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[Clayton Bigsby]

Coulson = Rachel

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson? Then everyone felt super sad in Avengers without any build up between him and any of the heroes. At most, the only thing I saw the heroes feel for him before was annoyance.

I am going to leave this thread. It has become very apparent that dissenting opinions are not welcome, even from those who enjoyed the film very much.

 

[Callibretto]

One question, at the end of thor credits where loki is mind controlling selvig, did he already met thanos and chitauri in that scene? It seems like such a big dealfor thor to come to earth via Odin power and it's only a one way trip and he need the cube to go back to asgard. Meanwhile, loki presumably able to go to earth during thor end credit, go back to chitauri, and then got send back to earth again via the cube. How did he go to earth in thor end credits, the cube hasn't been acting up as portal back then.

 

[DMczaf]

The way they kept trying to make us feel for Coulson with the Captain America fanboying and all that, it felt like a cop saying "This is my last week on the job, 35 years on the force! What can go wrong!"

I still liked that touch with the cards though.

 

[ghostmind]

Marvel has all sorts of huge potential for games. Disney needs to start throwing some money into videogames as well.

Disney has been real skittish about committing to games, though I hope they grow out of that phase.

 

[Log4Girlz]

At least in this universe the Asgardians are bullet proof. God I remember years ago the arguments on comic boards about how Thor was not bullet proof or at best bullet resilient. :/

 

[Cyan]

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson? Then everyone felt super sad in Avengers without any build up between him and any of the heroes. At most, the only thing I saw the heroes feel for him before was annoyance.

Huh. Weird. We got totally different things out of exactly the same scenes.

I am going to leave this thread. It has become very apparent that dissenting opinions are not welcome, even from those who enjoyed the film very much.

Ah, another one of these.

 

[Quick]

It only clicked on me now that Odin's helmet is pretty much a combination of Thor's and Loki's.

Loki's is so badass.

 

[BigJonsson]

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson? Then everyone felt super sad in Avengers without any build up between him and any of the heroes. At most, the only thing I saw the heroes feel for him before was annoyance.

I am going to leave this thread. It has become very apparent that dissenting opinions are not welcome, even from those who enjoyed the film very much.

I cared, and I'm a viewer

 

[Raitosaito]

Nope. I don't even remember him in the Ultimate comics at all, actually.

He was in Ultimate Fantastic Four as some emperor

 

[3phemeral]

This doesnt work. Because I knew none of the heroes in Avengers would die. Hence the big set pieces, while cool to look at, held no weight for me. While I have no idea what will happen in Batman. You are trying to tell me these are the same things, but they are not. It is simply not knowing vs. Knowing. Those two things are not the same.

Except, it is kinda sorta the same thing when you're expecting that Batman might die and then he does. Whereas, knowing nothing at all and being shocked to hell out of it is emotionally more effective.

 

[MisterAnderson]

Always on the mark.

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding a nigh-indestructible super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

 

[Good Job Bob]

Nope. I don't even remember him in the Ultimate comics at all, actually.

Aw, that sucks.

 

[BigJonsson]

Except, it is kinda sorta the same thing when you're expecting that Batman might die and then he does. Whereas, knowing nothing at all and being shocked to hell out of it is emotionally more effective.

Seriously

If Batman does die the people who think its a probable outcome will just go, "Meh, I knew it was going to happen, Nolan set it up that way." And maybe a, "Worst. Batman death. EVER!"


Its not like that movie Executive Decisions where Segal gets killed off really early when you assumed he was the main protagonist!

 

[3phemeral]

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

Funny how I thought the same thing. I mean, he's bad ass, but is he really that bad ass?

Seriously

If Batman does die the people who think its a probable outcome will just go, "Meh, I knew it was going to happen, Nolan set it up that way." And maybe a, "Worst. Batman death. EVER!"


Its not like that movie Executive Decisions where Segal gets killed off really early when you assumed he was the main protagonist!

That's going to be hilarious if it does.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Except, it is kinda sorta the same thing when you're expecting that Batman might die and then he does. Whereas, knowing nothing at all and being shocked to hell out of it is emotionally more effective.

I think you missed his point completely. Batman could die. Has the potential to die. But we don't KNOW. There are stakes that are very real and permanent. Nobody that anybody cared about was going to die in the Avengers, hence no stakes and lack of tension.

 

[noah111]

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson? Then everyone felt super sad in Avengers without any build up between him and any of the heroes. At most, the only thing I saw the heroes feel for him before was annoyance.

I am going to leave this thread. It has become very apparent that dissenting opinions are not welcome, even from those who enjoyed the film very much.

Did anyone catch this dialog between Natasha and Clint?; "This is like Budapest all over again." "You and I remember Budapest very differently."

There's obviously an untold story for both of them.. and maybe even between them.

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson? Then everyone felt super sad in Avengers without any build up between him and any of the heroes. At most, the only thing I saw the heroes feel for him before was annoyance.

I am going to leave this thread. It has become very apparent that dissenting opinions are not welcome, even from those who enjoyed the film very much.

You have no idea what you're talking about. He's been the fabric linking all the MCU movies together, basically, and everyone knew him. Tony Stark was especially close to him.. talking out of your ass a bit, tbh. And a lot of people in this thread (especially "laymen's" who just came to post their views) said that scene was executed well and it had an effect on them..

I love it when derailers bail all victimized. Jesus.

 

[Log4Girlz]

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding a nigh-indestructible super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

I wish they explained he had super powerful arrows patterned after Destroyer tech or something...like they exploded extra good or busted out laser beams on impact. Nope, they're glorified darts.

 

[BigJonsson]

I think you missed his point completely. Batman could die. Has the potential to die. But we don't KNOW. There are stakes that are very real and permanent. Nobody that anybody cared about was going to die in the Avengers, hence no stakes and lack of tension.

What about Batman Begins or The Dark Knight? We all knew they were going to make sequels lol

 

[ghostmind]

Why do you people keep talking about Batman? Is he in the Avengers?


This is worse than a 360 vs PS3 thread FFS.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Nah, I've been saying from the very start that Coulson's death was extremely laughable. Yes, Stark knew him. But as our perturbed friend Bigsby here rightly pointed out - he was nothing to Stark more than an annoyance.

He was not more than that to any of the other characters either. It was Whedon trying to create sympathy by killing off the only known character he could and it fell absolutely flat. It was ridiculous how much they harped on about it. He should have died and then moved onto the next scene. Dwelling on some B-grade supporting character was really laughable.

 

[BigJonsson]

Nah, I've been saying from the very start that Coulson's death was extremely laughable. Yes, Stark knew him. But as our perturbed friend Bigsby here rightly pointed out - he was nothing to Stark more than an annoyance.

He was not more than that to any of the other characters either. It was Whedon trying to create sympathy by killing off the only known character he could and it fell absolutely flat. It was ridiculous how much they harped on about it. He should have died and then moved onto the next scene. Dwelling on some B-grade supporting character was really laughable.

Pepper Potts is going to be heartbroken </3

 

[DMczaf]

Nah, I've been saying from the very start that Coulson's death was extremely laughable. Yes, Stark knew him. But as our perturbed friend Bigsby here rightly pointed out - he was nothing to Stark more than an annoyance.

He was not more than that to any of the other characters either. It was Whedon trying to create sympathy by killing off the only known character he could and it fell absolutely flat. It was ridiculous how much they harped on about it. He should have died and then moved onto the next scene. Dwelling on some B-grade supporting character was really laughable.

It was pretty funny that he got a one liner in while dying. Whedon just couldn't resist.

 

[Raitosaito]

Why do you people keep talking about Batman? Is he in the Avengers?


This is worse than a 360 vs PS3 thread FFS.

Batman vs. All of Marvel Garbage thread incoming

 

[Good Job Bob]

Nah, I've been saying from the very start that Coulson's death was extremely laughable. Yes, Stark knew him. But as our perturbed friend Bigsby here rightly pointed out - he was nothing to Stark more than an annoyance.

He was not more than that to any of the other characters either. It was Whedon trying to create sympathy by killing off the only known character he could and it fell absolutely flat. It was ridiculous how much they harped on about it. He should have died and then moved onto the next scene. Dwelling on some B-grade supporting character was really laughable.

Yeah, and didn't Black Widow mention Loki killed a bunch of people in a few days? That doesn't get them to man up and band together but the death of one low-grade supporting character does? Jesus.

 

[noah111]

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

What if it's a heat tracking arrow? :lol

Yeah, and didn't Black Widow mention Loki killed a bunch of people in a few days? That doesn't get them to man up and band together but the death of one low-grade supporting character does? Jesus.

Nobody cares about men who die, who were sent to die.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

What about Batman Begins or The Dark Knight? We all knew they were going to make sequels lol

The difference with BB and TDK is that unlike The Avengers, every character outside of one (Batman) is at risk. They have had a lot more time to develop the side characters like Gordon, Alfred, Rachel, Dent etc, because their main player is one guy. The side character don't have to try get some screen time in between six leads, so there has actually been enough attention paid to their development that we actually care if they go. Unlike agent Coulson.

 

[ghostmind]

I liked Coulson, and was surprised by his death.


Who would they have killed off for effect then? Fury? I guess that would have provided some shock value, but in the comics Fury has more LMD's than cats have lives - he would have just returned, which would have been worse IMO.


I really hope they don't make Coulson to be an LMD...

 

[ReiGun]

Why do you people keep talking about Batman? Is he in the Avengers?.

They're just mad cause Batman is scared to fight Captain America.

 

[MiniDitka]

For anyone remotely interested in the comics or reminiscing over classics, I found this great collage of every single issue released (click for giant 5700x3375 version);


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Fun to look over, issue by issue. Makes you wonder Marvel has in store, could go so many ways at this point.

Pretty cool though unless I missed it didn't see any of the giant sized/annual issues. I really need to dig out my comics and read the Swordsman/Mantis arc again.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Why do you people keep talking about Batman? Is he in the Avengers?


This is worse than a 360 vs PS3 thread FFS.

Just wait until the reboot.

 

[BigJonsson]

The difference with BB and TDK is that unlike The Avengers, every character outside of one (Batman) is at risk. They have had a lot more time to develop the side characters like Gordon, Alfred, Rachel, Dent etc, because their main player is one guy. The side character don't have to try get some screen time in between six leads, so there has actually been enough attention paid to their development that we actually care if they go. Unlike agent Coulson.

I'm sure plenty of people cared about Coulson the same way they'd care if someone in Batman died, yeesh

 

[KevinCow]

Thats laughable. What character ever gave a fuck about Coulson?

He had a connection with pretty much every character.

Iron Man: He had regular contact with Tony throughout two movies, and was apparently a frequent enough visitor for Pepper to be on a first name basis with him. Stark treated him as an annoyance, but it always felt like the way an older brother might treat his younger brother as an annoyance. Yeah, he can be a pain, but he's got a soft spot for him.

Thor: He was one of the few people Thor met during his time on Earth, and the Shield agent he promised his alliance to.

Captain America: He was clearly a dorky fanboy of the man.

Black Widow and Hawkeye: If he wasn't their direct boss, he was clearly a higher-up who they took orders from.

Hulk is the only one who didn't really have a connection.


I don't think any of the characters considered him their best friend or anything, much as I don't think any viewers considered him their favorite character. But he was a recognizable constant, likable in his dorkiness, especially compared to how ridiculously cool everyone else in this movie was.

 

[glaurung]

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding a nigh-indestructible super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

The theory here was that he was aiming based on a reflection on the building across the street.

Or it's just posing.

 

[noah111]

Why do you people keep talking about Batman? Is he in the Avengers?

This is worse than a 360 vs PS3 thread FFS.

Yeah, at least in those threads one is obviously superior.

Spoiler

i keeeeed!

 

[ghostmind]

That Avengers collage reminded me about the "Leather Jacket Avengers". Those were dark days.

 

[3phemeral]

I think you missed his point completely. Batman could die. Has the potential to die. But we don't KNOW. There are stakes that are very real and permanent. Nobody that anybody cared about was going to die in the Avengers, hence no stakes and lack of tension.

I'm arguing from the perspective that it's this idea: "knowing in advance what the stakes are" ruins the emotional effectiveness of something. There are posters in this thread who seem determined he will die. It doesn't matter if the stakes are real or permanent (perhaps in the Nolan-verse) because if you're arguing in advance you knew something was going to happen (due to the trailers), shouldn't that apply to every scenario? The emotional build up for anything would be ruined.

I understand the idea that characters grounded in more realistic movie-verse could bring more tension, but importance on the conversation seemed more focused around "I knew it advance so I didn't care."

 

[golem]

What was your biggest fanboy moment of the film? I know for most it was Thor and Loki but for me that part with the Iron Man suit flying down just made me want to jump up out of my seat and start running around the theater.

The first time Cap is fighting Loki in Germany and the radio turns to ACDC or whatever and you know Iron Man is about to arrive.. yeah that was good.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I'm sure plenty of people cared about Coulson the same way they'd care if someone in Batman died, yeesh

The point is that not only was Coulson an underdeveloped nothing character to the audience, he was a nothing character to the Avengers. He certainly wasn't the kind of character whose death would force them to stop re-asses their situation while brooding.

If Gordon died in Batman, it would matter because Bruce has had a long and tough partner relationship with the man, fighting in the front lines of crime alongside him against this avalanche of a task in Gotham.

Alfred? He's a father figure to Bruce that has looked out for him since he was a small child.

Rachel? She was the love of Bruce's life and childhood friend.

Dent? Bruce's way out of Batman and the answer to achieving everything he dedicated himself to - saving Gotham.

All of those characters relationships to Bruce are a lot different than 'Oh, that's the weird dude that asked me to sign some cards for him.' or 'Oh, that agent that Pepper talks to and is always poking around my house.' Thor 'Did I see him? Can't remember. I saw a lot of people when I visited Earth.' Hulk? 'Who?'

To harp on his death in the next scene and have it act as the catalyst for bringing this band of people together was beyond lol-worthy.

 

[noah111]

Anyone remember this scene in IM2? Coulson's love for CA explains why he was so serious in this scene;

 

[KevinCow]

Biggest fanboy moment: "Hulk: Smash."

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Sigh. He better be quippy dammit!

Have you seen the trailers? Because he is quippy.

 

[Ferga]

Maybe Hulk was out of control in the ship because of Loki's staff.

I still don't understand what banner meant when he said he was always angry in the last fight. Didn't they say that he turns green when his blood pressure rises in the movies?

 

[MisterAnderson]

The theory here was that he was aiming based on a reflection on the building across the street.

Or it's just posing.

I was thinking this as a possibility but that just seems like showing off to no one for no reason. I'll go with it being a heat seeking arrow (like some poster said a few posts up) for now, since that seems semi plausible even though I'm pretty sure that's not at all what actually is going on there...lol.

 

[Hawkian]

The first time Cap is fighting Loki in Germany and the radio turns to ACDC or whatever and you know Iron Man is about to arrive.. yeah that was good.

That got a massive cheer in my first viewing. Love Black Widow's grin there, too.

 

[noah111]

The point is that not only was Coulson an underdeveloped nothing character to the audience, he was a nothing character to the Avengers. He certainly wasn't the kind of character whose death would force them to stop re-asses their situation while brooding.

To harp on his death in the next scene and have it act as the catalyst for bringing this band of people together was beyond lol-worthy.

If you were right, the theater wouldn't have gotten dead silent during those scenes. If you were right, there wouldn't be users popping their heads in here and saying how they felt about that scene.

It's a matter of opinion, his death served a purpose in snapping them out of Loki's sort of manipulation, but by then it was almost too late and they got attacked.

I still don't understand what banner meant when he said he was always angry in the last fight. Didn't they say that he turns green when his blood pressure rises in the movies?

Right, it was just saying that Hulk is always "ON" and ready to be activated, I think.

He stood in front of that dragon thing because he knew it would summon the hulk. Not necessarily out of fear, but out of self preservation and necessity.

 

[Hawkian]

I was thinking this as a possibility but that just seems like showing off to no one for no reason. I'll go with it being a heat seeking arrow (like some poster said a few posts up) for now, since that seems semi plausible even though I'm pretty sure that's not at all what actually is going on there...lol.

Wait, what? I thought this was totally clear! He makes that shot while telling Iron Man about how he's noticed the vehicles can't bank worth a damn. Basically he called that shot while looking at the incoming vehicle, turned to focus on something else, and made the shot (with typical perfect accuracy) knowing that it wouldn't be able to bank out of the way in time.

 

[MisterAnderson]

Just to chime in on the whole Coulson debate; both times I saw the movie the theater gasped when he was stabbed and fell very silent when he died shortly after.

 

[Moaradin]

Just to chime in on the whole Coulson debate; both times I saw the movie the theater gasped when he was stabbed and fell very silent when he died shortly after.

Everybody loved Coulson in this movie. He was in every single Marvel movie leading up the Avengers and he was awesome up til his death.

 

[Regulus Tera]

This scene is both baddass and pisses me off at the same time. You'd think I'd be able to suspend disbelief in a movie that contains demi-gods, a billionaire wielding a nigh-indestructible super suit, cosmic cubes opening portals into space, and a giant angry green monster that can stop a 300 foot long flying worm thing with one punch... but seeing this totally made me go "that's impossible."

He's obviously cheating. The arrows probably have some sort of homing technology.

 

[noah111]

Just to chime in on the whole Coulson debate; both times I saw the movie the theater gasped when he was stabbed and fell very silent when he died shortly after.

Case in point. Also;

:')

Oh and serious bromance between these two,

And IRL too, some of their interviews together are hilarious. Real chemistry between this flock I think. Which is quite lucky.