Microsoft Surface Tablet announced

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It's the software that matters and nothing Microsoft makes for that market is untried or unproven.

Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed too, but it's maybe a touch premature to declare this the new defactor standard. s'all I'm sayin'.

Also, Windows Metro = still mostly unproven. need I remind you of previous revisions, you never know.
 
Apple's supposedly got a digitizer on the way. An optical one, which I imagine could work with the Mac too.

Adobe's not taking sides quite yet, because they quietly worked with Apple to get their apps ready for the new MBP's retina display.
Adobe is working to build support for the new Macbook Pro's Retina Display into Photoshop.
No information has been released yet as to when the Photoshop update for Retina Display Macbook Pros will be released, nor whether Adobe will update the rest of Creative Suite 6 (CS6) for the new display.
 
This is not going to pull me back to Windows. I'm happy in the Apple ecosystem. That's not to say I couldn't shift if I wanted to, all my music is DRM-free and could easily be ported over. I don't have much invested in apps.

I don't see how anyone can really be a prisoner of an ecosystem these days
, it's not that difficult to switch if you really want to.

Really, given what you just posted? Lots of people have lots invested in apps. Are you sure you don't? I mean, it's you, I kind of can't believe you don't. Anyway, if you (royal you) have hundreds of dollars worth of apps (and worse, the apps are not available outside the ecosystem), that is a significant anchor.
 
I don't think the question was asked as "could" as in "is the hardware capable" but rather "could" as in "will it be made compatible/allowed/supported".

And that really makes no difference what my answer is going to be to the question, or how I'll discuss it.

Why would they create hardware capable of playing XBLA games in particular, ignoring that this hardware by default would be capable of Xbox 360 games?

"You can't put DVDs in it" isn't an answer.
 
USB 3 is awesome and stuff, but please give me a folder I can off-load files onto with the limit only being how much space you have left on the flash drive.

Also, please let me install a full version of photoshop.

That is all.
 
I don't see how anyone can really be a prisoner of an ecosystem these days, it's not that difficult to switch if you really want to.

I'm trapped by Adobe and Pixologic. My licenses for Photoshop (Adobe Creative Suite subscription, actually), Lightroom, and ZBrush are for OS X. If I wanted to switch back to Windows I'd have to buy new versions of Lightroom ($150) and ZBrush ($700) and try to sell my old licenses. Not sure if the Adobe subscription is convertible, either.
 
I would imagine that the battery life on the Surface Pro will be comparable or slightly better than the Macbook Air 11" (similar hardware I expect, the MBA has a 35W-h battery, and the Surface Pro has a 42W-h battery)...
 
Hmm, I like:

16:9 - better format for my comics.

USB port for Xbox controller for games.

My iPad is sweating nervously right now.
 
This is not going to pull me back to Windows. I'm happy in the Apple ecosystem. That's not to say I couldn't shift if I wanted to, all my music is DRM-free and could easily be ported over. I don't have much invested in apps.

I don't see how anyone can really be a prisoner of an ecosystem these days, it's not that difficult to switch if you really want to.

If you have several hundred dollars worth of apps, or a ton of movies that you purchased from itunes, Amazon, or MS that all have horribly limiting DRM. It can be really unpleasant.

I'm going to lose all of my awesome board game apps if I switch over, as well as about $125 in field guide apps.
 
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(not-MagSafe port)

MS applied for a patent for that port. Like the MagSafe, but both data and power goes through.
 
im not a huge fan of tablets, nor ms, but color me impressed. this product definitely has my interest...

and smh at apple fanboys, if this was an apple presser and the surface had an apple logo on it you would be jizzing everywhere and lining up around the block already lol...

rip android tablets
 
you'd roll out this untried, unproven, 1st-rev tablet to a whole school board based on a logo?

Come on dude. You have Ipads which are basically standalone devices in an enterprise environment then you have this which can be integrated into your current ADS along with full MS office compatibility. Manage wise this is good news. You would indeed test a couple of units first before going to the board requesting Surface tables for all schools lol.
 
$5-600 makes the RT model competitive with iPad. Anything under $1k for the Pro makes it a real rival to MacBook Air. This could get interesting.
How is it competitive with the iPad at the same price without a decent app store and a shit screen? Pro is a whole different market...
 
The actual tablet is kinda ugly, looks like the old plastic laptops i used in high school.

The keyboard is a great idea though, and damn Metro looks good.
 
Really, given what you just posted? Lots of people have lots invested in apps. Are you sure you don't? I mean, it's you, I kind of can't believe you don't. Anyway, if you (royal you) have hundreds of dollars worth of apps (and worse, the apps are not available outside the ecosystem), that is a significant anchor.
Yeah I guess you're right. And video too I guess, which remains tied to the platform. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't have much invested in either, most of my purchased content is music which is easily transferrable.

How is it competitive with the iPad at the same price without a decent app store and a shit screen? Pro is a whole different market...
I said it would be competetive, I didn't say it would win.

Also your ability to judge a screen you've never seen is astounding.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed too, but it's maybe a touch premature to declare this the new defactor standard. s'all I'm sayin'.

Microsoft are the de facto standard. You could take this thing into any school or business and it would work. That's the point.

It's Windows. It has all the usual shit Windows has that businesses and schools use.
 
The RT version doesn't really interest me, but the Pro version sure is interesting. However, it's also kind of a weird thing. It's bound to be a very expensive tablet while simultaneously being a pretty weak, and still expensive, laptop (although that goes for ultrabooks as well, I guess). So it kind of seems like it won't be doing either of those two things as well and/or cheaply as a regular tablet or laptop would, except of course for being able to be both of those things at once. And that's pretty damn cool, of course. Ah, not really sure what I think of this yet. Gonna need full specs and a price point.
 
yes, we know that. but confirmation is always good.


pretty sure it was confirmed not to be the case.


android tablet dead in the water?
not until Microsoft has a robust Store.

then...yes. but that's some years from now, really. store won't grow to 300,000 apps in a year or something.
 
The screen is too good?

They'll obviously have the UI elements zoomed in a bit.

Who will have what UI elements zoomed in?

We are talking about running Windows 8.

You can do font scaling, you can zoom, etc.. but not all software really scales well.

Not all software supports any sort of zooming, and if you enable things like font scaling in Windows itself, it can really screw up some software.. text goes outside the bounds of it's labels, etc.
 
Yeah I guess you're right. And video too I guess, which remains tied to the platform. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't have much invested in either, most of my purchased content is music which is easily transferrable.


I said it would be competetive, I didn't say it would win.

i really don't understand this "platform investment" thing that people keep talking about, really.. If you change platforms, you have to destroy every single product from the other platform you own? Are all those "hundreds of dollars" that people claim are being "invested" in a platform just disappears?

Back in my days, I had both a Genesis and a Super Nintendo and that sounded like the best idea ever. You can't keep your current "insert device from platform here" and invest on something else and be a part of both eco-systems?
 
That video...why do people selling this kind of stuff make such crazy videos. I did like the video metaphors they spliced in, but this dark bass-step shit seems like such a terrible decision to market this. Hell the UI is more fruity and colorful than the iPad's too! Hopefully that was a one-off.

But damn, if this things is as slick to use as they are hoping, I might be letting go of my iPad in favor of one of these when its time to upgrade. Dat keyboard cover combo. Dat stylus. Dat i5.
 
And that really makes no difference what my answer is going to be to the question, or how I'll discuss it.

Why would they create hardware capable of playing XBLA games in particular, ignoring that this hardware by default would be capable of Xbox 360 games?

"You can't put DVDs in it" isn't an answer.

Who is ignoring? What are you going on about? Simply asked If the xbl app in Windows 8 can be used to access arcade titles. I suggested nothing about the hardware not being capable of playing 360 games in my original question, nor do I care if it did. You chose to go off that tangent for some strange reason.
 
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