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[ChuyMasta]

There was a time when me and my sister experimented our sexuality, but then our parents caught us.

Very awkward moment. I am glad we were just kids.

 

[Jenga]

ok, who here would fuck me if i were your older latino brother with a large penis you lust for

 

[Anony]

As long as there's no reproduction I don't consider it to be anyone's business. If there is reproduction you are putting a child at serious risk and I do believe that should be punishable under the law.

did you even read op's post

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Consenting ADULTS should be allowed to make decisions that cater for their choices.

Children adds a different complexity though.

 

[SirChained]

There was a time when me and my sister experimented our sexuality, but then our parents caught us.

Very awkward moment. I am glad we were just kids.

Story time.

 

[Hot Coldman]

ok, who here would fuck me if i were your older latino brother with a large penis you lust for

"Would you fuck me if you wanted to fuck me" is kinda a leading question :lol

 

[Jenga]

"Would you fuck me if you wanted to fuck me" is kinda a leading question :lol

is that a yes

 

[Phuturephunk]

Argument 1 involves saying people find homosexuality gross because of "instinct". Sure, often it is instinct, but it's instinct born of societal norms, norms that are becoming outdated and irrelevant. An instinctive negative reaction to incest is born on natural norms- you're not supposed to be attracted to relatives on any level. The natural norms of finding incest to be fucking gross will never go away. Because, you know, it fucks up babies.

Tell that to the Habsburg dynasty. All dead!

Gross Gross Gross.

 

[DarthWoo]

Some states allow first cousin marriage on the condition that one or both parties are no longer capable of producing children, or if they receive genetic counseling as to the possibility of adversely affected offspring.

 

[Deified Data]

Yeah, I guess in principle it could be okay for (adult) siblings to fuck each other if they both really wanted to. I guess much of the taboo comes from the potential kids being fucked up and from most people finding the thought of it repulsive and thus assuming people into it are fucked in the head. And I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that most incest relationships aren't healthy ones. It is by nature wrong. Humans need a certain degree of diversity to breed healthy offspring.

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

 

[Lafiel]

I don't think incest between consenting adults will ever become legal personally. Simply because It's pretty damn rare that a "innocent" consenting incest relationship between brother-to-sister, brother-to-brother, sister-sister etc ever happens, and the other kinds of incest such as mother-son, father-daughter are rightfully taboo due to the unbalanced power dynamic.

Plus it's extremely unlikely that sexual attraction ever grows between siblings, assuming they aren't separated at birth / or as children and meet each other years later.

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

To be fair it can be argued that homosexuality is beneficial to society and evolution, I'm not so sure if you can say the same thing about incest.

 

[jayhawker]

i dont like the no.2 argument. while it is statistically true there are also other instances that make the chances higher that a child will be disabled that are not as prohibited as incest (for example women getting kids with an age over 35 oreven worse alcohol and tobacco as op pointed out) also it implies that disabled are lesser humans. we cannot, in one society/nation, proclaim equality of nondisabled and disabled amd than try to prohibit certain type of behaviour just because the chances of disability is higher.

i believe incest between two totally sane adult people is their own. usiness. would i ever do it? no not a chance but i dont condem others for doing it.

Wat.

We can acknowledge and respect disabled persons' intrinsic value as humans while still acknowledging that they would be more capable of enjoying their lives without the disability. By your logic, we should never attempt to discover ways to reduce or reverse the effects of disabilities either.

 

[Captain_Spanky]

The things you listed as also messing up babies don't do so on nearly the same level as incest. Genetics explicitly works because of a large gene pool and limiting it through incest can lead to damaging results.

 

[Evlar]

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

Uhhh... I'm pretty sure most people, even the nutbars, don't criticize homosexuality on the grounds of potential damage to offspring.

 

[Devolution]

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

Because generations of incest leads to real problems. If you nip that shit in the bud, less degenerative problems. Look at the royal families and the problems of infertility and hemophilia.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Pretty much.

 

[Hot Coldman]

is that a yes

I think it has to be?

Tell that to the Habsburg dynasty.

Gross Gross Gross.

I think excluding crazy ruler types from this debate is a good idea because they were crazy as fuck, pure blood lines and all that

You just know incest was a heavy part of the early Harry Potter drafts

 

[SuperBonk]

Argument 1 involves saying people find homosexuality gross because of "instinct". Sure, often it is instinct, but it's instinct born of societal norms, norms that are becoming outdated and irrelevant. An instinctive negative reaction to incest is born on natural norms- you're not supposed to be attracted to relatives on any level. The natural norms of finding incest to be fucking gross will never go away. Because, you know, it fucks up babies.

I don't see how incestual sexual relationships are any less "natural" than homosexual ones, especially if you look at other animals. They're both practiced by several species and both detrimental to the proliferation of the species (assuming they do not have sexual relationships with the opposite gender or non-family).

 

[Goron2000]

 

[revolverjgw]

There was a time when me and my sister experimented our sexuality, but then our parents caught us.

Very awkward moment. I am glad we were just kids.

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[Fantastical]

I once brought this up with some friends, and they thought I was weird as hell, but I honestly don't see why. I asked "would you be okay with incest if somehow it was guaranteed that the children weren't fucked up."

As a gay man I would have a hard time telling two adult and consenting people that they couldn't fuck each other just because I find it unpleasant.

 

[Zane]

Incest is disgusting and taboo for a reason. Shut up.

 

[darkside31337]

I don't think incest between consenting adults will ever become legal personally. Simply because It's pretty damn rare that a "innocent" consenting incest relationship between brother-to-sister, brother-to-brother, sister-sister etc ever happens, and the other kinds of incest such as mother-son, father-daughter are rightfully taboo due to the unbalanced power dynamic.

I don't think this is a fair point at all. You are never going to hear about normal people having an incestuous relationship because it's something normal people will take with them to the grave instead of being open about it with the rest of their family and friends.

You'll only hear about it happening in the media or through fiction through these messed up scenarios and what not.

 

[Zeppelin]

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

Thought about that before hitting reply. But no, it's not at all the same thing. Homosexuality does not result in fucked up offspring. It doesn't affect anyone else but the ones in the relationship.

 

[Uchip]

There was a time when me and my sister experimented our sexuality, but then our parents caught us.

Very awkward moment. I am glad we were just kids.

 

[Devolution]

I don't see how incestual sexual relationships are any less "natural" than homosexual ones, especially if you look at other animals. They're both practiced by several species and both detrimental to the proliferation of the species.

Practiced by several species is a dumb argument for incest. Not all animals have the same genetic issues or reproductive systems as we do. Like cats for instance. When the female is in heat she can accept sperm from several different males.

 

[Vermillion]

I'm gonna say it's unnatural.

There's a reason we have the Westermarck effect, people. To stop situations like this.

 

[Venfayth]

I'd look at you weird, but whatever.

Having kids is not okay, in my opinion, because it breaks one of the rules I believe that people should follow in general:

If everybody (or a majority of people) did this would society be hindered by it?

The answer to this rule, for incest, is yes, society would be hindered by it. If they're not going to have kids, then whatever, they're not hurting anybody (except possibly eachother).

 

[Deified Data]

Argument 1 involves saying people find homosexuality gross because of "instinct". Sure, often it is instinct, but it's instinct born of societal norms, norms that are becoming outdated and irrelevant. An instinctive negative reaction to incest is born on natural norms- you're not supposed to be attracted to relatives on any level. The natural norms of finding incest to be fucking gross will never go away. Because, you know, it fucks up babies.

I think both are rooted firmly in how we're raised, at least as far as our "natural" aversion to it. If you dumped a brother and a sister on an island, told them they were related but nothing else, they'd end up mounting eachother eventually. It's almost a universal certainty.

Did I just relate the plot of Blue Lagoon?

 

[CrushDance]

This. It multiplies the rate of autism substantially. I believe it's her right to have a child, regardless.



You're gonna have to illustrate your concern clearer than that.



Nope.

Nope. Not going into this!

Look. I think for the most part, nobody truly cares. As long as they're within a similar age group, no one is being abused; it's fine. But having children is where it sort of because a public issue. The complications involve everyone at that point. If they're consenting adults, they should also know the risks associated with having a child.

 

[FallingEdge]

I don't think this is a fair point at all. You are never going to hear about normal people having an incestuous relationship because it's something normal people will take with them to the grave instead of being open about it with the rest of their family and friends.

You'll only hear about it happening in the media or through fiction through these messed up scenarios and what not.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nmmjr/iama_man_who_had_a_sexual_relationship_with_his/

In case you want to get to the main bits without reading all the question/answers, it basically boiled down to:

1. Was a positive experience for him and his mother, the father knew and would get jealous occasionally but was okay with it. Sister never knew and he said she wouldn't be okay with it so he never told her.
2. They did pretty much everything.
3. Started when he was injured at some point and physically couldn't masturbate, had blue balls and wanted relief, mother offered and it went on from there.
4. He said he was physically attracted to her before it started. I believe the research being done was in regards to attraction between close relatives or something like that.

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Kinda curious on people's thoughts about this.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

There was a time when me and my sister experimented our sexuality, but then our parents caught us.

Very awkward moment. I am glad we were just kids.

 

[d0c_zaius]

its gross

and the lannisters

 

[Emwitus]

I find incest gross but it shouldn't be illegal.

If two consenting adults want to have a relationship with each other then they should be allowed to do so.

#2 argument is the strongest argument against Incest (and it is not that strong). Of course if two adult sisters want to love each other then it doesn't apply at all.

#2 alone is reason enough for it to be illegal.

 

[GJS]

This (wrong) assumption could be levelled against homosexuality, too. Whenever it is, it's called "homophobia". There doesn't seem to be a similar term for incest.

It's precisely the reason which has been raised against homosexuality many many times by those opposed to it.

Incest avoidance mechanisms are thought to be social in development due to who you are raised around, there is no way for you to instinctively and naturally know that a relative you have never met is related to you. It's known as the Westermarck effect.

That's why you see these coincidental cases where people fall in love and start a relationship only to find out they are related and then they fall foul of the law.

On another note, Charles Darwin married his first cousin.

 

[SuperBonk]

Practiced by several species is a dumb argument for incest. Not all animals have the same genetic issues or reproductive systems as we do. Like cats for instance. When the female is in heat she can accept sperm from several different males.

It was meant to argue the "natural" aspect of any behavior. I mean, it's not like there are countless examples of incest and homosexuality in humans alone. There are no "natural laws" being broken in either.

 

[Devolution]

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/09/tut-dna/dobbs-text

 

[LordCanti]

its gross

and the lannisters

Hey....hey.... Tommen and Myrcella both seem like peaches.

I agree with you though.

 

[CrushDance]

Incest is disgusting and taboo for a reason. Shut up.

No need for that. Calm down.

 

[DrForester]

so...

 

[SirChained]

#2 alone is reason enough for it to be illegal.

So we should sterilize those with chronic heritable diseases, or at least prohibit them from having sex, right?

 

[Lafiel]

I don't think this is a fair point at all. You are never going to hear about normal people having an incestuous relationship because it's something normal people will take with them to the grave instead of being open about it with the rest of their family and friends.

You'll only hear about it happening in the media or through fiction through these messed up scenarios and what not.

Do you really think they are enough NORMAL people having incest relations that they are going make a stand for it's legality? similar to the gay rights movement.

 

[Devolution]

So we should sterilize those with chronic heritable diseases, or at least prohibit them from having sex, right?

I don't know why people are equating those whom are already disabled with the actions that might help to keep a child from being born with health problems.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Incest is considered by anthropologists to be the world's only universal taboo. Nearly every civilization all over the globe forbids it, and for a good reason. That said if they have no intention of having children I see no reason to make it a legal problem. Disgusting, yes, immoral certainly but not something to prosecute.

 

[Sadsic]

people saying incest should be illegal: what if two siblings/cousins who were raised separately enter a relationship as adults? they know they are related but they still want to play pelvic pinochle

 

[Angry Grimace]

Because there aren't enough people interesting in banging their sister to obtain the political capital required to get anyone to un-do that law. Just let it go.

 

[Deified Data]

Practiced by several species is a dumb argument for incest. Not all animals have the same genetic issues or reproductive systems as we do. Like cats for instance. When the female is in heat she can accept sperm from several different males.

I think we can all agree that if the entire human race adopted either homosexuality or incest simultaneously as a new sexual zeitgeist, we'd be equally fucked in the long run.

I'm not promoting incest, I'm promoting tolerance. I find the bigotry levelled at participants of incest to be pointless and hypocritical. That's what the thread's about - not who is worse for society.

 

[siddx]

Do whatever you want as long as it's consensual. But it's still fucking disgusting and you have to be a completely fucked up and mentally damaged human being to want to sleep with a sister or brother.

 

[SuperBonk]

I'd look at you weird, but whatever.

Having kids is not okay, in my opinion, because it breaks one of the rules I believe that people should follow in general:

If everybody (or a majority of people) did this would society be hindered by it?

The answer to this rule, for incest, is yes, society would be hindered by it. If they're not going to have kids, then whatever, they're not hurting anybody (except possibly eachother).

So you're against homosexuality as well?

 

[SirChained]

actions that might help to keep a child from being born with health problems.

That's exactly why I said sterilizing/prohibiting those with heritable diseases from having sex.