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[neorej]

Eva Longoria as Wasp works fine with me.



Galactic villains or a villain ensemble that match the Avengers in power.

GIANT PURPLE CLOUD!

 

[noah111]

My copy just arrived after everyone recommended it in the thread. I was going to read it tonight.. noo...

Don't listen to the haters. I can post you any single comic book pane or dialog box and it'll sound like shit without context.

 

[Good Job Bob]

dat whedon

He truly is a genius.

My copy just arrived after everyone recommended it in the thread. I was going to read it tonight.. noo...

Don't listen to those idiots, Ultimates 1/2 are great and even Ultimates 3 isn't half-bad.

 

[shanshan310]

Huzzah! Well, I've just got Ultimates 1. Gonna go read it now

 

[noah111]

Guys, hate to break it to you but that Eva pic was taken back in 2008. It means pretty much nothing at this point. People are assuming Eva due to that shot years ago, and Fillion due to Whedon.

Nothing more.

 

[Hex]

This. Bring in Bishop to get rid of everything Brett Ratner did in X3.

Days of Future past is one of the best storylines ever, why would you put a piece of crap like Bishop anywhere near it?

 

[Good Job Bob]

Guys, hate to break it to you but that Eva pic was taken back in 2008. It means pretty much nothing at this point. People are assuming Eva due to that shot years ago, and Fillion due to Whedon.

Nothing more.

I want Ellen Wong to be Wasp anyways:

She's already worked with Edgar in this past so...

 

[Mr. Sam]

Ultimates 3 isn't half-bad.

I was with you until here. Whereas people complain about Ultimates 1 & 2 not sticking close enough to 616, Ultimates 3 is pretty much a 616 story. A badly written one.

 

[noah111]

I honestly don't care who they cast for Wasp, almost anyone could work. It's easy. Pym will be a bit more difficult, though.

And just to put the Eva rumors to death, here's what she said back then;

On Whether The Rumors Are True:

"I keep hearing about that. I think it’s an Internet rumor as of now...I love comics stuff. I do, I think it's fun, but I don't know anything about that character. I don't know who or what that is. I know she's small! I've got to talk to somebody about that. I've got to Google her."

On What She Thinks About The Rumor:

"I think it’s a fantastic rumor! We're just going to go with it. Maybe it'll get me hired!"

On Why Exactly She Met With Marvel:

"I had taken a meeting about a different movie at Marvel, and that’s where the rumor started. When I was walking out, paparazzi caught me walking out and they thought I was going in to meet about that."

 

[Callibretto]

I dont want nathan fillion as antman because that will just fucked up fillion schedule for castle...

 

[Trigger]

I was with you until here. Whereas people complain about Ultimates 1 & 2 not sticking close enough to 616, Ultimates 3 is pretty much a 616 story. A badly written one.

It also lost any real subtlety that Millar's earlier work on the series had. Loeb really screwed fans over with the whole sub-plot and Ultimatum.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Joss Whedon:

This would be the best, honestly. That's why I think the idea of Masters of Evil, Ultron or something Civil War-esque (not the same, but the basic premise of a fight between the heroes) are much better for it. Those work better to explore the characters, whereas fighting Thanos is more of an epic battle.

He is a flawless choice. And I'm not even a Firefly fan boy.

Me neither, but total Castle fangirl. He could make me care about Ant-Man the same way RDJr. did with Iron Man, this is taken from Cracked:

Alright, then let's start at the beginning. Regular comic-readers already know what we're about to say: Iron Man (the movie) was the best thing to happen to Iron Man (the comic) ever. Ever. Robert Downey, Jr. is a suave, quick-witted and charming son of a bitch; the kind of guy it's impossible not to like, and he brought a lot of that to Iron Man. If you didn't know any better, you just might think that Tony Stark was a likable, lady-killing badass.

 

[Mr. Sam]

It also lost any real subtlety that Millar's earlier work on the series had.

When you're being less subtle than Mark "Storyboard" Millar, you know there's a problem.

 

[Slayven]

I was with you until here. Whereas people complain about Ultimates 1 & 2 not sticking close enough to 616, Ultimates 3 is pretty much a 616 story. A badly written one.

My problem with the Ultimates is they take one note from a character and take it too the extreme. I hate no problem with that, they tried to hide it behind modernizing characters.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Ultimate Hulk, ladies and gents.

This is really terrible, wow. Jusl..wow.

 

[Slayven]

This is really terrible, wow. Jusl..wow.

LOL yeah they totally missed the point of the Hulk.

 

[noah111]

I think the main problem with the sequel is getting it to work well with the younger audiences. With a big blockbuster hit with action and quips, it's easy. But when you start making a "real film" it gets complicated.

 

[Good Job Bob]

I think the main problem with the sequel is getting it to work well with the younger audiences. With a big blockbuster hit with action and quips, it's easy. But when you start making a "real film" it gets complicated.

Spiderman 1/2?

Shouldn't be too hard for Whedon; the guy is a genius after all.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

Yeah, I vaguely remember that. Trying to picture every Ruffalo scene in this with Norton instead..... it's difficult.

I think he would've come across as a very different character. Norton played Banner as sort of cocky and angsty. Ruffalo's is more laidback but also sort of timid.

 

[Mondriaan]

If RDJ is the person who got Ruffalo to join the cast of Avengers, he should continue making those calls on casting. If that means no Fillion, so be it.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Could you imagine Ruffalo in TIH? I can't.

 

[Boombloxer]

Could you imagine Ruffalo in TIH? I can't.

Nah, it's a trickier comparison not just because of actors, but also because of the character growth--Norton was deathly afraid of transforming, while Ruffalo has it under some control.

The hand-twitching was another nice touch.

If there is another Hulk film, it should probably be closer to the X-Filesque run they did in the comics. A lot of the other storylines don't exactly fit in the MCU.

 

[BeautifulMemory]

Is there a gif of when Hulk says puny god? That shot of his head is full of swag

 

[Hawkian]

Is there a gif of when Hulk says puny god? That shot of his head is full of swag

True, even though I couldn't hear it on my 4th viewing, the shot of him is indeed glorious. good taste on multiple fronts btw

 

[BeautifulMemory]

True, even though I couldn't hear it on my 4th viewing, the shot of him is indeed glorious. good taste on multiple fronts btw

Loved that little tilt of his head after he said it!

 

[neorej]

I think he would've come across as a very different character. Norton played Banner as sort of cocky and angsty. Ruffalo's is more laidback but also sort of timid.

Isn't that how Banner was written though. I felt like Ruffalo's Banner was a logical progression of what happened at the end of TIH;

 

[Jintor]

I want Ellen Wong to be Wasp anyways:

WOWSERS.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

Isn't that how Banner was written though. I felt like Ruffalo's Banner was a logical progression of what happened at the end of TIH;

Personally, I didn't really like Norton's Banner. To me, the Hulk is more interesting when there's some sort of struggle between Banner and Hulk. Otherwise he's just a dude who can get real strong.
Norton came off as more in control but also kind of cocky, whereas Ruffalo was in control (somewhat) but was wary about transforming. Hulk is sort of the unadulterated rage and strength boiling up in a timid man but if the otherside of the Hulk is kind of a psuedo-tough guy then the character loses a lot of what makes it interesting (IMO).

edit:
Case and point with the picture you posted from the end of the movie. What we see at the end of TIH is Banner getting control over his transformations and grinning devilishly into the camera. That doesn't really gel with Ruffalo's Banner, who really has no interest in becoming the Hulk and seems to be a traumatic experience for him.

 

[Xamdou]

$9,438,156 more and The Avengers will take the #3 All time dometic spot from The Dark Knight:

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm

And $22.3 million more to beat Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 to take the #3 All time WorldWide spot!

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

 

[neorej]

Personally, I didn't really like Norton's Banner. To me, the Hulk is more interesting when there's some sort of struggle between Banner and Hulk. Otherwise he's just a dude who can get real strong.
Norton came off as more in control but also kind of cocky, whereas Ruffalo was in control (somewhat) but was wary about transforming. Hulk is sort of the unadulterated rage and strength boiling up in a timid man but if the otherside of the Hulk is kind of a psuedo-tough guy then the character loses a lot of what makes it interesting (IMO).

edit:
Case and point with the picture you posted from the end of the movie. What we see at the end of TIH is Banner getting control over his transformations and grinning devilishly into the camera. That doesn't really gel with Ruffalo's Banner, who really has no interest in becoming the Hulk and seems to be a traumatic experience for him.

The first scene of Ruffalo tends to contradict your statement; he semi-transforms just to fuck with ScarJo's mind.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Personally, I didn't really like Norton's Banner. To me, the Hulk is more interesting when there's some sort of struggle between Banner and Hulk. Otherwise he's just a dude who can get real strong.

I like Ruffalo's Hulk because Ruffalo was in control, but that meant that he could slip off the edge that much easier.

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

The first scene of Ruffalo tends to contradict your statement.

I agree. I think many people misremember Norton's Banner. He was solemn and resigned to his fate. He was quite far from being self-assured. The two characters aren't dissimilar. Ruffalo's Banner came across as more unhinged, probably because he tried to top himself and failed.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

The first scene of Ruffalo tends to contradict your statement; he semi-transforms just to fuck with ScarJo's mind.

Does he semi-transform? From what I saw he just yelled at her to determine her intentions.
But even still, there's also the rest of the movie where he has no interest in turning into the Hulk and just wants to do science-stuff (until of course, he has his transformation at the end, which is his moment where he finally thinks some good can come from "the other guy").

I just felt that they made Banner (and to some degree Hulk) too angsty in TIH to counter the claims that Ang Lee's Hulk was too wimpy.

Again, just my opinion.

Ruffalo/Banner: I don't get a suit of armor. I'm exposed like a nerve. It's terrifying.

 

[AMUSIX]

Ruffalo's Banner came off as being scared of Hulk, heck, he could barely say the Hulk's name. I just didn't see the same from Norton.

 

[neorej]

Does he semi-transform? From what I saw he just yelled at her to determine her intentions.
But even still, there's also the rest of the movie where he has no interest in turning into the Hulk and just wants to do science-stuff (until of course, he has his transformation at the end, which is his moment where he finally thinks some good can come from "the other guy").

I just felt that they made Banner (and to some degree Hulk) too angsty in TIH to counter the claims that Ang Lee's Hulk was too wimpy.

Again, just my opinion.

Maybe it was just me, but I think I caught a glimpse of green in his eyes as he slams the table.

In that final transformation he showed far too much confidence to make you believe he "thinks" good can come from using Hulk. He knows. That little smile right before he turns, he knows and he is going to layeth the smacketh down.

I think all the films show a growth in character from Banner; in Hulk, Banner is scared of what lives inside of him, in TIH he tries to fight it, by the end of TIH you see he embraces it and goes for control over "the other one" (as they gently put it in Avengers). He has quite some control before the film's over (as shown by the shot I posted above), I can only guess he extends this level of control between TIH and Avengers.

During Avengers, he remains calm and relaxed, because there are effectively two Hulks; the one he controls and comes from the breathing exercises shown in TIH and the one that is born from pure rage and is totally out of control.

 

[Jintor]

The first scene of Ruffalo tends to contradict your statement; he semi-transforms just to fuck with ScarJo's mind.

It's all him, he's just acting.

 

[AMUSIX]

I think all the films show a growth in character from Banner; in Hulk, Banner is scared of what lives inside of him, in TIH he tries to fight it, by the end of TIH you see he embraces it and goes for control over "the other one" (as they gently put it in Avengers). He has quite some control before the film's over (as shown by the shot I posted above), I can only guess he extends this level of control between TIH and Avengers.

I absolutely agree with this, however....

During Avengers, he remains calm and relaxed, because there are effectively two Hulks; the one he controls and comes from the breathing exercises shown in TIH and the one that is born from pure rage and is totally out of control.

...upon second viewing, I don't think the 'wild' hulk comes just from rage. The way the scene is filmed leading up to him hulking out on the helicarrier, it is obvious that Loki (or, the staff, rather) is manipulating Banner's transformation/control. Actually, the staff is affecting them all negatively, the long camera flip into the upside-down argument being framed by the staff is a clear indication of this...and then for Banner to grab the thing, it just breaks down the walls of control that he has worked to build up.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

...upon second viewing, I don't think the 'wild' hulk comes just from rage. The way the scene is filmed leading up to him hulking out on the helicarrier, it is obvious that Loki (or, the staff, rather) is manipulating Banner's transformation/control. Actually, the staff is affecting them all negatively, the long camera flip into the upside-down argument being framed by the staff is a clear indication of this...and then for Banner to grab the thing, it just breaks down the walls of control that he has worked to build up.

Pretty much. The staff made Banner uneasy and aggresive and Hawkeye triggered the transformation, exaggerating what Banner was feeling. Same way his anger usually turns into full blown Hulk rage.

 

[thechristoph]

I'm really digging all this Hulk discussion here. I've seen (and enjoyed) Ang Lee's Hulk, and I've seen Avengers, but I haven't seen TIH. It's on my shortlist now.

A question, do the films jive with each other? I know that TIH is the same world as Avengers, but is Ang Lee's Hulk part of that? Or should it be taken completely separately?

 

[Hex]

I'm really digging all this Hulk discussion here. I've seen (and enjoyed) Ang Lee's Hulk, and I've seen Avengers, but I haven't seen TIH. It's on my shortlist now.

A question, do the films jive with each other? I know that TIH is the same world as Avengers, but is Ang Lee's Hulk part of that? Or should it be taken completely separately?

They follow each other.

 

[Auron_Kale]

Is there a gif of when Hulk says puny god? That shot of his head is full of swag

True, even though I couldn't hear it on my 4th viewing, the shot of him is indeed glorious. good taste on multiple fronts btw

Yep. He has that 'I don't give no fuck' swag on. But the high-pitched whining sound coming from Loki as Hulk struts away (Tony called that for sure when he said that Banner needed to strut), that was classic.

 

[shanshan310]

I agree. I think many people misremember Norton's Banner. He was solemn and resigned to his fate. He was quite far from being self-assured. The two characters aren't dissimilar. Ruffalo's Banner came across as more unhinged, probably because he tried to top himself and failed.

Norton's banner had a personality? News to me.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

I want Ellen Wong to be Wasp anyways:


She's already worked with Edgar in this past so...

I'm okay with this.

 

[.GqueB.]

Personally, I didn't really like Norton's Banner. To me, the Hulk is more interesting when there's some sort of struggle between Banner and Hulk. Otherwise he's just a dude who can get real strong.
Norton came off as more in control but also kind of cocky, whereas Ruffalo was in control (somewhat) but was wary about transforming. Hulk is sort of the unadulterated rage and strength boiling up in a timid man but if the otherside of the Hulk is kind of a psuedo-tough guy then the character loses a lot of what makes it interesting (IMO).

edit:
Case and point with the picture you posted from the end of the movie. What we see at the end of TIH is Banner getting control over his transformations and grinning devilishly into the camera. That doesn't really gel with Ruffalo's Banner, who really has no interest in becoming the Hulk and seems to be a traumatic experience for him.

This is kind of the fault of the writing is it not? I see no reason why Norton couldn't do just as well with the same material.

 

[SilentProtagonist]

This is kind of the fault of the writing is it not? I see no reason why Norton couldn't do just as well with the same material.

While I'm not blaming Norton for his portrayal, he did have a pretty big input on the screenplay and production of the movie.

 

[Blader]

This is kind of the fault of the writing is it not? I see no reason why Norton couldn't do just as well with the same material.

That would still make it Norton's fault :lol

 

[Hawkian]

They follow each other.

This is not at all accurate, is it?

 

[Dram]

Ang Lee's Hulk is separate. Norton's Hulk is in the same timeline as the Avengers movie.

 

[Feran]

Been lurking here on and off but thought I'd let you guys know that ordering for the Hot Toys Iron Man Mark VI Avengers just opened, if any of you were interested.

 

[richiek]

Someone just made a Helicarrier case for the Marvel Cinematic Universe films:

http://davesgeekyideas.com/2012/05/13/avengers-collection-blu-ray-case/