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[Izick]

Because I know the pain too well.

Oh, well I'm sorry. It sucks that it can't be changed, at least not as easily changed as one's personality or body-composition.

I don't know about you, but it sucks knowing that looks will always be an impassible barrier, and an obstacle that can't be fully understood. Like a roadblock in my way to the finish line, and even if I use my wit and cunning to find away around it, it's likely someone else will just walk right through and pass the finish line far before me.

That's dramatic. Basically: fuck being ugly.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Oh, well I'm sorry. It sucks that it can't be changed, at least not as easily changed as one's personality or body-composition.

I don't know about you, but it sucks knowing that looks will always be an impassible barrier, and an obstacle that can't be fully understood. Like a roadblock in my way to the finish line, and even if I use my wit and cunning to find away around it, it's likely someone else will just walk right through and pass the finish line far before me.

That's dramatic. Basically: fuck being ugly.

Everything you say is so true. I've come into this thread saying some of the same things but many people in this thread don't fully acknowledge the importance of physical appearance or at least brush it off. But like you said what can anyone really do about it? I guess there's no point in discussing it. Still, sucks man.

 

[Izick]

Everything you say is so true. I've come into this thread saying some of the same things but many people in this thread don't fully acknowledge the importance of physical appearance or at least brush it off. But like you said what can anyone really do about it? I guess there's no point in discussing it. Still, sucks man.

No, there's not, but I guess it doesn't hurt to know that other people are going through the same shitty problem. I still don't understand why people don't admit that someone's beauty is huge, or possibly the main factor in their attractiveness for a lot of people.

EDIT: Also, I'm sorry that I brought up the whole "how much do looks matter?" debate. I'm just sick and tired of how unattractive I think I must be and wanted to vent. I know that no matter what I say or do, the night will end, tomorrow will begin, and it will make no difference. I'll always be like this. I'm just sick of it being this way...

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Everything you say is so true. I've come into this thread saying some of the same things but many people in this thread don't fully acknowledge the importance of physical appearance or at least brush it off. But like you said what can anyone really do about it? I guess there's no point in discussing it. Still, sucks man.

Have you ever considered plastic surgery or a Mission: Impossible style face mask?

Not that I'm advocating plastic surgery. But this issue comes up a lot with you, so I'm curious if you've thought about it.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Have you ever considered plastic surgery or a Mission: Impossible style face mask?

Not that I'm advocating plastic surgery. But this issue comes up a lot with you, so I'm curious if you've thought about it.

I've given it some thought, it probably won't take that much work either. First I would like to get my body to it's genetic maximum in terms of muscle and being lean and then I would see what needs to be done.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I've given it some thought, it probably won't take that much work either. First I would like to get my body to it's genetic maximum in terms of muscle and being lean and then I would see what needs to be done.

Are we talking a nose job and a face lift here, or are we talking full facial reconstruction?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Are we talking a nose job and a face lift here, or are we talking full facial reconstruction?

Doubt I want or need full facial reconstruction, seems crazy. Would need to see a good doc and see what they think.

There are so many things I need to address from head to toe it's really just about taking it one step at a time.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Being ugly makes things harder. But I've seen some fucking ugly guys get some nice looking girls.

1. get as fit as you can
2. get stylish. Wear nice clothes and look your best at all times.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Being ugly makes things harder. But I've seen some fucking ugly guys get some nice looking girls.

1. get as fit as you can
2. get stylish. Wear nice clothes and look your best at all times.

From what I've gathered reading his posts, I think at this point he's pretty fit and he posts in Manshion, so he's working on getting stylish. Am I correct in that regard, Midnights?

 

[Minamu]

This is me on the far right. I haven't been to the gym since March. I've never been comfortable with my body, least of all my face. My face has always caused me crazy anxiety throughout my entire life. I'm skinny yet have a bit of a tummy that I worry over sometimes. I hate taking pictures and hardly ever look right in them imho. This is the first time I've dared showing myself on this forum and I've been here for years now. This was taken a bit over a year ago, and it's the only picture I really like, enough to have as my facebook profile picture. But even with these issues, I somehow managed to attract one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen two days ago, while wearing a GAF shirt Link

 

[Chinner]

i asked a girl if i could kiss her and she spat in my face. what should i do?

 

[Log4Girlz]

i asked a girl if i could kiss her and she spat in my face. what should i do?

Taste the spit and write her a letter describing your impressions.

 

[Booya]

i asked a girl if i could kiss her and she spat in my face. what should i do?

one spit means yes

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

one spit means yes

More means she's kinky.

 

[jaxword]

i asked a girl if i could kiss her and she spat in my face. what should i do?

Shit, dog, that's a typical Friday night for me.

 

[DY_nasty]

it says a lot about her state of mind that believes deep down she's unattractive though.

It does.

Look at all the people here who have self-confidence issues and notice how it leaks into other things. It can be fixed, but its something that will always need to be tended to for some.

An even stronger compliment is telling a girl how she makes you feel rather than stating something about their appearance in a factual manner.

Like, "I'd gladly drown in the onyx eddies of your hair" or "Your limpid eyes make me shiver".

It doesn't really matter how you say it when you're talking to someone with that kind of confidence issue. You just need them to believe that you believe. You don't need a sonnet to get the point across when addressing something tied to self-esteem and insecurities. You need them to be confident in your attraction.

 

[ianp622]

No, there's not, but I guess it doesn't hurt to know that other people are going through the same shitty problem. I still don't understand why people don't admit that someone's beauty is huge, or possibly the main factor in their attractiveness for a lot of people.

EDIT: Also, I'm sorry that I brought up the whole "how much do looks matter?" debate. I'm just sick and tired of how unattractive I think I must be and wanted to vent. I know that no matter what I say or do, the night will end, tomorrow will begin, and it will make no difference. I'll always be like this. I'm just sick of it being this way...

We won't admit it's a huge factor because we know that it's usually not insurmountable. Also, people who post thinking they're ugly usually aren't, and instead have self-esteem issues that are the main cause of their problems (e.g. Combine, if you remember that far back).

 

[Omegasquash]

We won't admit it's a huge factor because we know that it's usually not insurmountable. Also, people who post thinking they're ugly usually aren't, and instead have self-esteem issues that are the main cause of their problems (e.g. Combine, if you remember that far back).

It's a factor, but it's also something of a variable...it might matter, but only if you let it and the amount of work that it takes to overcome it depends solely on how your game is (for lack of a better term).

Yes, there are people that look delicious, and that first impression can make one hell of an impact. Thing is, beauty is NOT skin deep, it's zeitgeist deep. Associate yourself with people who value you for who you are, want to be around you, and you'll do nothing but make yourself more attractive, for the most part. The odd part is, when people see that others find you attractive, they'll attribute physical goodness to you, I reckon.

 

[Cubsfan23]

I don't understand this. If I'm acting positive, and/or confident, how do they have any idea that I know I'm a schlub?

The vibe you put out

 

[jaxword]

The vibe you put out

I've been saying this constantly for like 10 pages and I'm not sure it's actually getting through. :/

 

[Minamu]

I've been saying this constantly for like 10 pages and I'm not sure it's actually getting through. :/

And we have for maybe two threads xD Frustrating, isn't it?

 

[Cubsfan23]

a lot of stuff i had to be told 100 times before it sunk in.........

Your vibe is the single most important thing when it comes to anything social. People will mirror whatever energy you put out.

 

[Slayer-33]

a lot of stuff i had to be told 100 times before it sunk in.........

Your vibe is the single most important thing when it comes to anything social. People will mirror whatever energy you put out.

People should really focus on that tbh once they figure that out I'm sure the other shit will come naturally.

 

[Jabo]

All this talk about appearance on this page really hits home. It's terrible.

On and to top it off people say I have a weird voice. Not sure what I can do about that.

Pretty much man. I've only been called ugly by girls I tried asking out so I just gave up completely. Happy to see dating-age going strong though, good luck guys!

 

[Omegasquash]

Pretty much man. I've only been called ugly by girls I tried asking out so I just gave up completely. Happy to see dating-age going strong though, good luck guys!

Say what? Best advice I can give is to re-examine what kind of girl you want to be with, because long term? If someone will call you ugly when you try to ask them out, they're either just plain mean or you did something to offend their sense of self worth.

And I'm assuming the former because I'm guessing you read this thread.

 

[ianp622]

Everyone's voice is weird when you think about it. I didn't know what I sounded like till I heard an answering machine that had my voice on it, and I didn't even recognize it cause it sounded so stupid.

Yeah, but if others have said his voice is weird, and he is self-conscious about it, he could look into a voice coach.

People should really focus on that tbh once they figure that out I'm sure the other shit will come naturally.

It's hard to focus directly on your vibe - instead, you have to work on your self-confidence, and the vibe will come out.

Pretty much man. I've only been called ugly by girls I tried asking out so I just gave up completely. Happy to see dating-age going strong though, good luck guys!

Look at it this way - they made it easy on you. Now you should have no regrets about not getting a date with them because they aren't people you would ever want to be around.

 

[low-G]

This is me on the far right. I haven't been to the gym since March. I've never been comfortable with my body, least of all my face. My face has always caused me crazy anxiety throughout my entire life. I'm skinny yet have a bit of a tummy that I worry over sometimes. I hate taking pictures and hardly ever look right in them imho. This is the first time I've dared showing myself on this forum and I've been here for years now. This was taken a bit over a year ago, and it's the only picture I really like, enough to have as my facebook profile picture. But even with these issues, I somehow managed to attract one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen two days ago, while wearing a GAF shirt Link

Personally, as a dude (and hetero dude sense doesn't always work well with what females actually want) I think you're the most attractive guy in that group. That's really you in the first picture? Because that 'one year' ago picture is horrible and it gives me hope that I can still improve a lot!



Anyways, amazingly I do understand this vibe stuff, because it really DOES come down to the way you act. It's even true for girls. I know one girl that could realistically be called 'ugly' but she acts so damn cute and either she's compensating or whatever but it makes her so much more appealing than any of the realistically more attractive women I know (except a handful). She's a lovely person and frankly I'd marry her or anything if she wasn't spoken for lol.

But I've also gotten a sense of the vibe I put out myself and I'm working on that. It took me a very long time to get in touch with this. Honestly, it takes real effort. Like I've even had to work on my smile. It's not just a little work. It's getting my face to do stuff it doesn't normally do and working on a smile that looks real good on my face. That's a real thing you can work on.

Vibe overall is about a billion different things, from fine motor controls to how your brain decides to speak and everything. Work on that for real, because I really do see how the ugliest guy could be the absolute center of attention and lust all through the way he acts. It's clear now. I just have to practice applying that to myself.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Ok, I'm looking for some quick feedback on a little back and forth I had over the weekend:


- Met a girl in the mall on Saturday around 3:00
- Chatted for about 5 minutes, she was on her way to work
- She seemed interested, I asked for her number, she gave it to me
- I asked how the rest of her weekend looked and if she'd like to go out for lunch/dinner sometime
- she said she'd let me know if she had to work on sunday or not
- we parted ways

- later on, at about 8:00, I texted her saying "hey, it's X, we met in the mall earlier, if you're free tomorrow, I'd like to take you out to X, let me know if you've got any free time" (just as a reminder)

- Sunday comes, I hear nothing all day
- I text her back at around 9:00 p.m Sunday night saying, "hey you could at least shoot me a "sorry, not interested/busy so I don't have to wonder why I didn't get a response.... I don't want to hang onto your number for no reason."
- She texts back almost immediately, "Ok, delete the number, lol"


Was I hounding her, or is she a b****?

 

[EviLore]

This is me on the far right. I haven't been to the gym since March. I've never been comfortable with my body, least of all my face. My face has always caused me crazy anxiety throughout my entire life. I'm skinny yet have a bit of a tummy that I worry over sometimes. I hate taking pictures and hardly ever look right in them imho. This is the first time I've dared showing myself on this forum and I've been here for years now. This was taken a bit over a year ago, and it's the only picture I really like, enough to have as my facebook profile picture. But even with these issues, I somehow managed to attract one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen two days ago, while wearing a GAF shirt Link

You look way better in the current picture than the one year ago picture, for the record. Congrats on meeting someone!

 

[low-G]

Ok, I'm looking for some quick feedback on a little back and forth I had over the weekend:


- Met a girl in the mall on Saturday around 3:00
- Chatted for about 5 minutes, she was on her way to work
- She seemed interested, I asked for her number, she gave it to me
- I asked how the rest of her weekend looked and if she'd like to go out for lunch/dinner sometime
- she said she'd let me know if she had to work on sunday or not
- we parted ways

- later on, at about 8:00, I texted her saying "hey, it's X, we met in the mall earlier, if you're free tomorrow, I'd like to take you out to X, let me know if you've got any free time" (just as a reminder)

- Sunday comes, I hear nothing all day
- I text her back at around 9:00 p.m Sunday night saying, "hey you could at least shoot me a "sorry, not interested/busy so I don't have to wonder why I didn't get a response.... I don't want to hang onto your number for no reason."
- She texts back almost immediately, "Ok, delete the number, lol"


Was I hounding her, or is she a b****?

You were being a bit pushy and demanding, and maybe she's a bit of a bitch but she wanted something with zero commitment from you at this point. You just met her, she doesn't owe you anything. Sure she was maybe a bit rude but people get busy with their own lives.

Bottom line you wanted someone that's different than her and she did too. No big problems.

 

[Omegasquash]

Ok, I'm looking for some quick feedback on a little back and forth I had over the weekend:


- Met a girl in the mall on Saturday around 3:00
- Chatted for about 5 minutes, she was on her way to work
- She seemed interested, I asked for her number, she gave it to me
- I asked how the rest of her weekend looked and if she'd like to go out for lunch/dinner sometime
- she said she'd let me know if she had to work on sunday or not
- we parted ways

- later on, at about 8:00, I texted her saying "hey, it's X, we met in the mall earlier, if you're free tomorrow, I'd like to take you out to X, let me know if you've got any free time" (just as a reminder)

- Sunday comes, I hear nothing all day
- I text her back at around 9:00 p.m Sunday night saying, "hey you could at least shoot me a "sorry, not interested/busy so I don't have to wonder why I didn't get a response.... I don't want to hang onto your number for no reason."
- She texts back almost immediately, "Ok, delete the number, lol"


Was I hounding her, or is she a b****?

Little of both, though I'm inclined to say more hounding on your part. The Sunday text strikes me as unnecessary....if she's not showing interest, you can assume that she's not interested and just delete the number. That text sounded pretty needy, not something that a gal you've chatted with for a few minutes wants to see.

Live and learn, man. On to the next, as it sounds like you've got your face to face game working well!

 

[Hypereides]

Why did this thread descend into the superficial...?

This is me on the far right. I haven't been to the gym since March. I've never been comfortable with my body, least of all my face. My face has always caused me crazy anxiety throughout my entire life. I'm skinny yet have a bit of a tummy that I worry over sometimes. I hate taking pictures and hardly ever look right in them imho. This is the first time I've dared showing myself on this forum and I've been here for years now. This was taken a bit over a year ago, and it's the only picture I really like, enough to have as my facebook profile picture. But even with these issues, I somehow managed to attract one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen two days ago, while wearing a GAF shirt Link

The true identity of the batman panty-thief has been revealed!

Its kinda funny, I was pretty certain I had seen a photo of you before. But now I have.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Won't do that again.

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

 

[jaxword]

Pretty much man. I've only been called ugly by girls I tried asking out so I just gave up completely. Happy to see dating-age going strong though, good luck guys!

Dude I had a girl flat out LAUGH IN MY FACE when I asked her out because she thought someone was playing a prank on her. Totally serious, she thought her friends found the ugliest guy at the club (it was her graduation or something?) just to boost her ego.

If you can't make it with looks, then you need money or charm to compensate.

 

[Darren870]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Won't do that again.

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

Be patient. Less then one day notice for a date is kind of hard for planning. You would have had better chance asking her out for a day during the week or the following weekend.

 

[Unicorn]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Won't do that again.

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

Wait.

Wait

Wait some more.

The tension and suspense may be killing you, but you want it to affect her as well. Make it seem like you have your own life to lead. To me, you came off like you were waiting by your phone all weekend, like this girl of 5 mins. Had suddenly became your whole life. Waaaaay too needy flag was shot up into the stars for her.

 

[Tex117]

Was I hounding her, or is she a b****?

You hounded her.

 

[Hypereides]

Dude I had a girl flat out LAUGH IN MY FACE when I asked her out because she thought someone was playing a prank on her. Totally serious, she thought her friends found the ugliest guy at the club (it was her graduation or something?) just to boost her ego.

If you can't make it with looks, then you need money or charm to compensate.

You gotta be fucking kidding me. You suspiciously sound like a second kinggi on that line.

Has this thread been shooting for the shit gutter recently? These last few pages have been startling me in gross quality.

 

[Omegasquash]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Won't do that again.

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

You'd think, but it hurts your head to think (hurt mine back in the day, anyway). A good thing to do while you're waiting on one prospect to get back to you is find other prospects. As cheap as it sounds, look at it like a sales pipeline. Get as many opportunities in there as possible, because lots of things don't pan out. You're not in a relationship yet, so exclusivity doesn't matter, right?

 

[low-G]

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

You're a complete stranger she just met for 5 minutes!

You should have waited at least a couple of days, maybe the next day she would have gotten back to you. Maybe she saw the text but was busy then forgot about it?

Patience is a virtue in all things, girls like it, girls hate being ignored. Increase your value by not wanting so much. If you act super pushy & needy that gets annoying / creepy / scary to most girls.

She was legitimately pissed off after your demanding of courtesy, that's why she replied instantly.

So yeah, overall she's not at all needy right now. In fact she might be full of herself, but you were also needy. Basically a match made in hell.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Won't do that again.

But I would think that if she was interested enough to give her number to a complete stranger she talked to for less than 5 minutes, she could at least give a quick courtesy, "I'm busy, sorry" if she a) lost interest or b) was busy? Is that really too much to ask? In the future, if I continue have pleasant interactions, get numbers, send texts, and get no responses, I should just give up on the person? or should I just learn to be patient and wait for more than 24 hours.....

Damn dude, don't you have anything else going on in your life? You probably seemed desperate, like you were putting all your weekend into this one girl, and all this extra thought you're putting into it is confirming it more.

In your first text, I would have invited her to something you were already doing that weekend. As it is, you made it clear you didn't have shit going on and were waiting for her. If she didn't bite, I'd ignore her forever.

Also, girls don't owe you anything just because you talked to them.

 

[Autumn Wind]

Wow! Some real sound advice here and stories to boot. I'm a bit bewildered yet amazed.

 

[Arksy]

Ok so here's the deal. Was dating girl #1, early stages still (6 weeks or so). Was meant to take girl #1 to a cosplay ball this past Saturday. Girl #1 bailed on me.

I wasn't there alone though, luckily I knew a few people there. This isn't the first time girl #1 has bailed on me and I'm sorely tempted to end the relationship because I'm quite sick of it. I had a fun time on saturday regardless and then meet and greet girl #2.

Girl #2 and I spent most of the night chatting away ourselves. I was still with Girl #1 at this stage so I didn't initiate any kissing and kept contact very light, a couple of hugs and a bit of back rubbing, nothing extreme. Saturday was compounded by the fact that I have a major exam on wednesday, so no drinking on my part occured. Girl #2 drank though.

Added Girl #2 on facebook. Girl #1 and I are pretty much on the end of our tether. Basically I want to ask girl #2 out. I don't really know her at all and remember that no intimacy so far has occured as of yet. I will wait until after my wednesday exam because frankly that's far more important. I just wanted some friendly advice as to how best to approach it. I don't have her number and she's not a facebook frequent visitor. My best strategy was a cold ask out "Hey, now that my exam is over, how about coffee? Sunday? 12pm? Bliss Cafe? Cool see you there." All in one message but I want to throw it out to some of my betters.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

The key is not appearing needy, which I totally get. But on another note, I've heard a ridiculous amount of differing opinions on the whole "wait 3-4 days" before you call/text approach. Some girls feel like its complete b.s. and you're basically ignoring them, while others, like the girl I met, probably wouldn't mind the buffer time. Do you roll the dice, or just wait every time?

 

[Klyka]

Dude I had a girl flat out LAUGH IN MY FACE when I asked her out because she thought someone was playing a prank on her. Totally serious, she thought her friends found the ugliest guy at the club (it was her graduation or something?) just to boost her ego.

If you can't make it with looks, then you need money or charm to compensate.

Pics of you or it didn't happen.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

The key is not appearing needy, which I totally get. But on another note, I've heard a ridiculous amount of differing opinions on the whole "wait 3-4 days" before you call/text approach. Some girls feel like its complete b.s. and you're basically ignoring them, while others, like the girl I met, probably wouldn't mind the buffer time. Do you roll the dice, or just wait every time?

If a girl really likes you and you don't come off weird in your text, it doesn't matter when you do it.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Really, guys? Plastic surgery? Have we really come to this?

Yes, looks matter as a first impression (humans are superficial), but it's not the deal-breaker. Sure, if you want to hook-up find the hottest person in the room and shoot them your best "come-hither" look, but most people want a meaningful relationship with substance. Looks don't provide that.

Don't psych yourself out looking for signs of interest. If you find a girl interesting, tell her. You can overanalyze all you want but you won't know until you ask.

 

[low-G]

If a girl really likes you and you don't come off weird in your text, it doesn't matter when you do it.

No, you can easily overdo it depending on the girl even if she really likes you. The worst that happens if you ignore a girl that likes you is she'll feel all needy and sad, which can be fixed in a lot of ways.

I think if you're not at all needy yourself you need not worry about this at all, but if you are then it's best to be a bit cool on texting.

The key is not appearing needy, which I totally get. But on another note, I've heard a ridiculous amount of differing opinions on the whole "wait 3-4 days" before you call/text approach. Some girls feel like its complete b.s. and you're basically ignoring them, while others, like the girl I met, probably wouldn't mind the buffer time. Do you roll the dice, or just wait every time?

You're only ignoring the girl if she messages you and you wait 3-4 days to reply. If you don't text her and she doesn't text you, neither of you are ignoring each other.

Ok so here's the deal. Was dating girl #1, early stages still (6 weeks or so). Was meant to take girl #1 to a cosplay ball this past Saturday. Girl #1 bailed on me.

I wasn't there alone though, luckily I knew a few people there. This isn't the first time girl #1 has bailed on me and I'm sorely tempted to end the relationship because I'm quite sick of it. I had a fun time on saturday regardless and then meet and greet girl #2.

Girl #2 and I spent most of the night chatting away ourselves. I was still with Girl #1 at this stage so I didn't initiate any kissing and kept contact very light, a couple of hugs and a bit of back rubbing, nothing extreme. Saturday was compounded by the fact that I have a major exam on wednesday, so no drinking on my part occured. Girl #2 drank though.

Added Girl #2 on facebook. Girl #1 and I are pretty much on the end of our tether. Basically I want to ask girl #2 out. I don't really know her at all and remember that no intimacy so far has occured as of yet. I will wait until after my wednesday exam because frankly that's far more important. I just wanted some friendly advice as to how best to approach it. I don't have her number and she's not a facebook frequent visitor. My best strategy was a cold ask out "Hey, now that my exam is over, how about coffee? Sunday? 12pm? Bliss Cafe? Cool see you there." All in one message but I want to throw it out to some of my betters.

Personally I wouldn't stand for any of that being stood up BS. Have you had a sex with girl #1 yet? Have you talked about having a relationship? If not just start dating girl 2 and forget about #1.

 

[Prologue]

No, there's not, but I guess it doesn't hurt to know that other people are going through the same shitty problem. I still don't understand why people don't admit that someone's beauty is huge, or possibly the main factor in their attractiveness for a lot of people.

EDIT: Also, I'm sorry that I brought up the whole "how much do looks matter?" debate. I'm just sick and tired of how unattractive I think I must be and wanted to vent. I know that no matter what I say or do, the night will end, tomorrow will begin, and it will make no difference. I'll always be like this. I'm just sick of it being this way...

Why don't you post a picture? You keep talking about looks so post one. Its not important as you might think. Sure, it plays a role in a initial encounter but for me, there are a load of other factors that must be there in order to keep my attention for more than a week. There was this one girl I use to know that I grew up with and always use to make fun of her due to her physical appearance. We started to date because we had fun together. After like two weeks, I couldn't keep my eyes off her. Getting to know her made me appreciate her beauty that much more. So trust me, its not always 1+1=2.

You could be the best looking guy here but your attitude stinks. You don't think people can pick up on that? I'm sure whatever experiences you had hasn't given you much reason to think differently, but you're still suppose to keep your head on your shoulders and believe you're worth a damm. God, don't I know i have my moments. But you're suppose to keep pushing forward. This is an uphill game. And its going to be a long one at that.

 

[Arksy]

Personally I wouldn't stand for any of that being stood up BS. Have you had a sex with girl #1 yet? Have you talked about having a relationship? If not just start dating girl 2 and forget about #1.

Yep. Girl #1 and I have become intimate but there has been no talk of a relationship. I agree with your advice. I forgave it twice but the third time was one time too many and am planning to end it. My question was more centered on how to score a date with Girl #2 considering my limited options for contact and the fact that not a whole lot happened in the few hours we met.