Team Filler
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My mistake. I was under the impression Vaan and Penelo were not originally part of Matsuno's plan, which is what I was talking about with meddling.
Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped
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My mistake. I was under the impression Vaan and Penelo were not originally part of Matsuno's plan, which is what I was talking about with meddling.
Pie and Beans
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Wow this brand is so dead. I mean 14 sequels all with different sets of characters, worlds, and gameplay is an achievement, but it feels like with the inevitable 15, thats it, draw a line under it.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I guess any jRPG maker in the world would love to have a series "dead" as Final Fantasy... lol.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
I really wonder what their gameplan is. I'm sure they're not content with what FF has become, and would be eager to create something that would top VII, but how exactly are they gonna go about it? Everything they've been doing from FFXI till now has been moving them further and further away from making such a game.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
By giving Versus XIII all the time and money needed to make it a masterpiece? It's not that difficult really, they just have the best team working on it (with the best producer and director currently available) with limitless budget and time. Now they just need good marketing when the time is close.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll be content with a sub 500k series!
Honestly, I feel like the problem is that SE just doesn't know how to develop as efficiently this generation for console games. Because of this, the entire process gets jumbled and we end up with a game that either ends up being bipolar and not as great as our past. It also doesn't help that our memories are perhaps skewed and makes games appear better than they actually are.
Electivirus
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21. I've enjoyed IX, X, X-2, XII, XIII, and XIII-2 more than VII. That being said, I still love VII. Hell, I love every (mainline) FF game I've played.
Maybe somewhere... deep down, they're still hurt that Sakaguchi is gone. They want him back.
I think I'm fine with everything with the exception of XIII and XIII-2 in that comment. Maybe I'm a big ignorant but I don't get how people could think XIII-2 is better than VII, other than its battle system.
computers putin'
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I thought it was too, the closest one to topping VII. With that said, no game they've released has topped VII imo, but they've released games good enough to at least make it debatable. But if they're waiting to release a game with the same type of reverence as VII before they make a remake, then it's never happening. I wonder if we'll ever get a remake of VIII and IX now.....
ZombiePlatypus
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I guess Versus would be the closest possible candidate but I'm not sure even that title has the same wow-factor that VII had when it first came out. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm not giving it enough credit.
I'm hoping they figured stuff out now and are ready to create stuff efficiently next gen. Maybe the PS4 will have it's own FFVII.
LEAVE ME ALONE. I CAN DREAM CAN'T I?
I guess Versus would be the closest possible candidate but I'm not sure even that title has the same wow-factor that VII had when it first came out. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm not giving it enough credit.
According to the GT retrospective, the company needs to have the project be essentially a make or bust. lol.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I guess Versus would be the closest possible candidate but I'm not sure even that title has the same wow-factor that VII had when it first came out. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm not giving it enough credit.
Let's make it clear, I don't think any Final Fantasy – even the best – today could sell 10ml+ worldwide. But I'm sure a Final Fantasy can still get critical acclaim from all over the world if well executed. As for sales, I don't think it'll ever surpass 6-7 ml worldwide again at least for this generation of consoles.
ULTROS!
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You should play FFI-FFIII then.
I had fun with IV-VI, but most definitely love IV (VI is right next to it).
Glass Rebel
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It'd sell more than double of that on the name alone.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Maybe somewhere... deep down, they're still hurt that Sakaguchi is gone. They want him back.
They should just get him back. It's not like Mistwalker has revealed any upcoming projects that are worthwhile anyway.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
9, so when's the remake out?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
In my perfect fantasy world, beating Versus unlocks, a secret, hidden, playable FFVII remake demo. One that ends with a solid release date.
Also an apology for unleashing Toriyama on FF fans.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
We could all be waiting a while then ...
CielTynave
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But they haven't made any worthwhile ones either.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
It'd be like when an awesome band breaks up to do shitty solo projects, then they reunite when they realize the members need eachother.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
At least it's still somewhat profitable and they're still making games, even if it isn't stuff that I enjoy as much as previous entries. Really, many of my favourite RPG series are either dying or are already dead in the water.
I don't know what I like, though we've had this discussion before in the community thread. They're not perfect, but they have something that I enjoy.ULTROS! said:You should play FFI-FFIII then.
I had fun with IV-VI, but most definitely love IV (VI is right next to it).
But I'm a weirdo who likes FFII, so... *shrug*. I remember when I liked FFIV so much that it got me into the series, but now I can't help but to poke fun at it for its story being utterly silly and the game's class system itself for being restrictive (well, in the non-DS versions). I don't think I ever liked FFI when I played it on the NES because I ended up comparing it to DQ1 and liked DQ1 a lot more.
Electivirus
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Art direction, music, battle system, characters, general user-friendliness (saving anywhere, retrying battles with no penalties, restoring HP after battles, fragment skills), story, locations... I pretty much prefer everything about XIII-2 to VII. I don't really wanna turn this into yet another RAWR BEST/WORST FF WAR, but yeah. But as I've said before, I still love VII a lot. I'm in the middle of my second playthrough, actually, and it's just as great as I remember it being.
You should play FFI-FFIII then.
Haha, the first four are definitely on the lower tier for me (they're a bit too simple, gameplay/music-wise for my tastes), but I love them all the same.
Man, I could never imagine hating any of the FF games. They're all so friggin' great.
There will never be a FF as good as FFVII. Ever. E V E R.
So that about wraps it up for the remake.
And frankly, as I've maintained for several years now, I don't trust S-E as they are today to get a VII remake right, anyway. Clean it up a little bit and do a Steam reissue or something, but a full-blown remake? Forget it.
So that about wraps it up for the remake.
And frankly, as I've maintained for several years now, I don't trust S-E as they are today to get a VII remake right, anyway. Clean it up a little bit and do a Steam reissue or something, but a full-blown remake? Forget it.
*sigh* I honestly do not know what this series need really. It's just... everything is weird to break down and critique. The industry has drastically changed since last gen and gaming has become so.... weird. Like GAF. lolz.
Trying too hard man...
FF2 is something people just try way too hard to play incorrectly. If you actually just play like you'd normally play any FF game, you'll progress just fine without issues, and it's quite a blast. My opinion of it improves every time I play it. And FF3 on the Famicom is one of my favorite games of all time.You should play FFI-FFIII then.
I had fun with IV-VI, but most definitely love IV (VI is right next to it).
Naw. That's just, like, my opinion, man. (And it is).
Why Famicom? The remake looks, sounds, and plays a trillion times better.
Wait you were serious? The way you said it made it sound like you weren't. lol. my bad.
No it doesn't. It's slower, the battles are limited to 3 enemies, it's slower, the job system being changed to have a debuff instead of using capacity points is irritating, it's slower, I prefer the job distribution of the original (thief at the beginning in DS is cool I suppose) and the balance as well (ninja in particular), it's a lot slower, the arranged music is irritatingly heavy on the synth brass, did I mention it's wayyy slower?
Check out the FF anniversary playthrough thread for my detailed play report posts wherein I detail why I like the Famicom version so much more as I went through it. It's indexed in this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37229574&postcount=1903
Hot Coldman
Banned
Step 1: get back Matsuno
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I'd almost say that every time I play FFII, my original appreciation for FFIV's narrative steadily decreases since FFII actually gets things done. Plus, as you said, if you play it the way it was intended, then it feels fun. I really like FFII.
I should replay the Famicom version of FFIII sometime, as your playthrough almost pushed me to do it, and especially given that the last time I played FFIII was with the DS version (which I didn't like, not as much as the Famicom version).
Heh, well, that's exactly what I said in the anniversary thread.
Glass Rebel
Member
Are you talking about the DS remake? I'm glad I dodged that bullet then. phew.
Now begins the wait for a 2D FF3 remake on Vita/3DS/iOS.
Typhoon_Ex
Member
FF VIII and XII were better IMO they just didn't have the same impact as VII.
Switching to Sony and going 3D was HUGE at the time.
Switching to Sony and going 3D was HUGE at the time.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
It's almost a little too bad that I went straight from FFI to FFIV and ended up liking IV so much that it got me into the series (though for some inexplicable reason, I didn't like VI back then so I ended up playing it in my mid-teens instead). I feel like it wouldn't have taken me as long to appreciate FFII in general if I had went FFI -> FFII... and perhaps I would have disliked IV a lot because of theHeh, well, that's exactly what I said in the anniversary thread.
sacrifice means nothing
I'm guessing your reason for disliking vanilla FFIV is because it took away the flexibility with regards to the characters' jobs that FFIII granted you and made them fixed?
FFV was my first FF and has my favorite customization system out of all the FFs.
Yes, my primary reason for being down on FF4 is the fact that it has no progression system whatsoever. After 3, that was just nuts.
I'm 30. I think VIII, IX and X were all better than VII. As was VI, though that's not part of the question.
But I really wasn't very keen on the ending of VII.
But Versus, based on the footage we've seen, just looks like Kingdom Hearts II with a an incredible emphasis on black clothes and Latin. Is this the same Versus people are assuming will be the best game Square will ever put out, the same Versus that will literally save Final Fantasy, with no proof to that assumption other than blind faith and the fact the title has missed this entire generation? It seems more akin to Duke Nukem Forever in what it may end it being, a game that shows it was conceived many, many years ago, and one that can't stand on its own when/if it comes out other than as a throwback game. I can't see any other outcome for the title.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Has been topped by their own games and several others. Pinnacle of JRPGs. Yeah, no. 26.
BassForever
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Was topped by IX, XII, and arguably X (I am 22 for the person asking)
Also the proper response should have been "we need to finish remaking FFV and FFVI first"
Also the proper response should have been "we need to finish remaking FFV and FFVI first"
One big problem I feel Versus has is that it's an action-RPG. Quite a few people I know who bought FF7 even though they were just casual gamers came into the RPG genre because it didn't require dexterity and don't like fully real-time systems because it's harder to have a good picture of what's going on with everything going in parallel.
The only way a remake of FFVII could work:
Releasing it on 3DS. Improving the visuals just as much as they were improved in Zelda OoT 3DS, without loosing it's original charme, making it the definitive version of the game.
This "small" graphical overhaul would be perfectly justifiable in the eyes of the 3DS's power (people would be satisfied, the game would still look good, develpment cost would be reasonable)
11 Million sold no problem!
On home consoles it wouldn't work. People would demand too much from it visually, making it way too expensive. The game would loose it's charme, since every character would be a highly-detailed japanese supermodel, which would put too many die-hard fans off and lessen it's overall apeal.
Another good thing about the OG FFVII was it's blockiness and moderate japanese-que character models, which appealed to a wide audiance.
IF they do decide to go the Zelda OoT 3DS root, it would look too out-dated in the light of the competing HD games. This wouldn't be a problem on 3DS.
Releasing it on 3DS. Improving the visuals just as much as they were improved in Zelda OoT 3DS, without loosing it's original charme, making it the definitive version of the game.
This "small" graphical overhaul would be perfectly justifiable in the eyes of the 3DS's power (people would be satisfied, the game would still look good, develpment cost would be reasonable)
11 Million sold no problem!
On home consoles it wouldn't work. People would demand too much from it visually, making it way too expensive. The game would loose it's charme, since every character would be a highly-detailed japanese supermodel, which would put too many die-hard fans off and lessen it's overall apeal.
Another good thing about the OG FFVII was it's blockiness and moderate japanese-que character models, which appealed to a wide audiance.
IF they do decide to go the Zelda OoT 3DS root, it would look too out-dated in the light of the competing HD games. This wouldn't be a problem on 3DS.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
You're suggesting the remake of Final Fantasy VII should look worse than a 2008 title like Crisis Core? You're crazy if you think I'd play a shit like that when I've seen better on an older hardware. Square can do better.