saltywalrus
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Windows 8 comes with built in antivirus called Windows Defender.
I guess technically it's not required, you can turn it off, but you might get a virus
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Windows 8 comes with built in antivirus called Windows Defender.
I guess technically it's not required, you can turn it off, but you might get a virus
Gotta blame USB! Basically the exact thickness minus the screen layer. But yeah, it is a bit ugly/'blocky'. They tried to make it sexy with the colored keyboards but the only useful one is black, no?
It's truly the best part. I just hope the Pro comes with enough guns to merit its purchase.
Zune was top notch in both hardware and software. Let's hope this follows.
Microsoft said it is 22nm during the event, so that is not really a rumor.
yes, I meant 22nm ivy bridge (I have no clue what wayne is)
It's Batman.
In this thread: hilarity.
Why someone isn't allowed to be genuinely excited about a product, or why someone has to choose a "side" is beyond me. If you are dismissing the Surface as it was announced yesterday out of hand you are beyond insipid.
We may get more information (battery life / price) to make a final opinion later, but to make assumptions merely to shoot holes in something people are clearly interested in is...well...being the internet I suppose. But this whole thread is out of hand. Ick.
Why someone isn't allowed to be genuinely excited about a product, or why someone has to choose a "side" is beyond me. If you are dismissing the Surface as it was announced yesterday out of hand you are beyond insipid.
We may get more information (battery life / price) to make a final opinion later, but to make assumptions merely to shoot holes in something people are clearly interested in is...well...being the internet I suppose. But this whole thread is out of hand. Ick.
I think most of us are reserved yet optimistic.
my bad thought you guys meant the surface pro
SeaOfMadness
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Maybe I missed it, but where did they show desktop running on the RT? I thought RT/ARM couldn't run in desktop mode? :S
It can't, but there are 2 exceptions: IE10 desktop mode, and Microsoft Office RT. So those 2 apps and those 2 apps only will run with a desktop.
The Desktop is there purely for Office. When you're actually using Windows RT, you can barely tell that the desktop is there at all. You simply use the start screen to switch apps, just as though they were Metro apps, and they can run in full-screen with a single click.
WinRT (the development platform) simply isn't robust enough for something as massive and capable as Office.
WinRT (the development platform) simply isn't robust enough for something as massive and capable as Office.
No, but Surface senses the pen and prevents your hand from interfering while using the pen.
Uhhh most sources have said it does have pressure sensitivity and that it's wacom-made.
Antiwhippy
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Well someone mentioned an article confirming it a few pages ago, but looking into it, it's from gizmodo so I dunno about the credibility of that. Otherwise, people, such as Shog have said the pen looks to be wacom tech based off of the tip.
Antiwhippy
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If it is then I really might have to look into getting one. 
I just hope the pro has enough horsepower for Adobe stuff.
I just hope the pro has enough horsepower for Adobe stuff.I think most sources have said nothing is really known about the specs.
The dang touch keyboard is pressure sensitive. It would be a huge, weird mistake if the stylus wasn't.
I'm not surprised people are down on the desktop mode of RT but I think it's a big selling point over similar products. Metro versions of the programs should be there but having the ability to plug an ARM tablet into a monitor and getting a traditional Microsoft Office interface is pretty awesome.
I'm not surprised people are down on the desktop mode of RT but I think it's a big selling point over similar products. Metro versions of the programs should be there but having the ability to plug an ARM tablet into a monitor and getting a traditional Microsoft Office interface is pretty awesome.
True, the tip does look like wacom's though.
The keyboard and the stylus don't really have anything to do with each other.
Shogmaster
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"the sources" was me speculating based on 3 things:
1. look of the tip
2. "600 DPI" figure is closer to Wacom's 500+ lines per inch than NTrig's 2500+ PPI
3. Dude flipped the pen and used the eraser. That's a Wacom only feature.
No shit! I gotta make a note of this.
Well I guess I don't understand why the keyboard being pressure sensitive should have any bearing on why the stylus should be?
MS playing the underdog card lo fucking l.
Antiwhippy
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The stylus is presser sensitive, according to Gizmodo.
Shogmaster
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Not sure. It just might be no one else wants to spend the money for an extra pressure assembly in their pen. Also, most competitors use battery in their pen, so space is constrained back there, and it's another battery drain.
Gary Whitta
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In mobile they ARE an underdog.
The desktop mode of RT I think is the main differentiator between it and the iPad...having full MS Office preinstalled is a pretty big deal. For many people, they really could replace their computer with the Surface RT if Office is what they mainly use on their computer (for example, I think it would be much more feasible to send someone to college with a Surface RT to write papers on than an iPad)...
To put it another way, Microsoft sees Office as the killer app for the Surface, and has engineered the device accordingly (hence the attention paid on the two keyboard covers, etc.)...I think it's a valid strategy, it will definitely be interesting to see how it's received.
To put it another way, Microsoft sees Office as the killer app for the Surface, and has engineered the device accordingly (hence the attention paid on the two keyboard covers, etc.)...I think it's a valid strategy, it will definitely be interesting to see how it's received.
That's what Smart Glass is for. It's the evolution of Windows 7's 'Play To'
Moreover, the rationale behind WinRT is to get variations of the kernel running on everything (720, Apollo, etc). That way, many of the apps and basically all of the services will be everywhere, and all sharing the same data.
While it will take a while to get everything running, MS is poised to actually have a larger, cohesive ecosystem than Apple.
Well, they did say it's a new chip.
And if the rumor's true that RT is actually using Wayne, I'm shocked they aren't making a bigger deal about it. That thing is going to melt faces. Granted there's plenty of time before launch.
It hurts the argument for higher-end Android tablets certainly ... but if it's true Google's 'Nexus' tablet is that lower-priced ASUS model, I'm not sure it matters all that much as far as the upcoming Google announcement. They're targeting a very different pricing tier with a smaller form-factor (~7") tablet.
Would have been amazing if B&N or Amazon showed off the new Nook/Fire this week though
Actually I've been arguing pretty much since Windows RT was announced that I just don't see Android having a serious long-term presence in the 'full size' tablet market. Where I think they'll continue to do the most damage is in the ~7" market. And while I'm a proponent of 'vanilla' Android for phones, I actually think think the forks like Nook and Fire stand a better chance. Basically more focused devices instead of the everything-to-everyone-but-kind-of-sucking-at-it-all state of things. Android's OS and ecosystem for tablets would need to change pretty dramatically to convince me otherwise.
You can only be am underdog once.
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Tonight's Conan Joke:
Microsoft chose the name Surface, because it's a great place to put your iPad.
Hahaha oh wow ... hadn't thought of that
That gave me an interesting thought. Thinking long term, once high-refresh color eInk displays become available, will that actually replace the small-scale tablet? I could see a focused 'tablet' ala Nook/Fire that has a week or two battery life pretty much killing off small tablets.
Not really?
They seem to be implying it's some new generation or custom version of Ivy Bridge for the Pro. So at worst, look to how the HD 4000 performs.
For the RT unit, rumors are pointing to it actually using Wayne (Tegra 3+), which looks to be an incredible ARM SoC. However there aren't benchmarks for it since it too isn't complete.
better late than never
Yep, first time.
And it certainly is a huge deal, though obviously they aren't moving directly into Apple territory. For the most part, this is more akin to how Google handles Nexus products than anything. They aren't moving away from an OEM model.
The one area where things get more interesting however is in their tight handling of HW specs for Windows Phone and Windows RT. That's the more interesting move IMO (though it's been discussed for a while via WP7). What's more amusing is no one has really bothered to comment much on Intel's entire Ultrabook specification which is pretty tight as well. Especially given most see the Ultrabook (and related hybrids) as being the future of laptops.
The genius move MS made in all of this was to include WinRT in Windows 8. Since there's an automatic userbase, expect app development to escalate faster than it original did for other ecosystems 'starting at 0'.
Apple - the OT Nintendo
A bit extreme, but I feel ya'. Tegra 3 was always supposed to involve a die shrink, but delays prevented it so they went forward with kludge-fest anyway.
The interesting thing for nVidia though is that this will actually help the marketing for Wayne. The jump is going to be pretty insane given it involves the move to Cortex A15's, and entirely new GPU design, and a die shrink from the previous model.
3rd quarter
22 degrees only. Could be a problem for some use-cases. The good news is the screen has fantastic viewing angles, so if that's your concern don't worry.
Yes all signs point to Apollo running the WinRT API, but that's hardly 'letting it die'.
You need to separate the UI and feature-set from the kernel and API. The change that's happening is Apollo is dumping the Win CE kernel in favor of NT, and utilizing the WinRT API. The rationale is simple. MS is basically moving all of the consumer devices to said kernel and API in order to allow app compatibility and services sharing. They are going after a single ecosystem and UI to chase Apple.
If anything though, WP7 heavily influenced WinRT. The UI, overall design language, even app contracts are all evolutions of WP7. And Apollo is not going to look all that different from WP7. So really it's kind of the opposite. While the underlying codebase may be changing, the core front-facing experience will remain and its basis is expanding to all parts of 'Windows'.
saltywalrus
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So, the Surface for RT spec sheet says it includes Office 15 apps. Am I crazy, or did it previously say Office Home and Student 2013 RT?
Hopefully it includes Outlook.
Hopefully it includes Outlook.
Office 15 will be named Office 2013. Windows RT will come with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote. No Outlook.
cartoon_soldier
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There's a separate Mail App though right for Windows RT?
It will be interesting to see what it is , it could end up being haswel
Haswel has dx 11.1 , a new cache design , 40 eu's vs 16 of ivy bridge , new power saving systems and 64megs of cahce for the gpu. This will most likely rival trinity parts in graphics performance and the cpu should be way faster.
Its supposed to hit anywhere from march to june. So if we look at the time line ms said 3 months after windows 8 launches the surface pro will hit. So if we are looking at the middle of Oct for windows 8 then middle of January for surface pro. I can see intel being able to supply enough haswels to MS for it and it would make sense for MS to be coy about the cpu
He also says it delivers more power than todays i5s .... todays i5s are ivy bridge.
So lets see what happens. Its 9 monthstill this launches most likely and it makes little sense for ms to wait till 2013 to launch this and not use haswell which hits in march of 2013.
Shogmaster
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He said "3rd generation i5", which would not be Ivy Bridge strictly speaking since Ivy Bridge is part of Sandy Bridge generation, but he also called it Ivy Bridge by name as well, so I think it's Ivy Bridge and he was just confused about which generation that falls under.
If it will be using Haswell, great, but then I don't know why they announced the surface Pro a year before its ready to be released.
And in a year, convertable Ultrabooks with Haswell CPUs will be smaller as well, and probably eliminate the need for a surface pro type of device altogether.
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