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[Wilbur]

Thought about it, would probably drop my rating to 2.5/4, so pretty good. First half is pretty bad, just so slow. It takes until they're all on the plane to get going. I'd agree with Expendable about the villains,

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I just didn't feel any threat level whatsoever. I know they're all going to survive but there's no moment where I feel any of these aliens are going to be anything other than a nuisance.

Acting was good on the most part though. I haven't seen Thor but I thought Hemsworth was great, is he similar in his own film? I don't think Evans is a strong enough actor for me to invest in Cap, and I abhorred the second half of that film anyway.

For people that like the majority of the films, they'll eat it up. It's a well directed film with a prolonged action sequence I could sit through, unlike Transformers. And if you're looking for a comic book on screen it's certainly very representative of that. The plot's just not very good. Enjoyable enough though.

For reference, I'd say Iron Man was good, this pretty good, Incredible Hulk average, Iron Man 2 and Cap poor.

 

[hamchan]

Thought about it, would probably drop my rating to 2.5/4, so pretty good. First half is pretty bad, just so slow. It takes until they're all on the plane to get going. I'd agree with Expendable about the villains,

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I just didn't feel any threat level whatsoever. I know they're all going to survive but there's no moment where I feel any of these aliens are going to be anything other than a nuisance.

Acting was good on the most part though. I haven't seen Thor but I thought Hemsworth was great, is he similar in his own film? I don't think Evans is a strong enough actor for me to invest in Cap, and I abhorred the second half of that film anyway.

For people that like the majority of the films, they'll eat it up. It's a well directed film with a prolonged action sequence I could sit through, unlike Transformers. And if you're looking for a comic book on screen it's certainly very representative of that. The plot's just not very good. Enjoyable enough though.

For reference, I'd say Iron Man was good, this pretty good, Incredible Hulk average, Iron Man 2 and Cap poor.

Hemsworth is very good as Thor and has some really hilarious lines in his own movie.

 

[Wilbur]

Hemsworth is very good as Thor and has some really hilarious lines in his own movie.

Good to hear. I always meant to watch it because of Elba and just because I'd seen the rest, but never got round to it. He impressed me though, he seems like the perfect Thor.

Hiddlestone was pretty good, although I didnt really buy into his intentions but I assume I'll need to see Thor. Downey Jr just seems to be so grateful for being a massive actor again he puts everything into Stark, just as strong as he was in Iron Man. And Ruffalo's pretty good, Hulk is better.

Also Scarlett Johannson surprised me, Widow is actually pretty good in this. Hawkeye is bland as fuck, how Renner went from Hurt Locker (film was okay, he was great) to being bland supporting characters in action movies confuses me.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Hiddleston is the second best actor in the Marvel universe after RDJ, real talk.

 

[Wilbur]

Hiddleston is the second best actor in the Marvel universe after RDJ, real talk.

I thought he was great in Deep Blue Sea (lol sharks) and perfectly fine an actor in this; just didn't buy into Loki as a character. Also his helmet was fucking stupid.

Thor's armour was cool though. Maybe I just have the hots for Hemsworth

 

[duckroll]

Hiddleston is the second best actor in the Marvel universe after RDJ, real talk.

You're just being taken in by the way he grins.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Hiddleston was awesome as F. Scott Fitzgerald in Midnight in Paris.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I thought he was great in Deep Blue Sea (lol sharks) and perfectly fine an actor in this; just didn't buy into Loki as a character. Also his helmet was fucking stupid.

Thor's armour was cool though. Maybe I just have the hots for Hemsworth

Uh, wrong Deep Blue Sea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1700844/

 

[jett]

Hiddleston rocked Avengers no doubt.

He also looks eerily similar to Fassbender when he smiles.

 

[Wilbur]

Uh, wrong Deep Blue Sea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1700844/

lol sharks

 

[duckroll]

Hiddleston rocked Avengers no doubt.

He also looks eerily similar to Fassbender when he smiles.

That's not a smile. It's a sign of the end days.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

lol sharks

I did enjoy Deep Blue Sea with sharks though. Just stoopid fun.

 

[Wilbur]

I did enjoy Deep Blue Sea with sharks though. Just stoopid fun.

Was awesome, a guilty pleasure. Completely different from other Deep Blue Sea obv.

Also I haven't seen Midnight In Paris yet, need further proof of Hiddlestone

 

[Count Dookkake]

I did enjoy Deep Blue Sea with sharks though. Just stoopid fun.

Excellent b-movie.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

You're just being taken in by the way he grins.

He can invade my realm any day.

need further proof of Hiddlestone

Watch Thor immediately.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Excellent b-movie.

Yeah, I never understood why that movie gets hate from some people. People don't have to like it of course, but it's just a fun movie about killer sharks attacking people.

 

[Expendable.]

Yeah, Hiddleston's best peformance is still The Deep Blue Sea while Evans is Puncture or Sunshine. RDJ is Kiss Kiss Bang Bang or Zodiac and I'd say Scarlett is Lost in Translation. Ruffalo had too many great ones to possibly even decide (You Can Count on Me, Zodiac, Eternal Sunshine, etc.) and then Hemsworth, honestly for me, is the opening of Star Trek. Renner, of course, is The Hurt Locker. No suprise it's almost exclusively indies.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Man after watching that Yahoo Japan trailer and seeing the

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hovering VTOL Aircraft Carrier

come out of the water.....I really really want to see this movie as soon as possible. I'm not giving the wive the see it the next weekend option. lol

 

[thetrin]

Poor Cap, so weak ><

I haven't seen the movie yet, but that's what I fear. Mark Millar did an amazing job of making Cap look powerful and intimidating in Ultimates 1 and 2. I'm obviously not casting judgment without seeing the film, but if it's anything like Captain America, Steve is completely underutilized.

 

[Wilbur]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but that's what I fear. Mark Millar did an amazing job of making Cap look powerful and intimidating in Ultimates 1 and 2. I'm obviously not casting judgment without seeing the film, but if it's anything like Captain America, Steve is completely underutilized.

He has more to do than I'd expect him to do, holds his own. I just don't think Evans is very good.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but that's what I fear. Mark Millar did an amazing job of making Cap look powerful and intimidating in Ultimates 1 and 2. I'm obviously not casting judgment without seeing the film, but if it's anything like Captain America, Steve is completely underutilized.

Cap

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goes toe to toe with Loki and gets some good moments in the final battle

. Not sure how much more you'd want out of the character.

 

[thetrin]

Cap

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goes toe to toe with Loki and gets some good moments in the final battle

. Not sure how much more you'd want out of the character.

He has more to do than I'd expect him to do, holds his own. I just don't think Evans is very good.

That's good to know. He didn't feel very SUPER soldier in Captain America, and I'm always worried directors don't know what to do with Cap. He is my favorite Avenger.

The movie opens here in the states on my birthday, so a bunch of my friends and I are going out to see the movie, then we're going out for dinner, and I'm going to get hammered.

I can't wait.

 

[Dabanton]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but that's what I fear. Mark Millar did an amazing job of making Cap look powerful and intimidating in Ultimates 1 and 2. I'm obviously not casting judgment without seeing the film, but if it's anything like Captain America, Steve is completely underutilized.

He more than holds his own in the film. And gets lots of screen time.

 

[duckroll]

Cap is great in Avengers. He is not weak. But he is human. He is also the most responsible of the lot, as he should be.

 

[hamchan]

Cap is certainly portrayed as a tier below the likes of Hulk, Thor and Iron Man. His strengths are in other ways like leading and ordering the team around. He certainly does get his heroic moments on the ground and gets plenty of screentime but he doesn't look anywhere near as powerful as the other three, who are flying around and destroying multiple enemies at once.

He's not weak at all, he's just not as strong ><

 

[duckroll]

I wanna say something, but it's a spoiler so it wouldn't be relevant to someone who hasn't seen the movie anyway.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Yeah, I never understood why that movie gets hate from some people. People don't have to like it of course, but it's just a fun movie about killer sharks attacking people.

So .. how does Hat is like a Shark's Fin come up and now one has posted the Sammy J snack bites gif??!! It's like the world is ending.

On a related note: Avoiding spoilers is getting sooooooo fuckin hard. Friday night, tickets already bought to my local Cinnebarre... drinks and superheros kicking the shit out of stuff.... so hype.

Also Human Torch on Fallon talking bout cap taking the stairs is pretty damn brilliant. Kind of puts the Widow/Hawkeye debate into focus LoL I can just hear the Captain

"oh yah... you're here. uuhhhhmmm... can I see dat-ass?"
cue Renner smug nod.

 

[Szu]

Uh, wrong Deep Blue Sea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1700844/

Ironically, the shark movie also stars Samuel L. Jackson and Stellan Skarsgard. Both of them also star in The Avengers.

Also on a side note, it's got the Punisher too.

 

[Szu]

The greatest aspect of Captain America is his strength of character. Even when there's no way he can win in a certain situation, it doesn't stop him from trying to beat the impossible.

 

[Wilbur]

Ironically, the shark movie also stars Samuel L. Jackson and Stellan Skarsgard. Both of them also star in The Avengers.

Also on a side note, it's got the Punisher too.

Andrew Garfield played one of the sharks as well

 

[Platy]

Hiddleston is awesome .. the stuff he posts on his twitter shows that he is a fanboy =D

Also, for anyone who cares, the brazilian dubbed copies lack the scene that shows the talk between Cap and Banner in the deck

 

[noah111]

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Maybe, maybe not. I think how well Banner can fully control the Hulk is left up in the air (and that makes the character more dangerous in any setting, and more fun) but the threat definitely did help. He basically put himself in the face of danger and brought the Hulk out. But I feel the nature of how he did that also has an impact of how much control he has over the creature or how "sane" the Hulk is post-transformation.

If Banner willingly goes along with letting the Hulk protect him, he is also able to control the Hulk enough such that it doesn't randomly attack friendly targets as well, and is able to protect people too. We saw this at the end of Incredible Hulk as well.

Basically my thoughts as well.

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Either way, I think we can all agree that Hulk randomly punching Thor and smashing up Loki was awesome.

I loved that bit, very unexpected and got the crowd spitting with laughter.

Cap is great in Avengers. He is not weak. But he is human. He is also the most responsible of the lot, as he should be.

He is. That 'i'm weak' squinting face comes up too many times. That's not how I picture my Cap in the comics. He has a face of determination. Not eye-brows pushed together uncertainty.

I did love him in the movie though, he has some funny bits as well, and his character is very moral regardless. I just want him to be more of a strong bad ass leader as he is in the comics.

 

[Angry Fork]

Does the hulk only show up for one big final battle as I feared? Or do they give him proper screen time? It's the only reason I want to see this really. Iron Man is alright, I like Chris Evans but not as Captain America, Scarlett and the Ratner guy look completely useless and out of place, don't care about Shield or Thor.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So .. how does Hat is like a Shark's Fin come up and now one has posted the Sammy J snack bites gif??!! It's like the world is ending.

I didn't want to derail the thread to much. I love that scene and the hilarious music video. It's funny LL's character was supposed to die, but audiences hated that he died and the British chick lived (even screaming "die bitch" at the test screenings lol).

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Does the hulk only show up for one big final battle as I feared? Or do they give him proper screen time? It's the only reason I want to see this really. Iron Man is alright, I like Chris Evans but not as Captain America, Scarlett and the Ratner guy look completely useless and out of place, don't care about Shield or Thor.

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Loki deliberately unleashes the Hulk aboard the helicarrier as part of his plan. Hulk chases Black Widow around a bit before Thor confronts him and they have a pretty cool fight.

 

[Messypandas]

Does the hulk only show up for one big final battle as I feared? Or do they give him proper screen time? It's the only reason I want to see this really. Iron Man is alright, I like Chris Evans but not as Captain America, Scarlett and the Ratner guy look completely useless and out of place, don't care about Shield or Thor.

Hulk appears in the film

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twice

but they're really well executed and just enough

 

[John Harker]

Saw last night. Movie was really good. They did an excellent job tying all these seemingly random threads together. Did a solid job dividing screen time, and giving weight to characters who have not had their own movie (Hawk, Widow, etc). But to me, what they really nailed was humanizing it. There was a ton to do in the film, but they added lots of little scenes and moments (especially during the excellent beginning) to really ground these characters and make them feel alive and relateable and take some of that 'god-like' untouchable aura I'd feared they make the characters.

Movies like these tend to leave 'the team' as nothing but a set of powers to overcome cookie-cutter objectives that are only created to SHOW said powers, and this film tried to avoid that cliche whenever it could (since its a popcorn flick). So bravo.

The worst part was the 3D. Not that the 3D was particularly bad, mind you, I've just come to the conclusion that it's a waste of money and I'd rather have bright, clear, colorful action than this washout 3D affect they keep shoving down our throats.

 

[duckroll]

One of my favorite Cap scenes is near the end.

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We see the main heroes who have been standing toe-to-toe against the alien army in their own various fights. Hulk is unstoppable. Thor is just as invincible. Iron Man is starting to take damage, but his suit keeps him steady and in a good position. But Captain America... he falls. Like a mortal man, he drops his shield and collapses on his knees. But he doesn't stop there. He... gets up. He picks up his shield. He has a look of determination on his face, and he stands his ground to fight some more.

That is Captain America in a nutshell. His superhuman strength gives him enough of a push so he can give more of himself than any normal man, but what makes him actually do it is his determination and his steel will. He is a man, but a man willing to give more of himself, to stand among gods, monsters, and robots, while giving just as much of himself to protect what he believes in.

That's not a weakness. That is what a real hero should be.

 

[John Harker]

One of my favorite Cap scenes is near the end.

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We see the main heroes who have been standing toe-to-toe against the alien army in their own various fights. Hulk is unstoppable. Thor is just as invincible. Iron Man is starting to take damage, but his suit keeps him steady and in a good position. But Captain America... he falls. Like a mortal man, he drops his shield and collapses on his knees. But he doesn't stop there. He... gets up. He picks up his shield. He has a look of determination on his face, and he stands his ground to fight some more.

That is Captain America in a nutshell. His superhuman strength gives him enough of a push so he can give more of himself than any normal man, but what makes him actually do it is his determination and his steel will. He is a man, but a man willing to give more of himself, to stand among gods, monsters, and robots, while giving just as much of himself to protect what he believes in.

That's not a weakness. That is what a real hero should be.

yea but

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Black Widow and Hawkeye have no such moments... they even had some snarky comments tossed in there and some crazy acrobatic stuff without any signs of humanity. Doesn't that lesson the impact of what you're saying to you? They seemed more super than Cap did to me, anyway. Maybe to give them their own spinoff, but they didn't take the hits Cap did and certainly did some super things

 

[thetrin]

Cap is great in Avengers. He is not weak. But he is human. He is also the most responsible of the lot, as he should be.

That's all I ask for. Thanks for the reply, ducky. I know you're a big Brubaker Cap fan, so if you're happy with Cap's portrayal in Avengers, then I have faith.

The greatest aspect of Captain America is his strength of character. Even when there's no way he can win in a certain situation, it doesn't stop him from trying to beat the impossible.

Oh god. Someone needs to post the pic from Civil War, where Cap is giving Spider-man the speech about the tree growing by the river of truth. That full page spread IS Captain America, and portrays so well why I love the character.

EDIT: Found it.

THIS is why I love Captain America:

 

[MurkyZebra2417]

yea but

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Black Widow and Hawkeye have no such moments... they even had some snarky comments tossed in there and some crazy acrobatic stuff without any signs of humanity. Doesn't that lesson the impact of what you're saying to you? They seemed more super than Cap did to me, anyway. Maybe to give them their own spinoff, but they didn't take the hits Cap did and certainly did some super things

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I think the movie makes pretty clear that Cap is stronger than Widow or Hawkeye. Also it shows him as a tactician and the leader of the team, which is great.

 

[duckroll]

yea but

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Black Widow and Hawkeye have no such moments... they even had some snarky comments tossed in there and some crazy acrobatic stuff without any signs of humanity. Doesn't that lesson the impact of what you're saying to you? They seemed more super than Cap did to me, anyway. Maybe to give them their own spinoff, but they didn't take the hits Cap did and certainly did some super things

No, it doesn't.

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The reason is because both Black Widow and Hawkeye use their own skills to avoid having to take a beating head-on. They know they can't take that sort of damage, and they rely on range, agility, backstabbing, etc. As a direct result, you will also notice that there are pretty much no scenes at the end where either of them go all gung-ho to actually save civilians when the fighting gets really thick. They had a moment where both of them worked together to have move civilians before the second wave came in, but later on they were both out of the way and doing their own things.

This is a distinct difference from what Captain America does, where he basically considers himself someone who has to lead by example, and so he is right in the thick of things with the three other guys who clearly can take much more damage than he can, and two of them literally cannot die. He gives that much of himself because he has to. No one else can really lead the team, and he is the man who represents the best interests of humanity and of the common people. He is not a spy, he is not an assassin, he is not a god, he is not a monster, he is not a rich playboy with a mech suit. He is a soldier, trained to give his life for others, and to ask nothing in return.

I don't think Hawkeye and Black Widow staying out of the way really lessens any of this. If anything it shows that Captain America has a choice. He could hold back and play it safe too, since he's "just a man", but he chooses not to. That is what makes him the leader.

 

[noah111]

yea but

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Black Widow and Hawkeye have no such moments... they even had some snarky comments tossed in there and some crazy acrobatic stuff without any signs of humanity. Doesn't that lesson the impact of what you're saying to you? They seemed more super than Cap did to me, anyway. Maybe to give them their own spinoff, but they didn't take the hits Cap did and certainly did some super things

That's a good point, but

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Cap is still defined as stronger than both of them, regardless. Though they do have more 'badass' moments than Cap, which is sort of disappointing. At the same time, Cap clearly comes off as more of the hero, who saved those people in the building, etc. While he does have humanity, he lacks his character from the comics more-so than any other of the members.

No, it doesn't.

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The reason is because both Black Widow and Hawkeye use their own skills to avoid having to take a beating head-on. They know they can't take that sort of damage, and they rely on range, agility, backstabbing, etc. As a direct result, you will also notice that there are pretty much no scenes at the end where either of them go all gung-ho to actually save civilians when the fighting gets really thick. They had a moment where both of them worked together to have move civilians before the second wave came in, but later on they were both out of the way and doing their own things.

You're forgetting that scene where

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Black Widow is bleeding but took a bunch of them out on her own, and not to mention performed some real bad-assery when Cap flung her at a Chitauri craft.

 

[duckroll]

You're forgetting that scene where

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Black Widow is bleeding but took a bunch of them out on her own, and not to mention performed some real bad-assery when Cap flung her at a Chitauri craft.

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I'm not saying that he has more heroic scenes than the others. I'm saying his position and intention in the battle is that of a steel willed leader who leads from the front, and demands only as much of others as he would give of himself. Every character had their "badass" moments, but the Captain America owns the scenes where he shows leadership and self-sacrifice. He's clearly not in it for the glory, which is why he doesn't have as many moments where he does something "cool", but rather he has the scenes where he is the voice of reason, or the leader, or the guy getting a grenade in the face instead of civilians.

I will also add that Captain America when he is in the Avengers, is always a slightly different character from who he is when he is on his own missions in his own comic. I feel his characterization here is spot on, and if you want to see Captain America just do a ton of cool things like pose after throwing a shield for a money shot and so on, there'll probably be a TON of that in his next movie. As the leader of the Avengers he is more reserved in his pure heroics, because he feels he has to, and he tends to speak up a lot more because no one else in the team tends to like talking.

 

[Hot Coldman]

There's a fantastic scene where Cap

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has his first instance of doling out orders to the other Avengers, orders that a) seem believable and pretty damn smart (telling Iron Man to control the perimeters, for example), and b) you never doubt him for a second. Notice how not even Thor in his grandiose mindset or Stark with his arrogance- or even Hulk, the monster- question him. That's the sell- that's the bit where you know Captain America is truly and rightfully the leader of the Avengers.

It also helps that a lot of what he does in the city scenes revolves around him trying to help out the civilians. As glorious as the action is with Iron Man, Hulk and Thor, they're focused on just smashing Chitauri because, hey, they need smashing. But Cap is taking action to minimise the death toll- the part where he takes out the hostage-taking Chitauri is a great example of this, Cap doing stuff Tony or Thor wouldn't have even noticed. Whedon and Evans doing a great job of making Cap seem suitably heroic, and it's a nice development over the course of the film from early scenes where Cap comes across as kinda bitter and out-of-touch. I guess Fury was right when they said they could use some "old-fashioned".

 

[thetrin]

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I'm not saying that he has more heroic scenes than the others. I'm saying his position and intention in the battle is that of a steel willed leader who leads from the front, and demands only as much of others as he would give of himself. Every character had their "badass" moments, but the Captain America owns the scenes where he shows leadership and self-sacrifice. He's clearly not in it for the glory, which is why he doesn't have as many moments where he does something "cool", but rather he has the scenes where he is the voice of reason, or the leader, or the guy getting a grenade in the face instead of civilians.

I will also add that Captain America when he is in the Avengers, is always a slightly different character from who he is when he is on his own missions in his own comic. I feel his characterization here is spot on, and if you want to see Captain America just do a ton of cool things like pose after throwing a shield for a money shot and so on, there'll probably be a TON of that in his next movie. As the leader of the Avengers he is more reserved in his pure heroics, because he feels he has to, and he tends to speak up a lot more because no one else in the team tends to like talking.

If that's how he's portrayed in the movie, then it's pitch perfect. Cap's heroism and courage come from a deeper place than invincibility. He BELIEVES. He stands for something greater than himself, and leads by example.

If that's where they take Cap in Avengers, then I'm very excited (though I wouldn't be against Cap dropping a tank on someone like he did to Hulk in Ultimates)

 

[Wilbur]

Black Widow surprised me, I thought she was going to be there just to look pretty. She was genuinely quite a good character (AND SO FUCKING HOT)

 

[duckroll]

I'm personally REALLY excited to see where they will be taking Captain America 2. So far with the first movie and now the Avengers, we've seen really different sides to the development of the character arc, and a lot of it is very faithful to the tone in the comics. We have the WW2 Cap, now we have the Avengers Cap. The only place to go after this will be Brubaker Cap. It is really the perfect modern day version of Captain America, and the storylines lend themselves so well to film too.

tl;dr: WINTER SOLDIER PLZ. I'm sure trin will understand.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

So I saw it last night for the second time, and I really do not like how Cap has been characterized kind of like a naive goody two-shoes dumb blonde. I understood some of those moments were used as a means to create a lighter mood, but it just made him look more out of place than usual.

Often he seems lost and airy. Apart from the two checklist-item scenes of Cap giving orders and spouting some strategic positions, he doesn't at all come off as the military leader you expect Captain America to be like.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Black Widow surprised me, I thought she was going to be there just to look pretty. She was genuinely quite a good character (AND SO FUCKING HOT)

Yeah, she's not eye candy by far really (or at least by as much as her costume/being Scarlett fucking Johansson will allow). Speaks well to what she gets to do and her general characterisation that you don't really spend all her scenes thinking about how hot she is.

She's like the opposite of, say, Blake Lively's character in Green Lantern. :lol