Even if Europe is racist as fuck, there are no segregated proms, such a concept would be dismissed the moment it is proposed. If that is due to Europe's fair share of history, I don't know, but that's how it is.
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Even if Europe is racist as fuck, there are no segregated proms, such a concept would be dismissed the moment it is proposed. If that is due to Europe's fair share of history, I don't know, but that's how it is.
Same reason a black musician saying the n-word is no big deal, but if a white entertainer says it then they just committed career suicide .
SteveWinwood
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wont someone think of the white people
Bay Maximus
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lol, good one. On a serious note, I do like the refined, insidious racism of the well-to-do South. Instead of "fuckin naggers!", they're more like "I do find the coloreds rather unpleasant; surely you won't bring one to the estate?" That's my kind of racism baby.
Yeah, the South is rife with 18th century gentry these days.
DanteFox
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the hell? what time period are you from?
this thread is just a cyclone of stereotypes. Sadly quite a few people on the coasts think like this. They immediately associate the south with hicks.
JzeroT1437
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Europe, a continent so civil and advanced, it can't even comprehend historic racism.
Fascism, colonialism, Jewish ghettos, mass genocides--none of them ever happened in glorious, open-minded Europe.
Fascism, colonialism, Jewish ghettos, mass genocides--none of them ever happened in glorious, open-minded Europe.
Bay Maximus
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Speaking of MRE's, I just ate one a couple of days ago. Not too shabby honestly. Good work.
True.
Nice use of a qualifier but still ironic. Also, I found the coasts to be open minded relative to the South. Lived in both. Born and raised in neither.
To be fair, I associate the North with hot dogs so...
JzeroT1437
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I grew up in the South and now live in New York City. The people I know and things I hear in New York are far more racially charged than anything I heard in my youth; if anything, the South by and large suffers from kneejerk reactions against racisim. At least since I've been alive, the South has reflexively been gaining a more PC approach towards civil rights--and whoever said Southerners--an entire group of people--are idiots has some self-reflection due.
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Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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It is a sign of being completely out of touch. You basically dress up as a stereotype and help reinforce it, and the only reason some Europeans don't see it, is that we have never felt the same need to deal with our slavery past, probably because Europeans largely send them to their colonies.
So yeah, Europeans are racist as fuck, how else can you explain the open rise of racist parties across Europe (often hiding under the guise of simply wanting to limit immigration.)
So yeah, Europeans are racist as fuck, how else can you explain the open rise of racist parties across Europe (often hiding under the guise of simply wanting to limit immigration.)
Captain_Spanky
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And just for contrast the complete opposite of Mr. Olivier. Screamingly funny though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-7A5DiquI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-7A5DiquI
Agent_J
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so what's the answer?
serious question
why is one race allowed to be as racist as they want, yet another cannot even speak one racist word?
Captain_Spanky
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Because we, that is the whites, have a long history of horrific racial acts. It's seen as "fair". Now whether you think that's acceptable or not...
DanteFox
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It's just the way it is due to our history. It's not logical or fair, but it is what it is.
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we, the whites
Joe Shlabotnik
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The phrasing of this question is unwittingly revealing.
IrrelevantNotch
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Are you white?
shanshan310
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I gave up trying to understand US race relations a long time ago. Its just a big can of worms.
There are younger countries with significantly less race problems. New Zealand, for example seems to be doing very well and has an incredibly multicultural mix.
EDIT: oh wait I forgot there is only North America and Europe.
There are younger countries with significantly less race problems. New Zealand, for example seems to be doing very well and has an incredibly multicultural mix.
EDIT: oh wait I forgot there is only North America and Europe.
ToLateToLove
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Nah man, the racism in europe is greatly exaggerated by media. It definitely exists but it's not like some americans believe. Here on GAF a black dude asked if it would be safe for him to visit some european country. haha, wtf man.PoorFate said:
Also big difference between countries. Central/Eastern europe has a lot of racism towards Romani people though.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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Because we have shown we can't behave ourselves so we have been put on extra probation?
el retorno
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I've spend time with europeans, its not that exagerated. I'd heard absolutly crazy things about blacks and muslims. Its the same stuff. I've seen open racism all over europe. We also in the US don't have the BNP, New Dawn and Front National.
shanshan310
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Aaaaand the thread has already devolved in to "someone said USA is racist? But Europe is MORE racist!"
to be fair this particular thread was primed by the OP to be exactly that.
Mammoth Jones
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It's not about being "oversensitive". It's about the people that don't understand WHY it's offensive just being plain ole ignorant to the history of people that were stereotyped and mocked in that way.
http://black-face.com/
Next someone will ponder why they can't walk around in white sheets and white hoods without it being considered offensive and will call anyone offended by it "oversensitive"....
http://black-face.com/
Next someone will ponder why they can't walk around in white sheets and white hoods without it being considered offensive and will call anyone offended by it "oversensitive"....
I don't even know where to start with you.
it was part of the reparations act of 1983. Look it up and you can see all the terms and conditions that the whites in America have agreed to. restraint from blackface within comedic enterprises was one of the earlier terms agreed to since most people were tired of it by then. the most pressing issue was the ownership to the stereotype of who loves fried chicken and waffles, because fuck, who doesnt love fried chicken and waffles?
el retorno
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Not really its just pointing out that Europe doesn't really have much moral highground to talk from.
European moral superiority is really overrated.
shanshan310
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Well, not really, though it does seem to be US-gaf's defense mechanism. The OP never stated where he was from, so I don't know why there was this huge pile dive on specifically Europe. I'm not from Europe and I didn't know what black face was either until some thread about it a while ago. There are racists all over the world, everywhere. It seems odd to jump on one part of the world and say "at least we aren't as bad as them!". I would say everywhere is about as racist as anywhere else, its just expressed in different ways.
Mammoth Jones
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This. At the VERY least they have just as many racial tensions as the US.
SteveWinwood
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It was primed from the beginning.
Edit: welp beaten. Too slow on my phone.
There is no far right party here in Ireland and the BNP has been virtually wiped out at recent elections in the UK.
I realise that you've "spent time with Europeans", but you really shouldn't generalise. Same goes for the Europeans portraying Americans as backwards rednecks.
el retorno
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Its just an annoying thing. Every time health care, racism or whatever is brought up its always "the USA needs to catch up to europe" its annoying and ignores the very real problems Europe has.
Europe is not the moral leader of the world as many of their citizens want to believe.
shanshan310
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You guys are missing my point.
1. Europe is not the only other place in the world. Please, please stop saying this.
2. Everywhere in the world has racial issues. People tend to see them as worse than their own because they are expressed differently to the way people are racist back home. No. I would say no where is perfect. US has a very different history to a lot of other places, so I find it strange that comparisons are being made.
3. Other places having issues does not excuse your own.
Mammoth Jones
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There is no magical utopia. Especially when it comes to racism. Sure, it's easy to not have any racial issues if a nation is 99.999999% [Insert any ethnicity/race here]. But I think the US has definitely made substantial progress since the civil rights movement.
But taking offense to blackface isn't proof of our lack of progress on the issue. It's just a reality due to it REALLY terrible history.
el retorno
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Ok ireland is the bastion of enlightenment. Didn't know.
And everybody should just ignore the problems, we can't talk about countries having problems, we can't generalize, it offends people.
My point was to show europe isn't a place where people have "gotten over racism" it was to show that this USA=racism europe=progress is silly and just not true. I'm not trying to have a contest and I don't think the other americans are either. Its just to say "hey europeans, look at yourselves as well"
Nobody is saying any of this. The OP is clearly presenting this as a Europe v US issue. And nobody is excusing anything.
I was pre-law for three semestersin community college, and I've never heard of that act. I'm calling shenanigans.
Mammoth Jones
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1. No shit.
2. No shit.
3. No shit.
But people in the US generally being opposed to blackface portrayals is NOT a problem or an issue. But I mean, if people want to have a dialogue about it, I definitely welcome it. But I can't stand people that get pissy that certain people are being offended by blackface are just a bunch of mamby pamby whiners and then they have NO idea about the history of blackface in the US that made it offensive in the first place. Then back-peddle and say "Uh....so....so what?"
el retorno
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I don't disagree. I just hate it when euro-gaf decides to go on its little crusades about how progressive they are.
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Weird thread. OP's post seems to imply his country is so far past racism that they don't even conceive of it, which I find hard to believe.
Agent_J
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neither white nor black.
Mammoth Jones
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Mind clarifying your previous statement in greater detail?
Might want to read the OP, champ.
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