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But they can't. RT cannot run x86 apps. RT needs ARM Metro apps.
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But they can't. RT cannot run x86 apps. RT needs ARM Metro apps.
Gary Whitta
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I would not want to be in the Android tablet business right now.
The Faceless Master
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at what point does the PPI become 'high resolution' exactly? i know it's somewhere between 220 and 260 does the PPI, but can you narrow it down a bit for future reference?
bloodydrake
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I only want an x86 Windows 8 Tablet, reguardless of who makes it.
The fact the specs show the intel based tablet is 224g(around 2lb total) heavier and
is 4mm thicker kinda worries me and is probably why they aren't showing it.
They want to show a product that is as light and thin as an ipad 3..not one thats thicker and heavier then the ipad 1.
I'm gonna wait to see how the specs compare to something like the x86 asus transformer book
The fact the specs show the intel based tablet is 224g(around 2lb total) heavier and
is 4mm thicker kinda worries me and is probably why they aren't showing it.
They want to show a product that is as light and thin as an ipad 3..not one thats thicker and heavier then the ipad 1.
I'm gonna wait to see how the specs compare to something like the x86 asus transformer book
nVidiot_Whore
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I don't think it's a strange reason.
Why would someone want XBLA apps and not Xbox 360 apps if they paid $600 for a device that could run 360 apps?
Move on, this isn't meant to upset you. Good lord. In my example, MS was the one doing the "ignoring"... English language.
I can't get over how smart the kickstand idea is. I mostly browse from my bed, it's always a pain to do it with the iPad. You either have to hold it up in your hands or use the smart cover folded up (which isn't very stable when you've got it on your chest/stomach). This kickstand is perfect, combined with the keyboard cover, it's just a brilliant solution. If this thing has some good power and battery life, I don't see any reason why this can't be a one size fits all solution. The interactivity, games, apps of a tablet with the power and flexibility of a PC. Fantastic stuff.
Clayton Bigsby
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It really is easy. If you have a bunch of software on the ipad, then you are invested in that platform. A normal person is not going to use two tablets, so having all your software on one is important. It isnt that hard to understand.
I've invested several hundreds into the iOS app ecosystem before I realized that I didn't care for 99.9% of the apps.
Really, the only app that I find I must have is the bank app for checking my account balance and that app costs $free.99
Gary Whitta
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People like it when all their devices and content are connected together, you can't really do that when they're divided between different platforms.
killer rin
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I wonder how long it will take schools to implement Full Sized Microsoft Surfaces as desks. If they worry about breaking, just be strict on students/parents replacing broken tables. The future of Education is almost here everyone! Just have to get politicians to stop cutting school funding for once :\
Anyhow, I really want one of these devices. If it doesn't release by September they will miss my deadline for purchase though.
SMH at lack of retina display. I can even see the pixels in the guy's finger.
Crazy thing about non-apple diehard developers. They support multiple platforms.
I know, shits cray.
The Faceless Master
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doesn't matter. it LOOKS too plasticky. kinda like how the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy S III were both made from polycarbonate, but people said the GS3 looked too plasticky (disapointing) and the One X didn't.
gamergirly
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Its good to see another fish in the ocean
NullPointer
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radioheadrule83
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I don't think your potential bias here could be more transparent.
and bolding your posts doesn't make us any more likely to be more sympathetic to your view.
The compelling shit isn't necessarily the pro at all. As I see it, the pro is a sexy new wildcard for people who want tablet aesthetic and full computing compatibility and functionality. That could actually make it the more niche of the two products. The specs, pen and cover make it a very attractive proposition though -- I'd consider it alongside an ultrabook laptop very seriously.
But the RT model is great too. Pre-installing Office is a slice of genius. The average consumer doesn't need the full functionality of the pro model, they don't need to be able to run Creative Suite 6, their own Apache server, Maya or geeky media transcoding shit... although I'm sure they'll be able to do some of that on this too, in time. They just need an app marketplace, apps of useful / fun utility, an Office suite for practical matters in their lives, and the ability to use Facebook as a time-sink. It looks like a great device for students and professionals on the move. I think you'll be mistaken if you don't believe the app marketplace will be well supported - migrating most apps won't be all that difficult. The industrial design of the device is beautiful too... we've had Windows and ARM based tablets before, but none of them have the visual appeal of this. If the price is right, and the support is there (as it looks to be) - it can be a hit.
Having decent inputs and outputs is such a huge plus too. People will be plugging in their existing peripherals (mice and printers, USB hubs), phones, external storage, existing SD cards... there will be very little that the average RT consumer 'misses' from the Pro version on a day to day basis.
The non-pro is not 1080p. MS advertises it as "HD" screen whereas the Pro is "Full HD"
And yes, it's a shit screen compared to the 2048x1536 IPS panel of the iPad.
Definitely an impressive looking product and it's awesome to see some good looking competition in the tablet space, but I'm put off by there being no price and no date and the overall feeling of vagueness around the product. Do they want me to think this is vaporware?
Have they talked at all about how this thing will interact with Windows Phone or is that an entirely separate concept? I mean could one have an app that's on your phone and on this similar to iPad/iPhone?
Have they talked at all about how this thing will interact with Windows Phone or is that an entirely separate concept? I mean could one have an app that's on your phone and on this similar to iPad/iPhone?
Seriously, I'm tired of these apple trolls. The iPad 2 text looked fine as well. Shitty gimmicks.to_images/4395358/surface-202-verge-1200_gallery_post.jpg[/IMG]
And, look how terrible the non-Retina display looks in the RT tablet *rolleye.gif*
Sexy as fuck.
SpectreFire
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For businesses, that's the case I'd imagine.
If your company's been running Windows for years, all your software is Windows based. If you change to OSX, then those software become useless and you'd have to spend thousands licensing new OSX compatible software. Not to mention the thousands of dollars you'd have to put into your IT department to equip them for the conversation, and the huge hassle of getting your staff properly converted over. Work flow also gets wrecked because different OS use different shortcuts.
Should've posted in all caps too, just to be safe.
OMG it's dead!
Dude it was announced hours ago, releasing months from now. They'll have it sorted by then, and the apps on Day 1 will be enough for most people.
Technosteve
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what your saying is it will explode when it gets hot?
I think he was joking there...better alternatives for both are available in iOS and I'm sure other OS's have them too.
Good Job Bob
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How does this relate to what I said about consumers wanting to use WinAMP and mIRC?
Wait a second, does this thing not have NFC?
That seems like a horrible omission since ultrabooks are going to have it ubiquitously.
Seemed like you were implying those wouldn't be around for windows 8/RT.
That seems like a horrible omission since ultrabooks are going to have it ubiquitously.
Seemed like you were implying those wouldn't be around for windows 8/RT.
what is going on in here lol. What are you talking about?
lol $1k your joking right. The 64 gig wifi will run $700 and u really need just a few apps on it
And, look how terrible the non-Retina display looks in the RT tablet *rolleye.gif*
Retina display would make the words on the scoreboard sharp as fuck yo!
TEXT YO!
The Faceless Master
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No it wont. They already said ultrabook pricing. You are confusing the devices. The pro will be 1k at least.
Thats an image not rendered text. Troll harder.
Hari Seldon
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Pro version day 1. This is the windows tablet that I can actually take to work and have it be useful.
Battery life and price.
There are plenty of people that don't have a need to use 'desktop apps' on their tablet beyond Office ... so why spend more and give up battery life if you don't need it.
yes
It's a competitor for 11" Ultrabooks and MacBook Airs.
No need to guess. That's what 'Full HD' refers to.
magnetic - it's removable.
There are two keyboard options. One is a super thin cover that has multi-touch built in to act as a keyboard and touchpad ... the other is an actual mechanical keyboard and touchpad like the Transformer.
Makes sense given the statement it's using the next generation of intel processors?Pro months later!Well, I will upgrade my a500 to win 8 meanwhile.
While they may strive to break even, I can't see them taking a loss. That would completely alienate OEMs.
I assume they're referring to the cover? Uses different tech than traditional touch screens and is faster?
If it's priced as they say ... why would it put people off?Oh, MS...
Really impressive, but the pricing (whenever it is released) is likely gonna put a lot of interested people off.
Ultrabooks and MacAirs sell well ... as do iPads.
Group time for hands-on
By ceiling you mean starting point?
Dreams-Visions
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Like I said, a chart with check marks for the features Pro has that RT doesn't have needs to basically be in the OP and quoted on each page.
Thing is, we can't even develop one yet because some details are murky.
I agree. My concern about RT is...what is it bringing beyond Office that makes it more attractive for the price than the competition? Starting from scratch with the Microsoft Store means they'll have decidedly less available software for it than the Android/Apple tablets. So why buy it? I'm not sure either.
Gary Whitta
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App-sharing on the same screen is really nice! Love that feature.
Precisely, zoom out black on white text such as a PDF or even the non-mobile gaf page to understand...pictures and large text are going to look fine
Apple has finally mastered the art of changing the focus of photos?!?!? Amazing!!!!
there is a windows phone conference on wednesday where they talk about the next version of the OS. It is widely considered to be bringing the same development platform that Windows RT/8 use.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Can I install iTunes and Safari on it?
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