Good Job Bob
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Meh.
It was decent - needed more, or any, tension and emotion for me to really start writing home about it.
Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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It was decent - needed more, or any, tension and emotion for me to really start writing home about it.
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I'm drunk and a little bored, so I'll bite. What's a better example of the concept he's bringing up?
edit: no emotion at all? you didn't like Jarvis calling Pepper? :-[
Good Job Bob
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A better example of what? Big final battle? You think Avengers has the best final battle in the history of cinema?
Yeah, Jarvis calling Pepper was a nice touch.
Wow! That's clearly what I said. Excellent interpretation
I'm just wondering what surpasses it in your mind, and, perhaps more relevantly, what doesn't. Of course I'm not deluded enough to think it's the best in history.
So you have a heart.
PantherLotus
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Saw it finally tonight. I generally approach all stuff I want to see/play/read on a complete media blackout, so I'm glad I can visit the thread now. I have several thoughts, but beforehand know that I've never read comics at all, and I don't really give a shit about them. But I think superheroes kick ass and I want superpowers too. Thoughts:
1. Holy crap this film is absurd, whacky, over-the-top, ridiculous, forget suspension of disbelief, forget anything. This isn't a film, it's a ride. And it's awesome. Mostly.
2. Iron Man - RDJ steals absolutely every scene he's in and I still think he has the most compelling story of any of them.
3. Black Widow/ScarJo -- hot and pointless. I read back a few pages and someone pointed out the shame the her tricking Loki into revealing his plans with the Hulk were ultimately pointless. I share that disappointment. What did she do except get in the way of the Hulk, bring back Hawkeye, and catch a super scooter from outerspace and kill a few alien foot clan?
4. HawkEye -- excuse my suspension of disbelief, but bows and arrows? LOL. I know this makes me probably some caricature of a dumb no-comic average joe to you guys, but what a dumb superpower. On another note, Renner has turned in at least two disappointments in a row (this and MI:GP), unless I missed one. I like him, but...I can't put my finger on it.
5. Thor/Loki -- when this nonsense appeared, I just figured, fuck it, let's have fun. Hawkeye and Spy girl immediately made a lot more sense and I just kinda went with it. But let's pretend I'm going with it, I'm all suspendin' my disbelievin'. Every scene with Thor was utterly defenselessly terrible. Thor was probably a good film on its own. Does he talk like that all the time? And Loki's story is good, and the actor was probably under-utilized. But holy crap neither worked. When both were on screen it felt like a completely different film.
6. Hulk -- Ruffalo did such a fantastic job. I want to see him do a whole film based on his take of the character.
7. Fury -- SLJ wasted, but not his fault. He's entering this weird territory occupied previously by Christopher Walken where the actor is now bigger than any part he could possibly be squeezed into. I don't feel like SHIELD was explained well enough, but I'm pretty sure that's because of the implausibility of a floating mega fortress housing an inexhaustible source of energy/nuclear weapons would've been too hard to explain, gods and bows'n'arrow guys be damned.
8. What's the big deal with one of the characters getting killed I keep seeing everyone mention? Is that the guy with the nuclear gun "oh that's what it does"?
9. CA -- I'm convinced. I want to see that movie now.
10. The Aliens/Foot Clan/Sin from FFX -- fucking sweet. Dangerous but simple enough to kill to make this all plausible.
11. Who was that guy with the red face smiling after the initial credits, the one in space? Assuming he's some sweet new villain.
12. Overall, I had a lot of fun, and I really respect JW for pulling all this nonsense together. Now I want to go back and see Iron Man 2, Captain America, and Ruffalo Hulk needs to be made. I think it's important for non-comic guy to just go in with zero expectations and just have fun with it. I did. Pretty good action and some really sweet, over-the-top, eye-bleeding effects going on.
13. Did they ever explain how the air fortress thing stayed afloat after Iron Man only fixed one engine?
1. Holy crap this film is absurd, whacky, over-the-top, ridiculous, forget suspension of disbelief, forget anything. This isn't a film, it's a ride. And it's awesome. Mostly.
2. Iron Man - RDJ steals absolutely every scene he's in and I still think he has the most compelling story of any of them.
3. Black Widow/ScarJo -- hot and pointless. I read back a few pages and someone pointed out the shame the her tricking Loki into revealing his plans with the Hulk were ultimately pointless. I share that disappointment. What did she do except get in the way of the Hulk, bring back Hawkeye, and catch a super scooter from outerspace and kill a few alien foot clan?
4. HawkEye -- excuse my suspension of disbelief, but bows and arrows? LOL. I know this makes me probably some caricature of a dumb no-comic average joe to you guys, but what a dumb superpower. On another note, Renner has turned in at least two disappointments in a row (this and MI:GP), unless I missed one. I like him, but...I can't put my finger on it.
5. Thor/Loki -- when this nonsense appeared, I just figured, fuck it, let's have fun. Hawkeye and Spy girl immediately made a lot more sense and I just kinda went with it. But let's pretend I'm going with it, I'm all suspendin' my disbelievin'. Every scene with Thor was utterly defenselessly terrible. Thor was probably a good film on its own. Does he talk like that all the time? And Loki's story is good, and the actor was probably under-utilized. But holy crap neither worked. When both were on screen it felt like a completely different film.
6. Hulk -- Ruffalo did such a fantastic job. I want to see him do a whole film based on his take of the character.
7. Fury -- SLJ wasted, but not his fault. He's entering this weird territory occupied previously by Christopher Walken where the actor is now bigger than any part he could possibly be squeezed into. I don't feel like SHIELD was explained well enough, but I'm pretty sure that's because of the implausibility of a floating mega fortress housing an inexhaustible source of energy/nuclear weapons would've been too hard to explain, gods and bows'n'arrow guys be damned.
8. What's the big deal with one of the characters getting killed I keep seeing everyone mention? Is that the guy with the nuclear gun "oh that's what it does"?
9. CA -- I'm convinced. I want to see that movie now.
10. The Aliens/Foot Clan/Sin from FFX -- fucking sweet. Dangerous but simple enough to kill to make this all plausible.
11. Who was that guy with the red face smiling after the initial credits, the one in space? Assuming he's some sweet new villain.
12. Overall, I had a lot of fun, and I really respect JW for pulling all this nonsense together. Now I want to go back and see Iron Man 2, Captain America, and Ruffalo Hulk needs to be made. I think it's important for non-comic guy to just go in with zero expectations and just have fun with it. I did. Pretty good action and some really sweet, over-the-top, eye-bleeding effects going on.
13. Did they ever explain how the air fortress thing stayed afloat after Iron Man only fixed one engine?
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I hate sounding elitist but it bugs me how little you know on the subject of the avengers
10 disc set in a special awesome package might just make me consider double dipping.
Those deleted scenes sound great. Looking forward to "Steve Rogers - Man Out of Time" for a Peggy/Cap reunion.
PantherLotus
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I hate sounding elitist but it bugs me how little you know on the subject of the avengers
Revel in it! Me and a million of my friends are the reason you get to see this nerdgasm on screen in the first place. Just sharing my thoughts.
I'm going to answer a couple of things for you rationally before other Marvel nerds descend upon you with their wrath.
The villain shown in the credits is Thanos, which could be considered the Marvel universe's BIG BAD.
Yes, Thor does always speak like that, and if you watch the Thor movie, you'd get why.
The character that got killed was Agent Coulson, who showed up in previous Marvel films. He was fairly ancillary in each of them, though.
Hawkeye has extremely good aim. A master marksman. Not really a superpower, but I thought he held his own in the movie, as did Black Widow. They are the utility players, providing back-up where needed. They did a good job at that.
XiaNaphryz
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They needed at least 3 engines to stay up. Hawkeye knocked a 2nd out and they started going down, IM fixing the one he was working on brought them back up to minimum. I'd assume they managed to get computer control back to bring the shutdown engine back up after Hawkeye was knocked out and Loki left.
:O FUN TIME
1. HELL YEAH IT IS
2. I can't argue with that. Of any character onscreen, RDJ was born to play Tony Stark.
3. She closes the motherfucking portal to space herself. I do wish the "Banner you should remove yourself from this environment" scene had more impact, though.
4. Loved him. He has no superpowers. You're mean
5. Good up until the "utterly defenselessly terrible." I can't imagine how staggering the task of merging these universes must have been. Whedon pulled that shit off like gangbusters.
6. Oh hell yes, I am there.
7. I know exactly what you mean on this one.
8. Yes, that gun was based on a (really serious and engaging) not quite "character" introduced in Thor. But the character himself (Coulson) has appeared in almost every MCU film so far. It's Joss Whedon's propensity to mercilessly kill off fan favorite characters and yeah.
9. It's a pity you didn't see it beforehand. I didn't like it all that much, but it's improved quite considerably in retrospect.
10. Haha. Yeah. Look up chitauri/skrulls if you want more.
11. Thanos. One of the absolute most badass villains in all Marvel history. Top 3, seriously.
12.
do it.13. It needs 3 engines to stay afloat at any time (making one a backup). If you watch again, it starts to pitch violently when a second engine (don't remember which) is temporarily disabled.
PantherLotus
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0. I'm really at home among the nerds, so I welcome their supposed wrath.
1. Thanos, cool.
2. I was being mostly tongue-in-cheek about Thor. They pretty obviously tried (whomever concocted the comic) to squeeze Norse lore (Asgard, lol) into the real world. That's cool, but it really did feel ridiculously lame next to Iron Man and the Hulk.
3. Thanks for the clarification on Coulson. Which other films is he in?
4. Hawkeye has good aim, cool. Nobody giggles when they see him in one scene and a giant super mega floating air craft carrier fortress and aliens riding air scooters in the next? Oh, you have enough strength to stop an alien dragon the size of several football fields with a nose punch, and you have a nuclear-powered ultra-suit that essentially makes you a walking, talking WMD? That's cool, I got a bow.
But seriously, I get it. Just kinda making fun of it a little.
PantherLotus
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between this and one/other GoT threads, me and you are now friends whether you like it or not. Thanks for the sincere answers.
But I stand by my the Black Widow jokes. I don't see any reason why she was needed to close the portal herself. Grab the scepter, shove it in.
On another note, how/why did the astrophysicist "know what he was doing" when he created a way for it to be defeated? That dialogue didn't really make sense -- either he built an uh-oh button and then let the portal open anyway, thus making him humanity's ultimate d-bag, or he was talking about something else that I didn't exactly catch.
Agent Coulson was in Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor. Actually he might've been in The Incredible Hulk, but I'm not too sure about that. It's been a long time since I've seen it.
Oh, and he was also in this amusing short called "Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1uD5_ovwqg&feature=related
Oh, and he was also in this amusing short called "Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1uD5_ovwqg&feature=related
Muaha
You have no idea. In Thor, you can catch a glimpse of an object known as the Infinity Gauntlet, which ties in heavily with his story and makes him (nearly) omnipotent if he acquires it.
More or less I have no objections to this.
Off the top of my head.. Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and Thor?
Lol, you have no problem with Black Widow? Is it cause she's hot?
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I want the Premieum Thor one but Holy Odin at the price. I'd have to save up just for one. Thankfully the same price hopefully prevents others from buying it before me.
DrForester
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He's been in both Iron Man films, and played a more visible role in Thor.
Good Job Bob
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Coulson doesn't have a substantial role in any of the films, just small cutesy appearances.
You probably wouldn't get the fanboy outrage even if you watched them.
DrForester
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He was all over the place in Thor as SHIELD was more present in that film than any of the others.
Apparently he did enough to become the battle cry of the Avengers to finally team up and do something.
I found that stupid as hell.
He introduces the audience to the threat. The fact that you might not remember this, and/or the fact that it wasn't his character you were focusing on, are crucial parts of any ensemble script and Whedon working his magic, IMO.
Bah. Tony was the one that needed the most prodding, and the one he had the most involvement with.
PantherLotus
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Well I don't really have a problem with Black Widow because, at least with a completely blank slate that I went in with, she seems like a female James Bond with a neat way to get people to tell her what they're trying to hide (in some universes called "being extremely hot.")
But if she pulled out a crossbow or a rapier or some absurdly outdated weapon? Get out.
But if she pulled out a crossbow or a rapier or some absurdly outdated weapon? Get out.
Good Job Bob
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That's nice, but it's still not anything substantial or character building.
As EviLore put it, it makes you feel embarrassed for the film.
I wonder what Whedon's original idea for the Avenger's catalyst was.
crimsonspider89
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Ahem, a bow is usually more lethal and ignores kevlar unlike a gun but requires more armstrength and better aim and a more steady arm. Plus trick arrows which would be harder to put in bullets. So yes, a bow is a badass weapon.
EDIT: Fanboy, friend of Tony and Thor. That is the reason. Just an everyday guy who was in these over the head and had a belief in superheroes. AKA a nerd. So Coulson is us.
EDIT: Fanboy, friend of Tony and Thor. That is the reason. Just an everyday guy who was in these over the head and had a belief in superheroes. AKA a nerd. So Coulson is us.
PantherLotus
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Hehe.
Yes yes, and Sucker Punch, FFVI-XIV, and every other Japanese-influenced nerd media over the past three decades featured both swords and guns. Doesn't mean it's smart. But swords are lot more cool than bows n' arrows!
PantherLotus
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^Hey, it was fun! At least it was consistently absurd. And when you're dealing with crazy women trapped in an asylum, anything's game -- and believable. "Oh, you want to fight a giant robot samurai while riding a dragon and shooting a rocket launcher? That's cool, but you better be wearing knee-highs."
More lethal than what? "Arm strength?" OooK. Why couldn't he just shoot trick bullets like Angelina Jolie in that one terrible film where it's eventually revealed they're fighting for a giant quilter?
More lethal than what? "Arm strength?" OooK. Why couldn't he just shoot trick bullets like Angelina Jolie in that one terrible film where it's eventually revealed they're fighting for a giant quilter?
Thunder Monkey
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Watched it last night. Technically.
Best Hulk I've ever seen. Swear it looks like when Cap says "And Hulk." Hulk is going to tear him apart, only to have Cap say "Smash." and a sense of glee appear on Hulks face.
I'll love this movie if only for Hulk. Ruffalo's Banner is also great. Of course RDJ is awesome. I thought Evans did well, ScarJo was pretty badass, Renner did pretty good with very little, and Loki... he was one big punching bag.
Best Hulk I've ever seen. Swear it looks like when Cap says "And Hulk." Hulk is going to tear him apart, only to have Cap say "Smash." and a sense of glee appear on Hulks face.
I'll love this movie if only for Hulk. Ruffalo's Banner is also great. Of course RDJ is awesome. I thought Evans did well, ScarJo was pretty badass, Renner did pretty good with very little, and Loki... he was one big punching bag.
PantherLotus
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Loki reminded me a lot of Wormtongue. That actor might have done a little more with the role.
Geezus you're going to have to remind me the particulars of how he introduced the audience to the threat.
I did just remember that he had a short scene with Thor on the helicarrier (and of course with Tony and Pep).
Thunder Monkey
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Hey he was a great punching bag.
edit: I'll admit to feeling some tears at Son of Couls death.
edit: I'll admit to feeling some tears at Son of Couls death.
Little Green Yoda
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I thought this was the weakest part of the final battle. The convenience of including a "backdoor" of sorts even though he was being mind controlled reeks of lazy writing.
Thunder Monkey
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I took it as "Loki just asked me to build it, so I did, exactly the same way I would have for Shield. With a fail-safe." This allows me to enjoy without thinking about inconsistencies.
PantherLotus
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That's fair, except the whole part where he confessed some knowledge of doing so while being under mind control.
Thunder Monkey
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Was that before or after getting slammed into the wall? I can't remember.
edit: Oh wait I see. Well yeah that's a glaring inconsistency. Hawkeye couldn't remember anything.
The Broken Ska Record
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Yea, Norton wasn't bad as Banner, but Ruffalo was fantastic at it in Avengers. I really hope they do a Hulk movie with Ruffalo now.
Thunder Monkey
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I'll be there day 1!
Especially if Hulk can have funny moments like he did in this one. Make his villain the Leader. Hulk has to punch him when he's saying something ego-maniacal.
Haha, yeah, it's like the first sequence in the movie.
"How bad is it?"
"That's the problem, sir. We don't know."
"Dr. Selvig read an energy surge from the Tesseract four hour ago."
"NASA didn't authorize Selvig to test the Tesseract."
"He wasn't testing it, he wasn't even in the room."
Hawkeye absolutely could remember fragments, else he wouldn't have been so disturbed when he came out of it.
Thunder Monkey
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That's true.
Meh, I don't especially care. I have a bigger issue with the amount of time Thor was just hanging out in that field staring at his hammer. He have a mental breakdown or something?
Aw, are you kidding?
He was reconsidering whether or not he was worthy to wield Mjolnir, seeing as he considered himself the cause of the entire crisis having been banished to Midgard in the first place.
That's one of my favorite character moments in the film.
TheVampire
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I though Hawkeye in this was awesome.
Sure he has now superpowers but he has god like aim with that bow which makes up for it.
And what about how he nailed Loki with that arrow and it exploded knocking him off his flying thing only for the Hulk to then get a chance to finish him off.
Sure he has now superpowers but he has god like aim with that bow which makes up for it.
And what about how he nailed Loki with that arrow and it exploded knocking him off his flying thing only for the Hulk to then get a chance to finish him off.
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