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[Hi i'm Caleb]

I think you should ask yourself...

1. Does it currently have games I want to play?

2. Have there been any games announced that I might be interested in?

3. Do I have time to play through the few games I may want?

If you answered yes to all of these questions. Then it is most likely worth it for you to...wait for a sale and snag one. I enjoy mine.

What you want to look for here, JokerofSpades, is quality over quantity.

If you answered no to these questions then you are better off doing one of the following:

A. Not getting a Vita and saving your money

B. Waiting until later this year and getting a Vita and games during Black Friday sales. (if you live in a place that does that of course)

 

[Shai-Tan]

I read an interesting article on Kotaku that gives a very dark and dim opinion on it. Its worth reading.

I was thinking of getting one for Uncharted but now im iffy.

http://kotaku.com/5923772/he-says-the-playstation-vita-is-already-dead

I didn't feel it was worth reading. I could give the same evidence for the PS3. Looking at gamerankings the PS3 barely got anything until the year following it's release. The idea that it is already dead because of the level of support isn't supported by evidence. That isn't evidence to the contrary but it's nonsense to suggest they aren't supporting the system as much as they have supported previous systems. One could point to the weakness of Japanese sales as evidence of lesser future investment in the system vs PSP and even lower western interest in handheld but to me that just changes what types of games one will see on the system. There's no doubt in my mind we will get a pretty good library of games.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I thought the same thing. But a giant OLED screen, a second stick, bilinear filtering and prices dropping like crazy has me picking up PSP games left and right and playing the bejesus out of them.

I'm extremely happy with the Vita library thus far, but I expected to be as I like Sony's franchises and developers. But the amount of time i've spent playing PSP games and minis on this thing is whats really surprised me. I liken it to buying a new graphics card for your PC. Yes, it's the same game, but damn it looks shiny.

I'm not paying close to $300 to have games look a little bit better than they already do on a system I already own and can buy used games for for dirt cheap. Not only that, I would have to rebuy the games I like at full retail for them to play on the Vita. That sounds like a huge waste of money IMO.

That would be like telling someone the best reason to buy a launch PS3 at $599 is so they can play PS2 games on it.

 

[grimshawish]

I didn't feel it was worth reading. I could give the same evidence for the PS3. Looking at gamerankings the PS3 barely got anything until the year following it's release. The idea that it is already dead because of the level of support isn't supported by evidence. That isn't evidence to the contrary but it's nonsense to suggest they aren't supporting the system as much as they have supported previous systems. One could point to the weakness of Japanese sales as evidence of lesser future investment in the system vs PSP and even lower western interest in handheld but to me that just changes what types of games one will see on the system. There's no doubt in my mind we will get a pretty good library of games.

Not to disagree with your point about the Vita not dead 'yet'. But using the PS3 to talk about discredit the idea of a lack of support is quite funny when you consider how that thing was launched and how much money was lost trying to recover.

Vita can't have that money spent on it. Sony can't afford it, simple as that.

 

[Dacvak]

I thought the same thing. But a giant OLED screen, a second stick, bilinear filtering and prices dropping like crazy has me picking up PSP games left and right and playing the bejesus out of them.

The second analog stick works with PSP games? What games?

 

[famousmortimer]

I'm not paying close to $300 to have games look a little bit better than they already do on a system I already own and can buy used games for for dirt cheap. Not only that, I would have to rebuy the games I like at full retail for them to play on the Vita. That sounds like a huge waste of money IMO.

That would be like telling someone the best reason to buy a launch PS3 at $599 is so they can play PS2 games on it.

And that's fine if you don't want to. I was just suggesting that, beyond the vita titles that i love, that the PSP emulation on that screen is a much bigger deal than I anticipated.


The vita, like every other product on this goddamn planet, comes down to whether you think it's worth it or not. Going back to the 3D card comparison again, whenever I upgrade (every 2 years or so) I look at the $200 and the $500 cards. I always end up with the $200 cards because I can't justify more than double the price for less than double the power. But I don't begrudge, for a second, the person who builds a PC and wants to put the absolute top of the line card inside it.


And, weirdly enough, I know a guy who bought a $599 PS3 specifically for better PS2 visuals. He used to post here but got banned because he was being accused of trolling when in all actuality he is just a weird fucking dude that does weird stuff like that.

 

[famousmortimer]

The second analog stick works with PSP games? What games?

Any.

You can set the right stick to be the dpad, face buttons or mirror the left stick.



So monster hunter, for instance, you spin the camera with left and right on the dpad (making people hold it in the infamous 'claw' position). On the vita you can put that on the right stick.

 

[Dacvak]

Any.

You can set the right stick to be the dpad, face buttons or mirror the left stick.



So monster hunter, for instance, you spin the camera with left and right on the dpad (making people hold it in the infamous 'claw' position). On the vita you can put that on the right stick.

Oh. I thought it magically offered right analog control to games previously without it, like first person shooters.

That's still cool of them to offer something, but it's not as useful as I had hoped, I guess.

 

[diamount]

Wait until revisions/price drops/bigger library.

 

[famousmortimer]

Yeah, it's not magic. But it's pretty damn useful. It makes games that were somewhat unplayable (like any FPS that used the face buttons as your right stick) actually control like real games now.


But there are also a number of games that adapted their control schemes to the PSP pretty well and in those cases the right stick is rarely useful.

 

[impact]

Oh. I thought it magically offered right analog control to games previously without it, like first person shooters.

That's still cool of them to offer something, but it's not as useful as I had hoped, I guess.

It makes Monster Hunter, 3rd Birthday and Peace Walker playable games, so its quite useful.

 

[JakkuFurosu]

Oh. I thought it magically offered right analog control to games previously without it, like first person shooters.

That's still cool of them to offer something, but it's not as useful as I had hoped, I guess.

Just basic button remapping which is more then sufficient in most games.
Its missing one set of buttons (i forget which) in the remapping options. But like I said more then sufficient in most cases

 

[SRTtoZ]

I traded my 3DS towards a Vita and never looked back. I will re-buy a 3DS eventually but the Vita is a great peice of tech with a bunch of great games at the moment.

 

[hyogen]

the vita is well worth the $150 you can get it for pretty easily nowadays. either slightly used on craigslist or on sale/promo at a store. Not too hard to find a like-new vita with accessories/games/memory for $150-180.

Heck, I sold my PSP with 32gb mem card for $150 only a couple months ago...

to make the vita more "worth it"....don't pay full retail for games...! take advantage of the buy 2 get 1, or the $20-30 prices on amazon.... new/used... craigslist - games for like $20-25...

You could probably have the entire collection of games + 32gb memory card and vita for what people paid to import a vita from japan

 

[Dacvak]

The only game I've been super tempted to rebuy is DJ Max, which wouldn't benefit at all from one, let alone two sticks. I could definitely see how it's be helpful for 3rdperson games where the camera is controlled with the dpad.

 

[famousmortimer]

Just basic button remapping which is more then sufficient in most games.
Its missing one set of buttons (i forget which) in the remapping options. But like I said more then sufficient in most cases

Yeah it really needs something like


Right = right trigger
Left = left trigger
Up = Up on dpad
Down = down on dpad

And then it would pretty much be complete (since a lot of well designed games use the triggers for camera control that would allow us to throw it on the stick.


Or maybe just the ability to map whatever you freakin' want to it. But that's asking a lot these days. It seems like our ability to remap controls in general has been shrinking over the last several years.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Not to disagree with your point about the Vita not dead 'yet'. But using the PS3 to talk about discredit the idea of a lack of support is quite funny when you consider how that thing was launched and how much money was lost trying to recover.

Vita can't have that money spent on it. Sony can't afford it, simple as that.

Dont believe the hype sony is no where near broke. They just spent 2.2 billion on EMI a coulple months ago(thats enough to buy the monster hunter fanchise from capcom 3 times). they also just spent 380 million on gaikai like it wws nothing.(Do you know how many games you could found with 380 million let alone 2 billion?). They are also money hated cod and assassins creed. Vita will have plenty of games just give it time. How long did if take for 3ds tk get their act together? How long did it take for ps3 to start pumping out exclusives? Vita will be fine.

 

[AgentP]

It will get a price drop soon IMO, but price aside.

1. Great for PSP games if you never had one.
2. Great Netflix app
3. Almost perfect portable gaming design, good ergonomics and great screen.
4. One of the best launch lineup of any console ever.
5. Games look like a PS3 in your hand, so you don't have to compromise and play ugly handheld games.
6. Synergy with the PS3, buy one get both versions, transfarring, etc.

So if you can spare the cash, it is a great console. If you can't, wait a bit, I'm sure it will be $199 this X-mas.

 

[Moze]

I read an interesting article on Kotaku that gives a very dark and dim opinion on it. Its worth reading.

I was thinking of getting one for Uncharted but now im iffy.

http://kotaku.com/5923772/he-says-the-playstation-vita-is-already-dead

im actually offended by the stupidity in this article

i never understood why people act like the 3ds is better than the vita. the 3ds was released in march 2011 it didnt get its first 'real' nintendo game until november. right now i actually think the vita's 6 month old library is better than the 3ds' 17 month library

 

[filipe]

I actually just bought one 2 weeks ago, and so far I absolutely love it. Granted I got it for $100 off (coupon + special), so buying MGS and a 16GB memory card brought me back up to around the same price the system alone would have been after tax (around $280-$285).

I do have issue with the lack of games and promised features (such as PS1 support, which is coming out in a few updates). Sony promised a lot more than it delivered, but at this point I just put it out of my mind because I am getting use out of the system.

I currently have MGS, Disgaea 3, MvC, P3P and a copy of Lumines my friend has lent me for the time being. Every game there (minus this iteration of Lumines) is available on consoles, sure, but in reality, that's what I've always wanted. I have always wanted to be able to play most console games wherever I go without lugging around an Xbox/Playstation, so if Sony continues to port older games, I'm seriously fine with it.

Don't get me wrong, I want definitely want new games soon (really soon!) but so far I'm really happy with the purchase. I just really hope the PS1 support comes soon because I've held off playing the MGS collection so I could start off with MGS1 (I've played them all and know the story order, but I like playing games by release order).

Furthermore, Sony needs to get it's act together and give me more PSP games. I didn't have many PSP games to begin with (I used my PSP mainly for emulators and homebrew) so spending a few bucks here and there on a good PSP games is worth it to me, especially since a lot of them have gone on sales.

 

[metalslimer]

im actually offended by the stupidity in this article

i never understood why people act like the 3ds is better than the vita. the 3ds was released in march 2011 it didnt get its first 'real' nintendo game until november. right now i actually think the vita's 6 month old library is better than the 3ds' 17 month library

Because Nintendo's handheld titles are more popular and appealing to the general public. Not really fair, but that's going to be the perception of the thing.

 

[Moze]

Because Nintendo's handheld titles are more popular and appealing to the general public. Not really fair, but that's going to be the perception of the thing.

but for 9 months nintendo released nothing but 15 year old ports (and at full price aswell)

 

[H_Prestige]

I didn't feel it was worth reading. I could give the same evidence for the PS3. Looking at gamerankings the PS3 barely got anything until the year following it's release. The idea that it is already dead because of the level of support isn't supported by evidence. That isn't evidence to the contrary but it's nonsense to suggest they aren't supporting the system as much as they have supported previous systems. One could point to the weakness of Japanese sales as evidence of lesser future investment in the system vs PSP and even lower western interest in handheld but to me that just changes what types of games one will see on the system. There's no doubt in my mind we will get a pretty good library of games.

The ps3 had a metric shit ton of MAJOR games announced for it. That's the difference. The only thing killing it was price and a competing product from MS. Nothing at all like the Vita situation.

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.

but for 9 months nintendo released nothing but 15 year old ports (and at full price aswell)

You say 15 year old port, but we're talking about OOT here. That game is similar to FFVII as far as impact goes. The Vita has nothing close to that caliber except FFX HD. Which is multiplatform. And is also vaporware. If Sony announced FFVII Vita tomorrow, how many people would say "big deal, it's just a 15 year old game, why is this even full price?".

 

[Dacvak]

It will get a price drop soon IMO, but price aside.

1. Great for PSP games if you never had one.
2. Great Netflix app
3. Almost perfect portable gaming design, good ergonomics and great screen.
4. One of the best launch lineup of any console ever.
5. Games look like a PS3 in your hand, so you don't have to compromise and play ugly handheld games.
6. Synergy with the PS3, buy one get both versions, transfarring, etc.

So if you can spare the cash, it is a great console. If you can't, wait a bit, I'm sure it will be $199 this X-mas.

I've had a Vita since launch, so if you don't mind, I'll give you my point of view on that list.

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
2. Everything on earth uses Netflix, and I've never been compelled to use it on my Vita.
3. Screen is great, but the ergonomical feel varies from person to person. I don't like the L and R buttons.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.
6. This only works with very, very few products.


All that being said, I still really like my Vita and I'm very glad I bought it. But this dude's overselling it, a lot. I'm just offering a different perspective since there are quite a few super-pro-Vita-weenies out there.

 

[lunch]

Considering the Vita has been compared to the 3DS, PS3, and now the PSP Go, I think we can finally say that comparing the Vita to other consoles doesn't get anyone anywhere.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

The ps3 had a metric shit ton of MAJOR games announced for it. That's the difference. The only thing killing it was price and a competing product from MS. Nothing at all like the Vita situation.

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.



You say 15 year old port, but we're talking about OOT here. That game is similar to FFVII as far as impact goes. The Vita has nothing close to that caliber except FFX HD. Which is multiplatform. And is also vaporware. If Sony announced FFVII Vita tomorrow, how many people would say "big deal, it's just a 15 year old game, why is this even full price?".

Lol at this from whole post

 

[seventynine]

I've had mine since the European launch and have found it to be an excellent console. A good mix software from full fat epics to pick up and play titles ranging from native games to PSP games and Minis. I find the negativity surrounding Vita baffling to be honest.

 

[jgmo870]

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.

"Great for PSP games if you never had one."

To disagree with #4, you should probably provide launch lineups that are better than the Vita's.

Why are you using a port instead of an original game? Use UC: GA and Wipeout 2048 as the graphical showcases.

 

[btkadams]

I've had a Vita since launch, so if you don't mind, I'll give you my point of view on that list.

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
2. Everything on earth uses Netflix, and I've never been compelled to use it on my Vita.
3. Screen is great, but the ergonomical feel varies from person to person. I don't like the L and R buttons.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.
6. This only works with very, very few products.


All that being said, I still really like my Vita and I'm very glad I bought it. But this dude's overselling it, a lot. I'm just offering a different perspective since there are quite a few super-pro-Vita-weenies out there.

1. there are sales, and i think he was referring to buying for the first time. i don't even have any of my old umd psp games anymore. buying digital hasn't been a problem for me.
2. i completely agree. netflix looks great, but i haven't even used it on there. if anything, i'd like a media server app to watch my own stuff.
3. it's easily the most comfortable handheld released in years. do you disagree with that? it's still a handheld, so yes, it's not as comfortable as a 360 controller.
4. the good games that are there are unique vita entries (wipeout, uncharted, hotshots, etc.). they are not available on consoles.
5. i agree with the difference with mortal kombat, but wiepout/uncharted are certainly very comparable, and playstation all stars seems to be identical on ps3/vita.
6. yes, but that's because there are few products that are the same game on ps3/vita. i think it's pretty safe to assume any first party game moving forward will have this ability.

 

[Dacvak]

"Great for PSP games if you never had one."

To disagree with #4, you should probably provide launch lineups that are better than the Vita's.

Why are you using a port instead of an original game? Use UC: GA and Wipeout 2048 as the graphical showcases.

Ok. Uncharted and Wipeout on the Vita don't look or run as well as they do on the PS3. There.

 

[lunch]

I've had a Vita since launch, so if you don't mind, I'll give you my point of view on that list.

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
2. Everything on earth uses Netflix, and I've never been compelled to use it on my Vita.
3. Screen is great, but the ergonomical feel varies from person to person. I don't like the L and R buttons.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.
6. This only works with very, very few products.


All that being said, I still really like my Vita and I'm very glad I bought it. But this dude's overselling it, a lot. I'm just offering a different perspective since there are quite a few super-pro-Vita-weenies out there.

I agree with mostly everything in this post, although I do think that Virtua Tennis and Rayman look like their PS3 counterparts. I'm glad somebody else dislikes the L and R buttons, because I was starting to think I was the only one.

 

[Moze]

You say 15 year old port, but we're talking about OOT here. That game is similar to FFVII as far as impact goes. The Vita has nothing close to that caliber except FFX HD. Which is multiplatform. And is also vaporware. If Sony announced FFVII Vita tomorrow, how many people would say "big deal, it's just a 15 year old game, why is this even full price?".

what about the MGS collection? im sure many people consider MGS3 one of the greatest games of all time. a terrible port on the 3ds was full price while a port on the vita (including 2 games and not just 1) was budget price

 

[btkadams]

The ps3 had a metric shit ton of MAJOR games announced for it. That's the difference. The only thing killing it was price and a competing product from MS. Nothing at all like the Vita situation.

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.



You say 15 year old port, but we're talking about OOT here. That game is similar to FFVII as far as impact goes. The Vita has nothing close to that caliber except FFX HD. Which is multiplatform. And is also vaporware. If Sony announced FFVII Vita tomorrow, how many people would say "big deal, it's just a 15 year old game, why is this even full price?".

final fantasy vii has already been announced for vita (ps1). i realize ocarina of time is a bit more than a ps1 emulator (i own oot for 3ds), but it's still a port of an old game. i think you're being a bit over the top.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

im actually offended by the stupidity in this article

i never understood why people act like the 3ds is better than the vita. the 3ds was released in march 2011 it didnt get its first 'real' nintendo game until november. right now i actually think the vita's 6 month old library is better than the 3ds' 17 month library

I bought both a 3DS and Vita at launch and I really like them both so I'll try to give my somewhat unbiased (at least I like to think so) opinion on this.

The 3DS launch lineup was honestly pretty terrible, in my opinion, besides the excellent Ghost Recon Shadow Wars. However, once MK7 and SM3DL hit things really started to turn around for the system, and I think the library is fairly strong at this point. I would say overall it is slightly better than the Vita's at this point in time (which should be expected given that it's been out longer).

I thought the Vita launch lineup was pretty great though, especially compared to the 3DS and even its older brother the PS3. However, since launch Vita support has been pretty lackluster, with nothing much to show besides Gravity Rush and a few fairly solid ports. There are of course some hidden gems here and there but overall I think Vita's support hasn't been very good post-launch. I don't think this is abnormal for a system though, and it's actually exactly what I was expecting, so I don't feel disappointed at all by it.

As far as why people act like the 3DS is better it's really quite simple --- Nintendo franchises. You can pretty much rest assured that at some point the 3DS will at least see another Zelda game or two along with a new Pokemon game, and many other franchises have the possibility of showing up in the future as well. Then there is the already announced first party stuff like Fire Emblem, NSMB2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, etc. to be excited about.

The problem with Vita is that it doesn't really have the promise of great first party games in the future like the 3DS does. I think that plays a big part in the public perception of things, even if I personally feel like we will see some great first party games on the system, along with quite a few very good third party games. Even with me saying that though, I don't feel nearly as confident in that happening as I do with what I said about Nintendo getting great first party support, so I think it's just something that makes the Vita outlook seem a lot more bleak from the perspective of a lot of folks.

Bottom line for me is this: both systems have plenty of great games now and I expect that they will both have plenty in the future. I'm more confident in the 3DS long-term but I also realize that the Vita has crazy amounts of potential, so I'm excited for the future of both.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

I bought one on launch, returned it a few weeks later. The games I was excited for in the launch (Katamari and Wipeout) didn't really do it for me.

PSP games feel good on it, but not good enough to justify rebuying my entire collection (the pieces that I can). I thought the control situation would be a revelation but after I sucked it up and clawed 45 hours through Kingdom Hearts I realized I pretty much don't have a leg to stand on when criticizing the nub. I ended up finishing a transfarred peace walker game on my 3000 as well. I think I might even like the claw. >>

The hardware is impressive, but with the lineup that it has right now and upcoming I am waiting for a catastrophic price cut, or a hack that will make it into the definitive psp/emu machine. I just don't want Sons of Liberty portable that badly. The hacked wide open PSP-3000 with eight spare batteries and a double microsd converter makes too good of a companion to the 3DS to want to take that step until something changes for me.

 

[AgentP]

I've had a Vita since launch, so if you don't mind, I'll give you my point of view on that list.

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
2. Everything on earth uses Netflix, and I've never been compelled to use it on my Vita.
3. Screen is great, but the ergonomical feel varies from person to person. I don't like the L and R buttons.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.
6. This only works with very, very few products.


All that being said, I still really like my Vita and I'm very glad I bought it. But this dude's overselling it, a lot. I'm just offering a different perspective since there are quite a few super-pro-Vita-weenies out there.

You mostly disagree with points I never made.
1. Of course they are digital (duh). The price is what it is. Comparing it to UMDs is dumb, compare the price to the quality and length of the game. There has been (and currently is) PSP digital game sales. Tons of $10-$20 quality games.
2. Having Netflix on a portable and beautiful 5" device is great, who cars if you use it? It is much better than a giant tablet while laying in bed.
3. Ergonomics are great for a portable, there is only so much you can do to get that many buttons in a small form factor.
4. The average metacritic scores and number of retail and DD games is better than just about anything else. Who cares if they are all exclusives, launch line-up are never made up of exclusives, everything is relative.
5. You are nitpicking, overall the games look and feel like PS3 games in your hand. MK still looks great in motion, is 60fps and has more content than any other version.
6. I made no such claim it was universal.

So you went out of your way to cast everything in a negative light, often with staw men rebuttals. Wow, how unlike Gaf to crap on the Vita.

 

[jgmo870]

Ok. Uncharted and Wipeout on the Vita don't look or run as well as they do on the PS3. There.

Wipeout 2048 looks much better than HD. And if launch games on past consoles are anything to go by then I can definitely see the Vita as a portable PS3.

 

[Maedhros]

It's like people love to hate Vita.

 

[lunch]

Wipeout 2048 looks much better than HD. And if launch games on past consoles are anything to go by then I can definitely see the Vita as a portable PS3.

I think Wipeout 2048 looks better too, but I've only played HD on an SD television.

So you went out of your way to cast everything in a negative light, often with staw men rebuttals. Wow, how unlike Gaf to crap on the Vita.

You chose the wrong post to use as an example of "GAF crapping on the Vita."

 

[Dacvak]

You mostly disagree with points I never made.
1. Of course they are digital (duh). The price is what it is. Comparing it to UMDs is dumb, compare the price to the quality and length of the game. There has been (and currently is) PSP digital game sales. Tons of $10-$20 quality games.
2. Having Netflix on a portable and beautiful 5" device is great, who cars if you use it? It is much better than a giant tablet while laying in bed.
3. Ergonomics are great for a portable, there is only so much you can do to get that many buttons in a small form factor.
4. The average metacritic scores and number of retail and DD games is better than just about anything else. Who cares if they are all exclusives, most launch line-up are not made up of exclusives, everything is relative.
5. You are nitpicking, overall the games look and feel like PS3 games in your hand. MK still looks great in motion, is 6-fps and has more content than any other version.
6. I made no such claim it was universal.

So you went out of your way to cast everything in a negative light, often with staw men rebuttals. Wow, how unlike Gaf to crap on the Vita.

You're missing the point and are overly defensive. Out of all of the responses I've gotten from the post I made, this is by far the most fanboyish. I make it a point not to try and find my way into arguments with people who I believe are blinded by their loyalty, which I think you may be. With that, I'll leave it alone.

The Vita is a great system, but I try to be realistic and accurate when I influence other people.

Wipeout 2048 looks much better than HD. And if launch games on past consoles are anything to go by then I can definitely see the Vita as a portable PS3.

True, but it runs worse. In a game like that, smoothness is everything, IMO. That being said, who's going to make the honest argument that it's "like having a PS3 in your hands"? It's not. I mean, we could prove that on a technical basis.

Does it look wonderful, though? Absolutely. I wasn't saying the system looked bad by any stretch. I was just countering a false claim.

 

[Moze]

I bought both a 3DS and Vita at launch and I really like them both so I'll try to give my somewhat unbiased (at least I like to think so) opinion on this.

The 3DS launch lineup was honestly pretty terrible, in my opinion, besides the excellent Ghost Recon Shadow Wars. However, once MK7 and SM3DL hit things really started to turn around for the system, and I think the library is fairly strong at this point. I would say overall it is slightly better than the Vita's at this point in time (which should be expected given that it's been out longer).

I thought the Vita launch lineup was pretty great though, especially compared to the 3DS and even its older brother the PS3. However, since launch Vita support has been pretty lackluster, with nothing much to show besides Gravity Rush and a few fairly solid ports. There are of course some hidden gems here and there but overall I think Vita's support hasn't been very good post-launch. I don't think this is abnormal for a system though, and it's actually exactly what I was expecting, so I don't feel disappointed at all by it.

As far as why people act like the 3DS is better it's really quite simple --- Nintendo franchises. You can pretty much rest assured that at some point the 3DS will at least see another Zelda game or two along with a new Pokemon game, and many other franchises have the possibility of showing up in the future as well. Then there is the already announced first party stuff like Fire Emblem, NSMB2, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, etc. to be excited about.

The problem with Vita is that it doesn't really have the promise of great first party games in the future like the 3DS does. I think that plays a big part in the public perception of things, even if I personally feel like we will see some great first party games on the system, along with quite a few very good third party games. Even with me saying that though, I don't feel nearly as confident in that happening as I do with what I said about Nintendo getting great first party support, so I think it's just something that makes the Vita outlook seem a lot more bleak from the perspective of a lot of folks.

Bottom line for me is this: both systems have plenty of great games now and I expect that they will both have plenty in the future. I'm more confident in the 3DS long-term but I also realize that the Vita has crazy amounts of potential, so I'm excited for the future of both.

i also bought both on release day (although i sold the 3ds a month after release day and picked one up later when the price dropped)

i can understand the 3ds has the nintendo support (luigi's mansion 2 is probably my most anticipated game this year) but i dont think that warrants the amount of hate the vita is getting. as far as hardware goes the 3ds is a joke when compared to the vita and i know alot of people say ''games are more important than hardware'' and i agree but the fact is the vita is capable of giving better gaming experiences than the 3ds. and im sure most developers would rather develop for the vita than the 3ds. the excuse for nintendo is always the games, people are happy buying shit hardware aslong as they get nintendo games. but why dont people just stop buying the shit hardware nintendo puts out? if they stop buying that, eventually nintendo will have no choice but to go 3rd party (of course you could argue nintendo are far too proud to go 3rd party)

 

[JakkuFurosu]

i also bought both on release day (although i sold the 3ds a month after release day and picked one up later when the price dropped)

i can understand the 3ds has the nintendo support (luigi's mansion 2 is probably my most anticipated game this year) but i dont think that warrants the amount of hate the vita is getting. as far as hardware goes the 3ds is a joke when compared to the vita and i know alot of people say ''games are more important than hardware'' and i agree but the fact is the vita is capable of giving better gaming experiences than the 3ds. and im sure most developers would rather develop for the vita than the 3ds. the excuse for nintendo is always the games, people are happy buying shit hardware aslong as they get nintendo games. but why dont people just stop buying the shit hardware nintendo puts out? if they stop buying that, eventually nintendo will have no choice but to go 3rd party (of course you could argue nintendo are far too proud to go 3rd party)

lol wow.
this post going to go over great with all these facts you threw in....especially the 3rd party.

welcome to gaf

 

[famousmortimer]

I've had a Vita since launch, so if you don't mind, I'll give you my point of view on that list.

1. PSP games must be repurchased digitally and are very often significantly overpriced.
2. Everything on earth uses Netflix, and I've never been compelled to use it on my Vita.
3. Screen is great, but the ergonomical feel varies from person to person. I don't like the L and R buttons.
4. I highly disagree. There aren't many exclusives, and the good games that are there are usually available on console.
5. It's definitely not like a PS3 in your hand. Compare Mortal Kombat Vita to its PS3 brother. It's more on par with an iPad 2.
6. This only works with very, very few products.


All that being said, I still really like my Vita and I'm very glad I bought it. But this dude's overselling it, a lot. I'm just offering a different perspective since there are quite a few super-pro-Vita-weenies out there.

Or maybe they aren't weenies, they just have a different perspective. Like:

1. If you never owned the PSP game in the first place you aren't repurchasing it. Also there are sales on PSP games every week. Every Atlus RPG is below $10 currently, for instance. Capcom just had a sale last week.

2. As far as picture quality and size there is no screen that is in the same ballpark for netflix as the vita OLED.

3. You did admit that it varies here. So no need to argue

4. There are a ton of exclusives. People seem to think that things are ports that aren't really ports. Wipeout, Uncharted, Modnation, Dynasty Warriors Next, Unit 13, Hot Shots, Army Corps of Hell, Mutant Blobs Attack, Lumines, Super Stardust Delta, Sumioni. Gravity Rush and Escape Plan are all Good to Great games that aren't ports (some are series that exist on other systems, but they are new entries).

And the ports that are there... are amazing. Mortal Kombat is crazy good and has a full vita specific challenge tower, Marvel vs Capcom and Blaz Blue are also great... making the Vita one of the best handhelds for fighters in just 4 months. Disgaea 3 is fantastic. Rayman Origins is perfect on the device. FIFA and Virtua Tennis, and MLB The Show are all incredible and paint a very bright future for sports games on the device.


I just don't understand complaints about the vita library. I mean if you want to take a dump on the gameloft ports that ubi brought over, or Reality Fighters or the AR games, fine. But the rest of the lineup is goddamn amazing.

5. It's not a PS3 in your hands, but it's certainly more powerful than an iPad 2 (or 3, for that matter, which I own). You are fighting hyperbole with hyperbole.


6. "Very, very, very few products" = Buy Hustle Kings and get both. Cross play with Pure Chess. Cross game saves with MLB The Show, MGS HD. Retro City Rampage (if microsoft ever stops cockblocking it) will be buy one get both. Motorstorm RC shares online data. Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom has buy once get both for DLC, Modnation allows you to play user created tracks from the PS3 version, and Stardrone Extreme has cloud saves to swap back and forth.

It's not a giant list, but for four months it's far more than "very, very, very few products."

 

[grimshawish]

but for 9 months nintendo released nothing but 15 year old ports (and at full price aswell)

There was probably more things said about Nintendo when the 3DS struggling. With Sony its been a shrug.

Some people have different opinions. Not sure why your so baffled at people preferring the 3DS, but to put it in perspective - its already had a number of killer games, for many anyway (not all ofc, but many) - the Vita? I don't think its there.

There is only so many times people can say their playing Uncharted/Gravity Rush before they have to accept that kind of gaming is 'niche'.


Strangely this draws us to a problem that something like Playstation All Stars (might) help fix. Vita needs some replay value - pronto. Not one of their games has shown any sales legs and it just needs to find some ground. Somewhere. But I don't think that is the game; but I think the Vita (well handhelds generally) are great for these sorts of quick play games.


In terms of getting a Vita? If Sony have any sense they'll redesign (drastically - make it look different from the PSP, and take off expensive items like the rear touch) and sell it cheaper with a big marketing push.

So I'd wait; if you really want one - otherwise check some other handhelds out.

 

[LamerDeluxe]

Apart from looking sharper and smoother on the Vita, another neat advantage of playing PSP games on it is that they use the Vita touchscreen keyboard, instead of the cumbersome PSP one.

 

[KAL2006]

I have had the Vita for around 2 weeks.

My random opinions
- Incredible OLED screen, the sheer size and quality of it make it so good, I love that it is 5"
- Watching YouTube on this screen is great as well as watching your own videos. Of course if you own a iPad that would be better, but I don't and it is much better than watching on a iPhone or 3DS. I have Avatar series on my video library, always watch a few eps before bed
- User interface is actually quite good, and the wallpapers look great, love all the connectivity features like friends, trophies, chat and etc.
- Love being able to play music while gaming, I know 360 does this but it is such a nice feature, always play my own music while having a couple of round of UMvC3 online
- Playing ports on Vita more than my PS3 version, I bought UMvC3 on the PS3 a long time ago and hardly touched it, but for some reason on Vita I play it all the time. The main reason is because I can play it instantly (Vita is always on standby)
- Unit 13 is a nice shooter you can play in short bursts but not a system seller
- Played Gravity Daze demo, and it's presentation and sound is incredible, will pick it up in the future
- WipeOut 2048 looks amazing
- I know old PSP games are not a good reason to buy a Vita, but damn those game look incredible on the Vita screen, got a small backlog of PSP games now
- I agree that Vita doesn't have any system sellers right now, but it is strange that it is my most played system due to a port of UMvC3 and average shooter Unit 13, for some reasonI just prefer playing games on the Vita, cause its a handheld and the screen isn't too small or low quality.

At the moment I have UMvC3, BlazBlue, Mutant Blobs, Unit 13, Everybody's Golf and Stardust and a few PSP games. I will also get MGS HD Collection, Uncharted and Gravity Daze down the line. At the moment I am happy with my purchase as I got the Vita for a cheap deal, and I already have a small backlog of games thanks to the EU PSN sale. And I already have games I need to purchase in the future (such as Gravity Daze and Uncharted).

 

[Steve McQueen]

Wipeout 2048 looks much better than HD. And if launch games on past consoles are anything to go by then I can definitely see the Vita as a portable PS3.

Not sure if serious. WipeOut 2048 looks amazing, but on an HDTV, HD on PS3 looks much, much better and has the magic 60 fps. That's not quite hard to notice. WipeOut HD on Vita does not look as good as 2048 though.

 

[The Nature Roy]

wat!!!!

you got a link?? havent seen anything yet but havent looked.

Could care less about the game but same was said about madden.
I would die laughing if this true

There are no real details -- just news that Activision Leeds is developing all handheld versions of Call of Duty -- Vita, 3DS, and iOS. The porting and in which direction is speculation.

 

[Shai-Tan]

Not to disagree with your point about the Vita not dead 'yet'. But using the PS3 to talk about discredit the idea of a lack of support is quite funny when you consider how that thing was launched and how much money was lost trying to recover.

Vita can't have that money spent on it. Sony can't afford it, simple as that.

The difference is they have a shorter distance to go to not price themselves out of the market. They won't be taking such a deep loss as they did on the PS3 to make the system affordable. The current pricing is only for early adopters and they knew that.

Further, new models will allow them to better realize the potential of the system which is hindered by compromises to save battery life. And 4g has much lower latency than 3g so there might actually be a positive value proposition there for subsidized devices. Mobile providers are starting to have more bundle plans with tablets and other secondary devices and there might be a niche there if they can make the online features appealing (games).

 

[staticneuron]

The Vita is a great system, but I try to be realistic and accurate when I influence other people.

Well I agree for the most part except for the games. I have no sold my consoles due to moving around a bit but back when I had my PS3 I did do a comparison. Games like SSD and HSG, look similar but are not the same experiences. Imo, the slight changes to the Vita version make SSD feel better on the handheld than it does on the console.

Personally, even if you have both a PS3 and a Vita, you are always going to choose based on whether or not it is the best version and if you feel like playing the game on the go. Considering it is a portable system, the fact that a port may exist on the console shouldn't be a factor. Aside from TV usage issues in a crowded home, I don't understand why anyone would by a portable, simply to play at home.

This also begs the questions of the Wipeout games. If you have both the PS3 and the Vita, it would make more sense to get the hd/fury combo on the PS3 and the 2048 on the Vita. Why would anyone get 2048 for the PS3 when it is locked at 30FPS? It makes that title an inferior version on the PS3 but an acceptable entry in the vita library.

Simply put, the argument "but I can get it on the PS3" only makes sense if the titles are identical ,or it actually performs better on the PS3 and if you are using your vita as a unit you play at home (which I hope people clarify their usage before making comparisons like that).