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maharg said:
Hahahaa oh god. I love Alien, but this is easily the funniest thing I've read all day.
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You have absolutely no idea how close his joke is to the very first draft of Alien. Originally, the Chest Burster was supposed to represent an actual cock.

You see, the original idea of Alien was for it to be a horror story for straight men.
 
Jack Scofield said:
Wow, some people are defending the stupidity in Alien with the argument "the characters are stupid, therefore they are allow to do stupid things in the movie"?

Time to hang it up, guys.
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I think we are supposed to assume that scientists would have a more suited protocol for what to do when encountering something, even if it is biologically incoherent with the way laws of physics work on Earth, or how we understand matter.


Its not as though what they are encountering gives them a good amount of time to consider more logical approaches to things, so I agree with you to an extent.
 
Staccat0 said:
Also, these fools took their helmets off.
They were willy nilly with that "preserved head" they found
The villain thought they could strut up to an alien god and ask for eternal life
The guy with the high tech mapping devices couldn't access that info on his HUD
Furthermore, the guy looking at the 3d map with location points for everyone was pretty fucking useless to the people trapped inside
Homeboy was obviously infected, but told no one like a character in a zombie movie
The scientists were operating off blind faith
One guy gave the, "I'm not here to make friends speech" for no discernable reason (not really dumb but boy was it silly)
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For me, the biggest 'WTF' moment was with the autodoc machine. Charlize Theron stated her goal to minimize risk, which is why she used the lifeboat as her personal quarters and (presumably) why she had the expensive autodoc in the lifeboat with her. If the autodoc was meant primarily for her, then why was it only programmed to operate on men?
 
Staccat0 said:
I think that, when you are trying to tear down one of the greatest horror films of all time to defend something that is AT BEST a pretty good movie, perhaps you should hang it up.
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I don't have the energy to explain to people that rough necks not being worried about quarantine when their friend's chest suddenly explodes and a monster escapes onto the ship is probably normal human behavior. Or that they DIDN'T even break quarantine in Alien, the fucking villain did. If people aren't going to make serious arguments, why bother.

Anyway, if the people in Alien are stupid and so are the people in Prometheus, I don't know how that suddenly makes people who didn't enjoy it wrong.
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Alien is definitely not one of the greatest horror films of all time. It is suspenseful sure, but one of the greatest horror films of all time? Fucking hell...
 
Sean2 said:
I think we are supposed to assume that scientists would have a more suited protocol for what to do when encountering something, even if it is biologically incoherent with the way laws of physics work on Earth, or how we understand matter.
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Do you think that justifies the whole team removing their masks as soon as they hear there's air?
 
GavinGT said:
For me, the biggest 'WTF' moment was with the autodoc machine. Charlize Theron stated her goal to minimize risk, which is why she used the lifeboat as her personal quarters and (presumably) why she had the expensive autodoc in the lifeboat with her. If the autodoc was meant primarily for her, then why was it only programmed to operate on men?
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She lied. It was for Peter Weyland.

Sean2 said:
I think we are supposed to assume that scientists would have a more suited protocol for what to do when encountering something, even if it is biologically incoherent with the way laws of physics work on Earth, or how we understand matter.


Its not as though what they are encountering gives them a good amount of time to consider more logical approaches to things, so I agree with you to an extent.
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Maybe David gave everyone brain damage while they were asleep... just to see what would happen.



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"OH DAVID!"
 
dustytruly said:
my cousin brought up a question to me today that i wasn't entirely able to answer:

why did david put the black goo in holloway's drink?

i just assumed that david didn't like holloway and wanted to experiment what would happen if he did it, or possibly david did some analysis and plotted something with the old guy.

i dunno, just wondering if anyone caught something i didn't or i'm just forgetting a part
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Weyland told David "Try Harder" .. so he did.

Given the options available, mutating someone was one alternative, since the Engineers were dead as far as he knew.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
Alien is definitely not one of the greatest horror films of all time. It is suspenseful sure, but one of the greatest horror films of all time? Fucking hell...
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Alien was one of the first films to introduce a powerful woman role, an art direction strongly influenced by bio-mechanical themes, to take a unique approach on sexual themes in science fiction, and to feature one of the most beautifully built sets in the history of film making.

I think your standards need a reevaluation.
 
Sean2 said:
I love that this movie introduces questions. I don't like that the amount of unanswered questions is leading to criticism of the films quality.

Discussing these things is fun, but not if the end game is saying, "All right, that makes sense. This movie is better now."
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You miss my point I think?
I have said several times in this thread that the movie would be better with LESS answers. I don't want answers. I hate answers in horror. answers aren't scary.

Maybe I explained poorly. Probably :D

I'm saying that, Alien is one of the greatest films of all time because it focuses on building characters, a setting, and it invests the audience in the crew's emotions. A movie like that can BE fuckiong dumb if it wants. No one notices because they are wrapped up in it.
When people die in Alien, everyone is freaking the fuck out. We get to know every crew member and then we watch them slowly crumble. THAT'S the story. THAT'S the hook. The Alien looks cool, but he's not what gets us invested in the film. He's actually barely in it at all.

Prometheus, presents itself as a thoughtful and intelligent movie, but the characters are muppets. Half the crew dies in one scene by a zombie version of another crew mate and people barely get a chance to react before the film moves on. People get stuck in the cave and no one seems to care. We understand that this girl is sad her BF got toasted, but we never get time to see her grief. We barely see people afraid. We barely see people having fun and hanging out. When you do that, people NOTICE the dumb stuff. they aren't fully invested and so they start thinking about shit.
YOU CAN DO THAT IN FILM... but your script has to be tight.
 
I think Tomb Raider displayed better archaeological principles than the crew in the Prometheus. They just free form it. Walk around, see something and contaminate the entire ship.
 
Erigu said:
Still pretty damn stupid to have such a machine be configured for males only...
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Peter Weyland's a greedy dick.

In my estimation. It's a super advanced future auto surgery machine, and they can't put two sets of programs in it?

Weyland Industries has been fucking people over for a long, long time.
 
Sean2 said:
Alien was one of the first films to introduce a powerful woman role, an art direction strongly influenced by bio-mechanical themes, to take a unique approach on sexual themes in science fiction, and to feature one of the most beautifully built sets in the history of film making.

I think your standards need a reevaluation.
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I never said it wasnt a great fucking film. I just challenge the notion it was a great "horror" film. It had horror elements to it, but I found it more Sci-fi/suspense. My standards are just fine buddy.

GavinGT said:
Alien is one of the greatest movies of all time.
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This is more correct. I find it false labeling it as a horror film. Maybe thats just me though. Also, Alien is better than Aliens by a large fucking margin.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
Alien is definitely not one of the greatest horror films of all time. It is suspenseful sure, but one of the greatest horror films of all time? Fucking hell...
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It's pretty broadly considered among the greatest FILMS of all time. I was being generous. You have to remember, most people seeing that movie didn't know what a facehugger was. They didn't know what the alien looked like. They didn't even know WHO THE MAIN CHARACTER WAS. It was revolutionary in a lot of ways.
Ripley. The design. The sense of claustrophobia. the sense of irrational doom.
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In 2002, Alien was deemed "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant" by the National Film Preservation Board of the United States,[9] and was inducted into the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress for historical preservation alongside other films of 1979 including All That Jazz, Apocalypse Now, The Black Stallion, and Manhattan.[8] In 2008 the American Film Institute ranked Alien as the seventh-best film in the science fiction genre as part of AFI's 10 Top 10,
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So while you are allowed to think what you want, I wouldn't get to swearing about it.
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Clayton Bigsby said:
I never said it wasnt a great fucking film. I just challenge the notion it was a great "horror" film. It had horror elements to it, but I found it more Sci-fi/suspense. My standards are just fine buddy.
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That's not a distinction worth making IMO.
Sci-Fi is as much if not more than a genre and suspense and terror are largely related in the language of literature in film. the distinction would only exist for the sake of arguing with people on the internet.
I can set a romantic comedy in space and call it sci-fi. I can't make a good movie with elements of terror without suspense IMO.

I don't know when you last saw it, but it's literally a slasher film. It's just so well executed and dressed up, people forget. It's a monster stalking trapped people and kill them one at a time as the people freak the fuck out, cry and try to run or hide.
 
Right here... the answers to everything:

http://enchantedmitten.blogspot.ca/2003/12/reading-previous-entries-in-this-series.html

(This was originally linked from another post that contained a massive spoiler warning, but since it's now being passed around on social media without that reference, let me emphasize that YOU SHOULD UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T YET SEEN PROMETHEUS AND INTEND TO DO SO AND DON'T WANT MAJOR PLOT POINTS REVEALED. The post is dated 8.5 years ago specifically because I wanted to make sure nobody stumbles onto it by accident.)
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I will say that the impact, and therefore enjoyment, of the movie was greatly reduced by my overanyzing of the trailers. It led me to come up with my own ideas of how the plot was going to play out, and invariably my ideas were better ( to myself at least) than what played out in the screen.

The internet is a merciless hype machine.
 
Staccat0 said:
It's pretty broadly considered among the greatest FILMS of all time. I was being generous. You have to remember, most people seeing that movie didn't know what a facehugger was. They didn't know what the alien looked like. They didn't even know WHO THE MAIN CHARACTER WAS. It was revolutionary in a lot of ways.
Ripley. The design. The sense of claustrophobia. the sense of irrational doom.
So while you are allowed to think what you want, I wouldn't get to swearing about it.
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Hey, before being a condescending asshole, why dont you read the thread instead of digging for ammunition to prove me "wrong". Which you actually did not do. Because while you were googling for that link, we were actually discussing things in this thread.
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Clayton Bigsby said:
I never said it wasnt a great fucking film. I just challenge the notion it was a great "horror" film. It had horror elements to it, but I found it more Sci-fi/suspense. My standards are just fine buddy.
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I don't think anything 100% horror has ever amounted to much. Everything has some suspense.


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^^^ hahaha. "Prometheuses"
 
Sean2 said:
I don't think anything 100% horror has ever amounted to much. Everything has some suspense.
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I just find it disingenuous to call it horror. It never felt like a horror film the numerous times I watched it. It is one of my favorite films though. I love science fiction, and I also love suspense. Add them together and it is great. But it seems those two things come hand in hand a lot of the time.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
You know, this right here just made the Alien mythology amazing.

Weyland-Yutani is trying to weaponize a species that was created as a weapon against us.
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Need yet another way to kill folks I assume.

Staccat0 said:
I'm hoping Wal-Mart shapes them up.
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Watch, the big corporations of the future are Weyland, Yutani, and Wal-Mart. I want to see the horror movie where Wal-Mart tries to colonize Mars or some shit.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Peter Weyland's a greedy dick.

In my estimation. It's a super advanced future auto surgery machine, and they can't put two sets of programs in it?

Weyland Industries has been fucking people over for a long, long time.
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Weyland
"Building better worlds, Killing the people on them with unhelpful technology UI"
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
Hey, before being a condescending asshole, why dont you read the thread instead of digging for ammunition to prove me "wrong". Which you actually did not do. Because while you were googling for that link, we were actually discussing things in this thread.
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You should probably chill out re-read what I said? I said you should are free to your opinion, I just don't think it warrants an exhausted "fucking hell..." sorry if that somehow makes ME condescending to you.

Also, I apologize that I take time to post and think my thought through. I'm really not being an asshole though, I definitely haven't called you any names.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Right here... the answers to everything:
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You know what, I take back everything. Fuck this movie. Leaving humans with coordinates to a moon where they were hiding weapons of mass destruction intended for said humans, with their ships ready to go back to earth to unleash said weapons of mass destruction is a plot hole I cant deal with....at least that prologue was pretty...

Staccat0 said:
You should probably chill out re-read what I said? I said you should are free to your opinion, I just don't think it warrants a "fucking hell..." sorry if that somehow makes ME condescending to you.
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Lmao, I cant tell anymore if you are being condescending intentionally or ignorantly. You do make me laugh though.
 
The problem with Prometheus is unfortunately simple. They didn't spend any time developing the characters. In reality, the scale of the movie and the content was akin to the Trillion dollar mission of the film. Expensive Visual Effects, Cast, Direction, advertising, but no one cared about the actual mission-- of making a coherent movie--. The reference-to-the-lore, I wont say actual lore, as its fuck all at this point, and the art direction was bigger than the writing, and it was secondary here. I didn't care about any of the characters in the film, and I don't know anything about any of the characters in the film. The writing failed its job completely.

David, the robot, was the stand out performance of the film. That should say something right there. No one had realistic reactions to any of the films action. Thats why people were laughing during the film. I mean a woman died running in a straight line like it was some 70's sci fi movie. All the speculation aside. It was a piss poor film, ignore the Alien franchise. As a movie, it was horrible.

I can remember the emotions from the characters in Alien, Aliens, and hell, even Alien 3, wait. yep, even Alien 4. Prometheus had facades of characters that didn't even care about their fellow characters in the film, let alone the audience.

Just a shame. But the writing really let down this movie.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
You know what, I take back everything. Fuck this movie. Leaving humans with coordinates to a moon where they were hiding weapons of mass destruction intended for said humans, with their ships ready to go back to earth to unleash said weapons of mass destruction is a plot hole I cant deal with....at least that prologue was pretty...
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Unless the purpose of the planet is not for humans to show up and get killed. Maybe that simply the closest Engineer outpost to Earth. Yes, they have weapons there, but there seemed to be a group of Engineers living there.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
You know what, I take back everything. Fuck this movie. Leaving humans with coordinates to a moon where they were hiding weapons of mass destruction intended for said humans, with their ships ready to go back to earth to unleash said weapons of mass destruction is a plot hole I cant deal with....at least that prologue was pretty...
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dat prologue. It was reminiscent of X-men and how amazing the movie seemed like it was going to be. Then it never really panned out. A lot of promise and some stellar set pieces.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Unless the purpose of the planet is not for humans to show up and get killed. Maybe that simply the closest Engineer outpost to Earth. Yes, they have weapons there, but there seemed to be a group of Engineers living there.
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Which just so happens to house their bio-weapons that they cant even control. I dont know. I liked this movie a hell of a lot more before entering this thread....
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
You know what, I take back everything. Fuck this movie. Leaving humans with coordinates to a moon where they were hiding weapons of mass destruction intended for said humans, with their ships ready to go back to earth to unleash said weapons of mass destruction is a plot hole I cant deal with....at least that prologue was pretty...
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Simple.

There are two factions of Engineers.

One, a peaceful, scientific type (the round spaceship guys) and the warlike military type (the horseshoe ship guys).

Peaceful guys stole the goo, seeded a new planet, came back to see how things went. Got some painting made of them, everything is relatively good.

Other faction is out there just wanting to tear shit up. Hates the peaceful guys, even chases them as seen in the hologram possibly. (or likely unleashes a tentacled horror on them)

Warlike guys have a map of all the places the peaceful guys visited/seeded.
 
Cth said:
Simple.

There are two factions of Engineers.

One, a peaceful, scientific type (the round spaceship guys) and the warlike military type (the horseshoe ship guys).

Peaceful guys stole the goo, seeded a new planet, came back to see how things went. Got some painting made of them, everything is relatively good.

Other faction is out there just wanting to tear shit up. Hates the peaceful guys, even chases them as seen in the hologram possibly. (or likely unleashes a tentacled horror on them)

Warlike guys have a map of all the places the peaceful guys visited/seeded.
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This would make sense. Unfortunately nothing in this film suggests this lol. But I do appreciate the effort, I really did like this movie more before when I was ignorant of that plot hole.
 
Do we know that it was always a weapons store-house? It could have been something (relatively) recent.

For all we know, there was a rogue Engineer and the Engineer equivalent of Jack Bauer wasn't able to stop him DAMN IT!
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
This would make sense. Unfortunately nothing in this film suggests this lol. But I do appreciate the effort, I really did like this movie more before when I was ignorant of that plot hole.
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I'd say it does. The disc like ship has the engineer sacrificing himself at the beginning. Only violence there is really the beauty of creation.

The horse shoe ship, visually, is on a desert planet, silicone storms, and all of them are dead and worshiping Xenomorphs seemingly. The Hologram had them running from either themselves, or an unseen tentacle beast, which was no where to be found. So the lack of evidence isn't really evidence. There were no alien bodies, just Engineers.

Although, the writing fucking sucked and couldn't save itself. I think these little things stood out pretty well.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
This would make sense. Unfortunately nothing in this film suggests this lol. But I do appreciate the effort, I really did like this movie more before when I was ignorant of that plot hole.
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*shrug*

Why the two different types of ships? 2000 years and they're advanced enough to engineer species, interstellar travel, etc..

In a movie where everything is seemingly an intentional choice design wise, why muddle things with a second ship if not to suggest that very thing?

But if you want to let some moronic LOLsite change your opinion, that's fine.. I'm just saying there's ways of rationalizing things if people chose to use their imaginations.

I'd rather wait until the dvd to see if there's any cut scenes or directors commentary that clarify things before saying "OMG PLOT HOLE!"

Here's some more plot holes..
http://www.cracked.com/article_16625_8-classic-movies-that-got-away-with-gaping-plot-holes.html

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Also, it'd go a long way to explaining the name of the film, despite no genuine examples of the Prometheus myth exist in the film. And yes, I know there's that interview where Scott says someone at Fox named it.
 
commedieu said:
I'd say it does. The disc like ship has the engineer sacrificing himself at the beginning. Only violence there is really the beauty of creation.

The horse shoe ship, visually, is on a desert planet, silicone storms, and all of them are dead and worshiping Xenomorphs seemingly. The Hologram had them running from either themselves, or an unseen tentacle beast, which was no where to be found. So the lack of evidence isn't really evidence. There were no alien bodies, just Engineers.

Although, the writing fucking sucked and couldn't save itself. I think these little things stood out pretty well.
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I thought it was obvious that the same engineers that made life intended to destroy it, to create Xenos. David even stated this"Sometimes to create, we must first destroy". But this could also be interpreted to reference the original sacrifice of an engineer to create life. But I took it to mean both.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
I thought it was obvious that the same engineers that made life intended to destroy it, to create Xenos. David even stated this"Sometimes to create, we must first destroy". But this could also be interpreted to reference the original sacrifice of an engineer to create life. But I took it to mean both.
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I felt like that was David telegraphing his own motivations and how they involved weyland and the coprp vs. the crew's safety. He's willing to crack a few eggs, put a drop of black ooze in a dude's drink and risk everyone's life to save daddy and make an omelet. I don't know how much or how little David knew about the Engineer's motives, because I never got a clear sense of how much of the writing on their walls he could read or what it said or what he knew going in.
 
Staccat0 said:
I felt like that was David telegraphing his own motivations and how they involved weyland and the coprp vs. the crew's safety. He's willing to put a drop of black ooze in a dude's drink and risk everyone's life to save daddy and make an omelets. I don't know how much or how little David knew about the Engineer's motives, because I never got a clear sense of how much of the writing on their walls he could read or what it said or what he knew going in.
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would be hilarious if David was just pokerfacing the whole thing. Engineers are future apple developers, 1 button to do everything.

Re; Cut Scenes..

there has to be a entire cut MOVIE on the cutting room floor. I just can't believe the characters are this shallow. Even independence day had an extra 30 hours dedicated to Randy Quaids family.
 
commedieu said:
David, the robot, was the stand out performance of the film. That should say something right there.
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And it's not so much because he made sense as character... There are some potentially interesting ideas here and there, taken separately, but his motivations are quite fuzzy overall. In the end, his purpose in the movie mostly seems to be to troll, troll and troll some more. While that (combined with Fassbender's performance) certainly makes him more entertaining to watch than the other characters, that's not saying much, and I don't know that I'd call that good writing.
 
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