Gary Whitta
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My buddy and ex-PC GAMER contributor Colin Williamson worked on that!
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Since my post many people have come in here confused. Just because you call it trolling doesn't make it trolling.
Just on the last pages someone said is windows RT and different than windows 8.
How is stating a fact trolling.
fluffydelusions
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Why does everyone keep saying 2013 release? Isn't Windows 8 releasing this year? I already know most of the other companies out there said they have W8 tablets lined up for launch so it makes sense these ones are also available.
Looking forward to it. Also coming out for WP and XBLA.
BlueTsunami
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Wireless Gamepad + Steam =
Dreams-Visions
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We'll see soon enough! I can't agree or disagree at this point. It won't matter to me since I'll be getting a tablet with full Windows 8, so if the Metro scene doesn't flesh out well, I'll have the regular OS.
your posts have been funny man. for a bunch of reasons.
To answer your question, Microsoft said themselves at the event that the Pro would launch a few months after the RT, which is coming around the Windows 8 launch.
lunarworks
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Battery life and price.
I imagine they're still frantically optimizing, and trying to nail down the supply chain.
Wireless Gamepad + Steam =
Is he standing next to a power outlet?
chickdigger802
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woo just got up.
Why is this hot stuff? looks like a tablet. What did they show that wowed you???
Why is this hot stuff? looks like a tablet. What did they show that wowed you???
The Faceless Master
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i got my info from actually using my brother's iOS devices. can't multitask while idle on IRC, you get disconnected in ~10m.
What stupid card? My point was the value proposition that they'll see if they think they need to pay a bunch more to get Office, versus it being pre-installed on RT.
When you go to demo it in-store, both devices will look the same, except the RT version will have Office when you go to Desktop, the Pro version won't have it. You ask the sales guy if it comes with Office on the Pro, they say you need to buy it separately, and they will push the fact that Office is free on RT. At that point, you're either looking at the software section or the Windows Marketplace to see the extra cost of Office.
Office coming free on RT, in Desktop mode, will also confuse the public into thinking that RT can run all legacy apps.
Yeah they most likely haven't settled on final specs for the devices. So fair enough. But the price and battery mean a lot.
I can stay connected not problem. Something must be up.
Maybe Ive never been idle long enough?
Colloquy on iOS disconnects after a while.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Why is everybody making a big deal about gaming on the Pro? Most ultrabooks aren't even good at gaming.
The Pro is plainly aimed at business users who travel 75% of the year. The Thinkpad users who wanted an iPad.
The Pro is plainly aimed at business users who travel 75% of the year. The Thinkpad users who wanted an iPad.
Looks great and everything, but ... widescreen for a tablet? I recently bought a cheap (like, 150 euro cheap) 10" chinese android tablet. On a whim, just to see if it's something I could actually use and need. I like it ... except for the widescreen ratio. It works great on a TV or a 24"+ monitor, not so much on a tablet, imo.
Eh I am guessing it'll be similar to my wife's Air from last year, right?
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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It has a usb port. The possibilities are endless.
Good Job Bob
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Yeah, but a bit better since it's the Ivy Bridge chipset.
Ignatz Mouse
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Pro is very close in specs and size to Samsung S7 Slate (11.6", 2 lbs, Core i5) , which is $1299 for 128GB SSD.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/samsungs-series-7-slate-pc-hands-on/
People need to keep their pricing expectations in check.
Surface RT: $500~800
Surface Pro: $1100~$1200
I'm being optimistic about Pro's price by about $100 BTW.
I'm typing this on one of these now, which is why I said somebody's 600/1200 prediction was likely in the ballpark. But that was before the pricing non-announcement, which makes me think the Pro will be 1K even. MS selling at a loss, no OEM OS cost, passage of time.
Dreams-Visions
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the nice build design and amazing keyboard. Firsts for Microsoft in the tablets space, so the excitement is warranted.
Yeah, I was about to go with an X1 Carbon, but Microsoft may have me sold on the Pro. I have my PC for gaming. If the pro can play old stuff like Deus Ex, and HL1 then that is more than enough for me to get that light gaming fix on the go.
Gary Whitta
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Yeah I think people are getting carried away with a false equation that just because it's a full-featured PC it's going to be great for gaming. It's like they suddenly all forgot that you need a really beefy system with discrete graphics to play anything decent.
I think it will be pretty good at playing many games, but not to the degree that a lot of people might be expecting.
The HD 4000 is actually quite capable for an integrated gpu. Check benches. It can run a good bit.
Windows 8 is pretty much made for a wide screen. It is meant to be held landscape.
captmcblack
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If they could get the Pro's tablet price between iPad and ultrabook, it would be so sick.
That said, I am getting one of these. This could be pretty sweet!
That said, I am getting one of these. This could be pretty sweet!
Dreams-Visions
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Read up on the Intel HD4000 gpu. You'll get the answer to your question.
It's a significant leap from HD3000 graphics just a year ago. Serious strides. Most ultrabooks out today are using HD3000 graphics.
evil solrac v3.0
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can Microsoft absorb some of the costs and sell them at a loss for however long they need to? or does the X-box drag them down and prevent them from adopting a similar model?
Dog Problems
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of indie games ported to it or made for it exclusively. I'm not expecting to play Max Payne 3 on full settings.
Why would non-touchscreen windows 8 users, which will be the vast majority of the userbase, care or pay for apps designed for the metro mode that they universally hate (on a non-touchscreen device) or straight up can not use due to not having a touchscreen?
Or, why would developers give 30% of their cut to MS, if they can just sell the app on their website the same way they have been doing for years, and they would be usable on Windows 8 as always?
Hell yeah, Sins runs fine on that thing.
I think people are talking about games because it speaks to the performer and openness. Sure it won't run Crysis but it will run a lot more real games than any android or apple tablet.
Plus, games drive app markets.
I'm thinking more about XBLA gaming and indie games from Steam myself. Those, and whatever app games come out for it, are enough for me. I save real PC gaming for my desktop and GTX 570.
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GMTA.
fluffydelusions
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Yeah, I could see these replacing laptops easily just not "gaming" laptops
i doubt they would sell this at a loss.
Dreams-Visions
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selling at a significant loss simply fucks over their partners. Why would they do that? Their goal isn't to hurt OEMs (who are already hurting from the slowing Windows PC market, btw)
Gary Whitta
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Yup for a lot of little indie games it will be great, and the PC's indie scene is better than it has ever been.
Yes, but Intel GPU drivers and Linux unfortunately don't mix.
Their partners would be mad as hell.
SteveWinwood
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It'll probably run something like tf2 or dota 2 fine. That's all I even play anymore :/
lunarworks
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Exactly. It'll be great at lightweight stuff. The "I need a real
In reality it's a bit of a premature announcement.
If (if) it ends up being ridiculously expensive, I will laugh.
Oh interesting ... the current speculation is RT version will actually use Tegra 3+
I know some had complained about this having Cortex A9's, but if it is Tegra 3+ that's not the case.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra-Wayne-Grey-Icera,15407.html
Tegra 3+ is 'Wayne'.
It's expected to ship in the 3rd quarter, so that actually fits with the proposed launch window.
I know some had complained about this having Cortex A9's, but if it is Tegra 3+ that's not the case.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Tegra-Wayne-Grey-Icera,15407.html
Tegra 3+ is 'Wayne'.
It's expected to ship in the 3rd quarter, so that actually fits with the proposed launch window.
Shogmaster
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They might sell it near cost. This IMO could be more or less a "halo" sku (pun intended) to increase the awareness of Win 8 features and to set a bar for OEMs.
BlueTsunami
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Same here. I realize this thing won't play Crysis II. Also, EMULATORS AIEEEEEE.
Yeah, I though it may have something to do with the OS. Still, a browser is a browser in Android or Windows 8. Surfing in portrait mode on a 10" widescreen tablet isn't the best of experiences. Not for me, at least. Or maybe it'll just take some getting used to.
Thinking about that and your mention of the strength of that scene suggests to me that possibly MS has this in mind. Tapping into that library either through steam or grabbing those games onto their marketplace as an already set library of games/apps for your tablet.
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Oh you HAD to go there, didn't you.
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