makes you all giddy in this movie

even the first moment with Iron Man and Cap where they go
"-Mr.Stark" "-Captain"

its small shit like that, man. Love you Whedon.

Exactly. The
repulsor bounce
was such an understated bit of the fight but it was SO COOL.
Even fucking Hawkeye got neat shit to do- shooting an arrow behind his back into one of the Chitauri, shooting an arrow at Loki that explodes in his face- they even made the inevitable "shit, I'm out of arrows" bit good.

There's still plenty left over for next film, too- can't say I remember any bits with Iron Man and Thor working together, for example. Then again, they did have their fantastic scuffle in the forest.
 
Seriously the potential of the sequel has got me salivating who do people think they could add to the sequel knowing certain characters are locked in with other studios.
 
If I remember correctly, Ultimate Nick Fury was originally a white guy but got redesigned early on, and was designed to look like Sam Jackson.
 
Character reviews

Hulk A+
Iron Man A+
Black Widow A
Thor C
Captain America B
Hawkeye B
Loki B
Nick Fury B

I think I'd put Captain America on a C as well.

He just looked totally out of his depth when compared to the others, the fight in the forest between Iron Man and Thor he was just a by stander. The final battle the others were out there tearing shit up and he was pretty much stuck on the ground on par with Black Widow. Hope they can really showcase him more in future.
 
planar1280 said:
Character reviews

Hulk A+
Iron Man A+
Black Widow A
Thor C
Captain America B
Hawkeye B
Loki B
Nick Fury B

You forgot Lord Zedd. :P

Seriously the potential of the sequel has got me salivating who do people think they could add to the sequel knowing certain characters are locked in with other studios.

I think Pym is a must, regardless of whether Ant Man happens or not. But the other films they have optioned don't really offer too many opportunities for new Avengers- Doctor Strange is a Defender, so that's a no-go, the Guardians of the Galaxy are a team already, Black Panther is a film I definitely see happening, but before A2? Ehhhh. Ms Marvel is a film I do not see happening, and without one I don't see her being in A2 either. She's kinda tricky to explain, having her origin story be part of A2 would bog it down. (She should be in Cap 2- have her be Agent Danvers for the majority of the film, seeing as Cap will be working with S.H.I.E.L.D., and then give her her powers after the credits or some shit.)

Ideally, I'd add Ms Marvel, Pym and Vision.
 
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