Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped

The Praiseworthy said:
So in another words... NEVER!?

Because nothing SE these days do can top their best game ever.. and one of the greatest games of all time IMO :(
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This basically, VIII and IX give it a run for it's money but if I am being honest, VII is still the king.

XII was a travesty, even it's biggest fans admit that the story was lacking, and that kills the game from competing with its older brothers.
 
I understand where he's coming from with VII. It was Square's first real go at 3D, and the entire project was like one enormous, cutting edge experiment or prototype, with the best minds and all reasources being poured into it. They really didn't even know if they could pull it off and it was a daring and bold gamble.

FFs now are like an assembly line. They don't have that "Can we really pull this off?" mentality that made VII so great. Square needs to once again start funding gambles again (Xenogears was a perfect example) and create the future as they once did. The company has lost its way and has become uninspired.
 
FF IV, VI, VIII, IX, X, and XIII were and have all been better than VII is in its current form. So... I'm not quite sure what the hell Wada is talking about.

And yes, I included XIII in that list. Deal with it.

GregLombardi said:
I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?
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I'm 27, and I think FF VII was topped before its creation, and has been topped several times since.
 
Out of all the Pre-X FF, I found V to be best in terms of battle, VIII for story, and VII & IX for soundtrack. I'm 21 btw.
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
Please god no. Would you rather Toriyama ruin more mainline, numbered entries in the series, or have him stay busy and occupied with endless XIII sequels? Let sleeping dogs lie man! (Or ma'am.)
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This is actually pretty reasonable. It's so weird, didn't he have the same role on XIII as he did on FFX? I thought that was far better received than XIII.

Edit: it's also man, btw.
 
Do really people think current SE can handle FFVII remake with all the hurdles that were already discussed in similar thread on GAF?

That's the reason I don't want SE to touch the Soul Blazer series again despite me bitching left and right.
 
Shadow780 said:
Because it sucks.

Oh and IX was boring as hell.

VI? overrated.

here's a bonus: Chrono Cross was the best Chrono game.
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I didn't like FF9 but I did like FF6, it was my personal favorite FF.

Chrono Cross is my favorite game of all time, by far. You do have to admit, there'd be no Cross without Trigger though. ;)
 
Zaptruder said:
Basically he's saying that remaking FF7 now would be a clear admission that the glories of the franchise are in its past.

Of course that's what happens when you dilute the shit out of your brand and make it so that the people that gave the most shit about your franchise have long since moved on (i.e. you continue to market to the teenage crowd when the original teenagers that made the franchise as successful as it was have all grown up).

But that's a problem that exists not in a vacuum - but because western and eastern gaming culture varies; people don't stop gaming in the west, but they do in the east - and is naturally seen as a pursuit for the young there.
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Pretty much along the lines of how I feel. Honestly this is a smart decision just because the Final Fantasy brand is so tarnished compared to the PS1/PS2 days for multiple reasons. What's the point of investing in a FFVII Remake if the brand is so damaged it might not make its money back? A FFVII Remake is an ace in the hole for them and they only get one shot at it. Far better to build up the brand again, get people to like (and buy) the series and then release it.
 
So there will never be FF7 remake ? Im fine with that.
 
DJNoctis said:
Even if you didn't like the story for XII, I think Ivalice is the most interesting world in the FF series.
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I don't know about that. I do think Ivalice is the world that's been fleshed out the most out of all the Final Fantasies. That might be why it's the most interesting. I still find none of the FF world's fascinating to capture my attention...
 
Mister Saturn said:
XII's story was coherant until near the end. Would've been a Game of the Forever if SE hadn't meddled so much and just left Matsuno to his own devices.
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So we are still going with the "Matsuno was wronged by Squeenix's corporate meddling and was in no way responsible for the game's mismanagement" urban myth, I see.
 
GregLombardi said:
I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?
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I think the younger generation who got into FF7 well after it's release simply because they were too young to play it when it first came out might be giving the edge towards some of the more recent Final Fantasy games like IX and X.

I was like 11 when FF7 first came out, and I was floored. But I could see somebody several years younger having FF9 has their first major PS1 era FF game, and then backtracking to older Final Fantasies like 7, and not really being that impressed.
 
DJNoctis said:
Even if you didn't like the story for XII, I think Ivalice is the most interesting world in the FF series.
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I will say that Ivalice was an amazingly lush and gorgeous world. And nothing will compare to Rabanastre. It was all wasted though. Nothing in that game makes an emotional connection like previous FFs do. That gorgeous universe is just too good for that game.


Mister Saturn said:
XII's story was coherant until near the end. Would've been a Game of the Forever if SE hadn't meddled so much and just left Matsuno to his own devices.

VI has one of the weakest villains in the entire franchise. Come at me.
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It wasn't just the parts near the end. The pacing throughout the game was just unbearable. It really just felt like the game's plot goes "fuck it" and just totally checks out way, way before the game ends. I don't know what they allegedly did to Matsuno, or what difficulties they were facing, but something clearly went wrong behind closed doors while making XII and it shows.
 
I still cannot believe people want this fucking remake. If you need HD graphics to justify your liking a game, that says more about you than the quality itself.
 
The best Final Fantasy is currently being ported to the Vita anyway, I have no idea what Wada is smoking.

(I played VII when it first came out at the tender age of 12)
 
anaron said:
I still cannot believe people want this fucking remake. If you need HD graphics to justify your liking a game, that says more about you than the quality itself.
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What's wrong with wanting to see a world that you remember fondly brought to life with new and improved, fresh coat of paint? I highly doubt anyone here is asking for VII to get remade with pretty graphics even if SE can't handle doing the original justice. No one wants FFVII: FFXIII.

AAlias said:
FFX topped FFVII in most areas, so I don't see what he's talking about
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That was Squaresoft. VII wipes the floor with what SE's put out so far.
 
I always felt IX was better, or rather I liked it more, but clearly the tide of public opinion nostalgia is still behind VII

XII had a story but then again it didn't. Worse still was how you often had to parade through several large and barren zones to reach a vague objective that the player has likely forgotten all about by the time they're through. It was just badly done plot.
Now IZJS added several whole new layers of (gameplay) fun, if you haven't played it you should now. It's considerably better than vanilla XII. I found it much easier to ignore the lack of plot and pacing.

AAlias said:
FFX topped FFVII in most areas, so I don't see what he's talking about
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Did it? It was way more linear (as linear as XIII even), had more awkward dialogue and was much slower to get started. Subjectively it had worse music too.
 
ok, all i can ask for at this point is to redo the pre-rendered backgrounds and touch up the 3D battle graphics and maybe a few extra quests because a full blown remake ain't happening.
 
lowhighkang_LHK said:
I think the younger generation who got into FF7 well after it's release simply because they were too young to play it when it first came out might be giving the edge towards some of the more recent Final Fantasy games like IX and X.

I was like 11 when FF7 first came out, and I was floored. But I could see somebody several years younger having FF9 has their first major PS1 era FF game, and then backtracking to older Final Fantasies like 7, and not really being that impressed.
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I think that people too often jump to age when trying to determine why someone might like another Final Fantasy game more than another. The fact of the matter is that every FF game is unique, and it's one of the reasons people are fans of the series. Certain aspects of each game will appeal to certain types of people more than others. I'm most likely older than most people in this thread, and while I love FF7, I'm not going to say it's flawless or that aspects of it have not been topped since. I'm also not going to say that games before it weren't better in some aspects, too. None of the games are perfect; all Final Fantasy games have flaws in some areas and strengths in others. I don't have a favorite Final Fantasy game, but were I to list the ones that I currently favor more than others, I would give you a couple of games that span the enteire length of the series, most likely, up to and past 7. And in the case of 9, it was actually designed to appeal to older fans of the series in many ways, hearkening back to the earlier games, and many older fans of the series favor it.
 
Arguments aside, VII is the most demanded remake for a reason. I know that I've wanted it ever since I saw the tech demo eons ago. I think VII was such a big, ambitious project and it's story really was one of the greatest in my memory from any of the FF games.

Edit: I think Wada saying they'll make it when it's been topped is a VERY bad thing to say, because it's a cop out for one, and two, theoretically it'll never be topped with the current business model and development mindset, they're moving further and further from a huge, comprehensive experience to something more linear that can be rehashed into future installments.
 
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