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Mammoth Jones said:
Bullshit. Sorry but if you're in the service industry you need to grow thicker skin. People tip as a courtesy. If you can't deal with not being tipped ONCE in a while then it's time to look for a new job.

All I'm saying is it's voluntary. Not mandatory.
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HAHAHA! They should be so lucky that not getting tipped once is the problem. You can go entire shifts without being tipped/only being tipped once or twice.

Mael said:
Even here where tip is basically seen as absolutely extraordinary we would tip someone who would provide a delivery service with a snowstorm.
I really love how the boss forcing the employee to use his personal car and pay for the gas is not seen as the asshole in the situation though. I'm also pretty sure that illegal here, so that would also explain why we wouldn't think that's a valid reason.
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It usually goes up to franchise owners insisting on remaining open during snowstorms and firing people who try to opt out. We once ran out of stock during a snowstorm, but the Regional Manager insisted everyone stay inside until a delivery truck from the other side of the state came in so we could continue to sell food into the night. Ugh, I do not miss those days.
 
JB1981 said:
so you don't think the added convienence of having hot food delivered to your doorstep by a person using his own gas and putting the mileage on his own car, is worth a tip, in most cases? OK. I guess I will just never, ever see eye to eye with some of you guys. It's a weird European thing I guess.
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As a person who has worked at multiple restaurants and jobs that required home delivery (consumer electronics), I've always avoided the tip based position for sometimes less but consistent paycheck. Even worked at PF Changs for a short time (part time position) and refused to work 2.50 plus tips and opted for 9.50/hourly -- the position sucked, I was the fill-in guy who primary polished (more like cleaned) and rolled up silverware and served/bus tables (sometimes) for anywhere between 6-10 hrs but hell if it didn't pay off in the end. I never felt like it was the customers obligation to cough up for a portion of my paycheck out of pocket, I left that responsibility up to my employer.

And yes, I'm a US citizen. I'll never endorse the tipping mentality . I guess it comes from starting work primarily in retail where stuff like this isn't a concern and rightfully so.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
It usually goes up to franchise owners insisting on remaining open during snowstorms and firing people who try to opt out. We once ran out of stock during a snowstorm, but the Regional Manager insisted everyone stay inside until a delivery truck from the other side of the state came in so we could continue to sell food into the night. Ugh, I do not miss those days.
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Well I can really understand the case of extreme weather, I mean the guy is risking quite a bit during some harsh weather.
Bu the everyday stuffs? The boss must provide for the added expense of the employees, not the other way round.
They can pass of the cost to the customers, but to expect the customers to cover it so blattantly is really rotten.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Okay, so something is wrong with the industry as a whole. Now what?
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Well, Step 1 would be not to pass the problem onto the consumer.

Step 5 would be fixing the monumental social issue of workers being exploited, lack of unions, worker's rights vs company's rights, etc that is endemic in the US. I do not know what the steps in between are.
 
Seriously shoulda tipped. I'm guessing she was just the last straw. I actually have nothing wrong with the rant, if he would have kept it personal instead of indicting an entire ethnic group.

Allow me to explain: You tip for good service, right? Somebody calling you after delivering a pizza and cursing at you is not good service, right? Well, she got what she paid for. lol
 
Mael said:
Well I can really understand the case of extreme weather, I mean the guy is risking quite a bit during some harsh weather.
Bu the everyday stuffs? The boss must provide for the added expense of the employees, not the other way round.
They can pass of the cost to the customers, but to expect the customers to cover it so blattantly is really rotten.
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It really is a rotten system. The problem is, franchise owners can get away with it as long as the customer can pass the cost right back down to the delivery driver. The driver obviously has to eat the cost and can do little but hope for a better opportunity.
 
BrLvgThrChmstry said:
As a person who has worked at multiple restaurants and jobs that required home delivery (consumer electronics), I've always avoided the tip based position for sometimes less but consistent paycheck. Even worked at PF Changs for a short time (part time position) and refused to work 2.50 plus tips and opted for 9.50/hourly -- the position sucked, I was the fill-in guy who primary polished (more like cleaned) and rolled up silverware and served/bus tables (sometimes) for anywhere between 6-10 hrs but hell if it didn't pay off in the end. I never felt like it was the customers obligation to cough up for a portion of my paycheck out of pocket, I left that responsibility up to my employer.

And yes, I'm a US citizen. I'll never endorse the tipping mentality . I guess it comes from starting work primarily in retail where stuff like this isn't a concern and rightfully so.
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Yea I'm sure if you hustled as a server you would have made a lot more money than collecting a salary. And the servers there didn't polish their own silverware? I've never worked in a chain restaurant, only small family-owned ones.
 
Sunflower said:
Because they do that anyway - and the big corporations pocket that money, and people think the "delivery fee" goes to the driver, when it does not. Therefore, you have customers stiffing the drivers because they think they paid for their tip - but they actually didn't.
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"Delivery fee"? Lol where the hell do you live.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
HAHAHA! They should be so lucky that not getting tipped once is the problem. You can go entire shifts without being tipped/only being tipped once or twice.
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That's the risk you take when you accept a job where your income fluctuates based off of random chance of people choosing to tip or not.
 
JB1981 said:
so you don't think the added convienence of having hot food delivered to your doorstep by a person using his own gas and putting the mileage on his own car, is worth a tip, in most cases?
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that's an issue of them being screwed over by their employer. They should take it up with them.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
It really is a rotten system. The problem is, franchise owners can get away with it as long as the customer can pass the cost right back down to the delivery driver. The driver obviously has to eat the cost and can do little but hope for a better opportunity.
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I can't exactly sympathize with the issue of people we're supposed to tip because really the service is in the price already. The tipped guy is paid for a job after all, the pay cover for everything or else why is he even getting a salary?
 
I never tipped a pizza delivery guy and I don't intend on doing so. She/He's getting paid by his/her employer ffs. If the job isn't fulfilling your financial needs then work extra shifts or find another job instead of expecting handouts.

Also, regardless of how "disgruntled" he was, there was no need for that pizza delivery guy to say those things. Goodness me.

and for shame at the people saying " lol, she shoulda tipped". for shame.
 
All restaurants should automatically add 15% to all deliveries. If the customer doesn't want to pay it, they can drive their ass to the restaurant to pick it up themselves. Seriously. I've never been in the food service industry, but I'm sick of reading about people not tipping. I mean, they don't deserve to get hit with a stream of racist bullshit, but they should be called out.
 
I don't see any problem with a restaurant dropping a $5.00 minimum delivery charge. But people would freak the hell out about it.

I usually drive up to the place myself and pick it up. Not sure why, but I prefer to pick it up than have it delivered. Now I have wondered if they are expecting a tip from me in that situation.
 
why doesn't the US government just get rid of the whole tipping culture
ALL companies have to pay the deliverers at least minimum wage + pay for the gas too + company vehicle/motorcycle provided

BOOM make that a law

in the US workers have to deal with soooo much BS you guys have allmost no rights
no surprise since the US is run by corporations but still

just wtf
 
Mael said:
I can't exactly sympathize with the issue of people we're supposed to tip because really the service is in the price already. The tipped guy is paid for a job after all, the pay cover for everything or else why is he even getting a salary?
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Re-read my posts. The employer assumes the driver makes adequate gratuities. What it comes down to is the employer and the customer both having the option to pay the driver, and neither side really being legally required to provide anything beyond minimum wage, which is terrible considering out-of-pocket car maintenance and gas.

Sadly, "get a better job" isn't always an option for people, but folks never seem to understand that.
 
A lot of non tippers will just say it isn't their responsibility to tip the driver and pay their wage but if you live in the US then yeah, it kind of is. You might disagree but it's the social norm which means a majority of people agree with it. All you're really doing by not tipping is coming across like a jerk. Whats strange to me is a lot of times in threads like these, people are ok with tipping a waitress but not a driver. Why not? They also make a below minimum wage pay rate and also use their own vehicle. Papa Johns, Pizza Hut, Dominos, and plenty of other big chains rely on you the customer to make up the difference, just like with waitresses and restaurants. But at the end of the day the waitresses pocket all of those tips. Drivers have to take care of gas, wear and tear on their car, and keeping it up to date and insured.

I think every one of those 3 chains I mentioned are right now being sued in court by large groups of their drivers over wages and the amount they are compensated by the stores for each delivery. Some places don't give the driver any of the charge at all. The ones that do only give them maybe a dollar or so. If the drivers win in court you can expect some changes to the prices at these chains.
 
"It's not my fault restaurants don't serve their staff a living wage!"
*restaurants raise their prices by the exact amount of a tip*
"THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!"
 
Keru_Shiri said:
No shit, Sherlock. I love these gaffers that can do perfect risk-analysis of any job they enter. Must be nice having options.
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You can spout snide quips all day but that doesn't change anything. If you don't weight the pro's vs cons of any job you take that's your problem. If you accept the risks that the job has then don't bitch about it.

If I take a job based on a portion of my income being voluntary tips...there stands a good chance that I'm going to have some over nights and some under nights. I believe everyone in the service industry gets that, why don't you?

And options are always good. Last I checked no one's putting a gun to anyone's head to wait a table or deliver pizza.
 
MrHicks said:
why doesn't the US government just get rid of the whole tipping culture
ALL companies have to pay the deliverers at least minimum wage + pay for the gas too + company vehicle/motorcycle provided

BOOM make that a law

in the US workers have to deal with soooo much BS you guys have allmost no rights
no surprise since the US is run by corporations but still

just wtf
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Commie.
 
Wait wait wait . . .

We are fucking discussing HER NEED TO HAVE TIPPED and the general need to tip rather than the fucking nutjob who threatened her life and lost his fucking shit over two dollars? Really?

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Stet said:
"It's not my fault restaurants don't serve their staff a living wage!"
*restaurants raise their prices by the exact amount of a tip*
"THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!"
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Heh. Funny thing is, the restaurants will only pocket the difference instead of handing out higher wages.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
You can spout snide quips all day but that doesn't change anything. If you don't weight the pro's vs cons of any job you take that's your problem. If you accept the risks that the job has then don't bitch about it.

If I take a job based on a portion of my income being voluntary tips...there stands a good chance that I'm going to have some over nights and some under nights. I believe everyone in the service industry gets that, why don't you?

And options are always good. Last I checked no one's putting a gun to anyone's head to wait a table or deliver pizza.
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Yes, there are tons of jobs growing on trees out there. Pretty sure this guys choices were being a delivery guy who relies on tips or being unemployed.
 
She is in a college of some sort? I can't even understand her.... Eh, West Virginia standards?


As for the dude, that was a bit on the uncalled for side (well actually a lot), but she should have tipped and I almost would have taken back the pizza if she says she didn't have enough to tip even a buck or something.
 
JB1981 said:
Yea I'm sure if you hustled as a server you would have made a lot more money than collecting a salary. And the servers there didn't polish their own silverware? I've never worked in a chain restaurant, only small family-owned ones.
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I sure I could have but I didn't want to worry about the ups (nice pay) and downs (scheduled a bad shift, assigned crappy tables or empty section, inconsistent pay etc.), even in commission based sales jobs, I've had fellow employees who would blow my check out the water one week and the following couple of weeks barely make half of what I make. I'm not a fan of the that type of climate change when it comes to money. Even the one small restaurant job I had a few years ago. I requested an hourly salary, and got it because I kind of knew the owner. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should do this or assuming they are in a position to do anything like that. I just want it to be understood why I don't and never will endorse tipping.

And yeah, some if not most, chains have a silverware roller position I believe or at least places that I've worked. And its always open. For good reason. No one wants to do it.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
You can spout snide quips all day but that doesn't change anything. If you don't weight the pro's vs cons of any job you take that's your problem. If you accept the risks that the job has then don't bitch about it.

If I take a job based on a portion of my income being voluntary tips...there stands a good chance that I'm going to have some over nights and some under nights. I believe everyone in the service industry gets that, why don't you?

And options are always good. Last I checked no one's putting a gun to anyone's head to wait a table or deliver pizza.
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Uh, read my fucking posts? This is the last time I'm responding to you, since you're clearly not reading what I write.

I get that there's an over/under on pay having, you know, actually worked that job. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head (unless the drivers getting robbed, but you know, whatever) but bills still have to be paid. You don't always have an option to just take another job. Mc Donalds is not always hiring.
 
WickedCobra03 said:
She is in a college of some sort? I can't even understand her.... Eh, West Virginia standards?

As for the dude, that was a bit on the uncalled for side (well actually a lot), but she should have tipped and I almost would have taken back the pizza if she says she didn't have enough to tip even a buck or something.
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That would have been going too far.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
Re-read my posts. The employer assumes the driver makes adequate gratuities. What it comes down to is the employer and the customer both having the option to pay the driver, and neither side really being legally required to provide anything beyond minimum wage, which is terrible considering out-of-pocket car maintenance and gas.

Sadly, "get a better job" isn't always an option for people, but folks never seem to understand that.
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I read it well, in the end the employers wants to provide a delivery service and he's basically expecting that part of the cost to run the delivery service is not even properly covered by himself!
It's shitty, it's like the post office not paying the mailman enough and expecting people to tip the mailman for the service to be covered!
It's shitty as all hell.
 
Jackpot said:
It's your employer's job to pay your wages, not the customer's. If you're so desperate you have to rely on charity to supplement your pay something is wrong with the industry as a whole.
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Society in general assumes that the customer will pay 15%, and the employee's salary is based on that assumption. You might not like the system, but being in denial about it doesn't make you any less of a [insert insult of your choosing here] for taking away part of someone's regular income.
 
Do you guys tip your mail man too?


Stet said:
"It's not my fault restaurants don't serve their staff a living wage!"
*restaurants raise their prices by the exact amount of a tip*
"THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!"
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Is that why prices aren't much different from US ones even in other countries where such a tipping culture doesn't exist?
 
Pizza companies are the worst when it comes to tips, you get charged extra for delivery, and are also supposed to tip the delivery guy.
 
joshlee said:
I'm a delivery driver at pizza hut. There is a 2 dollar delivery charge on any order. we get $1.30 of that. and that barely pays for the gas, just depends on how far the run is. But I have never had to replace anything on my car. and within a few months of working there, I've had to get a new starter and replace both front axles from the wear and tear of delivering.

Sure we still get paid minimum wage unlike waitresses, but a tip is necessary to simply maintain the vehicle. My average tip is 2-3 bucks and that's all I need to be satisfied. yesterday a bunch of kids ordered 50 bucks worth of food and stiffed me, shit like that can really infuriate some people.
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Don't bother. I went down this road on GAF to no avail. Also where do you deliver? In most states drivers can and do get paid below the minimum wage?
 
What is the price of a large pizza from Domino's pizza in the US?

BobLoblaw said:
All restaurants should automatically add 15% toall deliveries. If the customer doesn't want to pay it, they can drive their ass to the restaurant to pick it up themselves. Seriously. I've never been in the food service industry, but I'm sick of reading about people not tipping. I mean, they don't deserve to get hit with a stream of racist bullshit, but they should be called out.
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Or pay their drivers a better wage.

It seems to me that people try to justify tipping by saying food would be 15% more expensive if it wasn't required. That may be true to an extent, but the problem I have with this argument is, tipping isn't actually based on the price of the food. A large pizza from Domino's pizza I imagine would be more expensive than a large pizza from a smaller pizza place. It just tends to be that way. You usually find that some smaller pizza places have better quality ingredients as well.

I have no issue with tipping as long as it is optional. I really don't like this culture of tipping though in the US where not only is it expected, employees rely upon it. It just fuels this kind of attitude when occasionally they don't get the tip they were expecting.
 
Fuck tipping. It's getting out of hand. There is a tip line when you go and pick the food up yourselves. Pay with a credit card and some jerk is standing over you watching you fill out the receipt with the tip line. And I'm black, so I feel like I have to, to repay for tip-less reparations. Fuck that, where's my 40 acres and a mule? I'm tired of paying other black people's tip-less reparations. I just want to be able to not tip and not feel bad about it. Sometimes.
 
Jackpot said:
It's your employer's job to pay your wages, not the customer's. If you're so desperate you have to rely on charity to supplement your pay something is wrong with the industry as a whole.
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Charity? hahhahaha oh man, this is good.

I can already tell today will be a good day.
 
Kusagari said:
Yes, there are tons of jobs growing on trees out there. Pretty sure this guys choices were being a delivery guy who relies on tips or being unemployed.
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It's an assumption either way, how about we both don't do that and stick to the topic at hand?

The job is what it is. He accepted. Sometimes you'll get great tips, sometimes not. It is what it is.
 
Metalmurphy said:
Do you guys tip your mail man too?




Is that why prices aren't much different from US ones even in other countries where such a tipping culture doesn't exist?
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How is a federal job a good comparison to a dude delivering pizzas?


leadbelly said:
What is the price of a large pizza from Domino's pizza in the US?



Or pay their drivers a better wage.

It seems to me that people try to justify tipping by saying food would be 15% more expensive if it wasn't required. That may be true to an extent, but the problem I have with this argument is, tipping isn't actually based on the price of the food. A large pizza from Domino's pizza I imagine would be more expensive than a large pizza from a smaller pizza place. It just tends to be that way. You usually find that some smaller pizza places have better quality ingredients as well.

I have no issue with tipping as long as it is optional. I really don't like this culture of tipping though in the US where not only is it expected, employees rely upon it. It just fuels this kind of attitude when occasionally they don't get the tip they were expecting.
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skinnyrattler said:
Fuck tipping. It's getting out of hand. There is a tip line when you go and pick the food up yourselves. Pay with a credit card and some jerk is standing over you watching you fill out the receipt with the tip line. And I'm black, so I feel like I have to, to repay for tip-less reparations. Fuck that, where's my 40 acres and a mule? I'm tired of paying other black people's tip-less reparations. I just want to be able to not tip and not feel bad about it. Sometimes.
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Sorry, I'm confused, you feel obligated to tip people because you're black? Did I read that right?
 
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