Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
how is this surprising? One competes with the tablet market. The other the laptop/computer market.
The stylus would make the thing pricey as hell, especially if it's precise.
Well that's typical MS, Vista Pro/Starter/Premium/... But the fact that the Pro version isn't on display is a bit off. Clearly that's the one that will be the most "omg amazing" since the RT version is an iPad with a fancy keyboard.
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Industrial design is the most beautiful I've seen of any tablet.
Will wait for reviews of both versions. I likely won't buy, but who knows. Will be interesting to see if desktop programs are actually usable with just touch, or if RT can stand on its own without proper Windows' massive app compatibility.
Will wait for reviews of both versions. I likely won't buy, but who knows. Will be interesting to see if desktop programs are actually usable with just touch, or if RT can stand on its own without proper Windows' massive app compatibility.
I don't think the question was asked as "could" as in "is the hardware capable" but rather "could" as in "will it be made compatible/allowed/supported". That's why people ask if a tablet, a device where software is added digitally, will be able to run XBLA because those are a selection of digital titles. They do not ask about 360 games because those largely are not.
However, I am just inferring the intent of the question.
Well here is a test of the dual core i5s
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5872/intel-dual-core-ivy-bridge-launch-and-ultrabook-review/5
It be really awsome if they can get a quad core in there. Remember this isn't launching for another 3 months after windows 8 launches. So if win 8 launches at the end of oct we wont see this till January so there could be a chance this might be one of the first sub 22nm chips from intel or new stepings of current chips to lower power consumption even more.
If they can fit a quad core in this thing it be great.
however looking at these bencmharks it be amazing to have a trnity cpu in this thing
Best is battery life
7.76 hours for internet surfing.
4.8 hours for 720p playback.
The battery used is a 49432mwh battery. So it should be similar
You are trolling hard as hell.
SpectreFire
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But most consumers don't need the pro. They don't have a legitimate use for all those features and horsepower. It's about stealing market shares from the iPad that's the key here.
Megaman happened.
you can't install anything on the desktop on ARM devices.
They did a horrible job defining the boundaries during the conference. The compelling shit is in the pro and they aren't even showing it at the conference. smh
As someone who has owned a touchpad , ipad 1 and now ipad 3. You clearly don't know whats going on.
Its readable at 1080p but when you have high resolution the text looks amazing.
frontieruk
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Getting the CPU to a good price point, and maybe take advantage of a die shrink to reduce heat.
it has a desktop mode that runs Office. possibly because they dont have a Metro version of it ready.
its not a full computer as you might define one as it cant run legacy windows apps built on x86. its designed to run metro apps from the microsoft store.
just like iPads running apps from the iOS app store.
deejay8595
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This is great! Working at a school district which is 90% Windows with users who want Ipads this totally changes the game. Can finally manage tablets the RIGHT way. Windows 8,MS office, AD integration =OH YEAAH!
OK, good info. I'm not talking about high end settings or anything. I'll be interested to see what people can get out of it, but it sound like it'll be pretty limited.
Dreams-Visions
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I guess I still feel a bit weird about it. I'm sure the Windows Store will have a decent amount of Metro-only apps and will grow sufficiently fast...but it really won't be competitive on that front. The screen resolution won't be as high as competitors either.
I understand why someone would choose a Pro over an iPad or Android device, but I'm not sure what's compelling about the ARM-based Windows tablet over the competition. I just don't see it.
I feel like the Pro is their "differentiator" product that should be at the center of attention. The RT tends to feel like a repeat of the Windows Phone in a world already populated by Apple and Android devices. Maybe not, but that's just how it feels. Already in this thread people have shown excitement and interest only to be bedeviled by the trickle of heart-breaking news like "stylus only on pro" and lack of battery/memory/exact dates.
idk.
I'd encourage you to google Intel HD4000 and check out some gaming benchmarks. I'm sure there are more available out there...maybe some that used an i5 processor so that we can get a really good idea. I'm just too lazy to look more up.
VanMardigan
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You quoted the wrong dude, hard trolling is more than one post.
outunderthestars
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Yea, I am kind of on the fence about paying the extra $300 or so to go to the Pro version. It's heavier, thicker, and i'm not sure if I'd get enough extra utility out of it.
That said, I worry that Windows RT isn't going to get enough application support.
Also, the RT version comes with Office included, which is really all of windows I really need.
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Gary Whitta
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I'm just glad to have been overlooked.
Yeah, I'm confused by that too. Tech blogs want to see crazy tech. Not another plain tablet iteration.
RiccochetJ
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Gary, aren't you completely contained within the Apple ecosystem? In that I mean, aren't you tied to iTunes and the entire Apple marketplace?
I've thought about trying out iPhone or the Windows Phone because I honestly believe that they provide a slicker experience out of the box, but I realize I'm tied into Google and Amazon.
Aren't you concerned about the shift? I have to imagine this is exactly what all 3 of them are trying to do. Get you locked in. Or is it not that painful of an experience?
lunarworks
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Apple's supposedly got a digitizer on the way. An optical one, which I imagine could work with the Mac too.
Adobe's not taking sides quite yet, because they quietly worked with Apple to get their apps ready for the new MBP's retina display.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I missed the part where you trolled AFTER the conference.
Just an idea, I don't see how any full blown gaming can be done on a tablet anyways. I'm just thinking of an alternative rather than having to create high spec tablets to run games designed for consoles or desktop/laptop computers.
Oppo
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you'd roll out this untried, unproven, 1st-rev tablet to a whole school board based on a logo?
this is what we call nit picking for the hell of it lol... It's not like the information isn't revealed almost instantly after by bloggers and spec sheets.
It's the software that matters and nothing Microsoft makes for that market is untried or unproven.
Apple fanatics:
Slightly sharper text > USB 3.0 (and all the possibilities that come with it)
Smh.
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SpectreFire
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Exactly, I bought a Macbook Air last year and I love it, but I am severely under-utilizing it in terms of what its capable of. I feel most consumers would do the exact same. Most people simply don't have a use for the Surface Pro, it's too much computer for them.
It makes perfect sense why MS is highlighting on the mainstream RT version and putting that out first. Everyone who wants a Pro will buy it regardless, it's the casual consumers who need a bigger push, and fancy computer tech and specs that they have no use for won't entice them.
MS is more than a logo. This thing is legit.
So you've handled a 10 inch screen with 1080p resolution? How big were the pixels?
Dreams-Visions
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see, this is the kind of confusion I'm talking about.
What you're talking about is the Pro version, which we expect to land in the $1000 range. Your district could afford 2 iPads for the price of one Pro. Which won't launch until 2013, by the way.
Unless Windows RT + Office (with no compatibility with their other existing software because of ARM, a noticeably lower resolution, and no stylus support) is acceptable to them.
fizzelopeguss
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it's a bit plasticky...
fluffydelusions
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Hands on @ engadget...so RT has a 1080p screen afterall?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/hands-on-with-microsoft-surface-for-windows-rt
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/hands-on-with-microsoft-surface-for-windows-rt
Gary Whitta
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This is not going to pull me back to Windows. I'm happy in the Apple ecosystem. That's not to say I couldn't shift if I wanted to, all my music is DRM-free and could easily be ported over. I don't have much invested in apps.
I don't see how anyone can really be a prisoner of an ecosystem these days, it's not that difficult to switch if you really want to.
Case in point. The Pro is not aimed for the iPad. And given the prevalence of the Windows environment in businesses today, a sexy tablet-cum-laptop that can run a Windows environment with full versions of productivity software.
It'll take time to smooth out, but taking aiming at the productivity angle is a bold and intelligent move. The RT will make some waves, but the Pro is the more dangerous product, competitively speaking.
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