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EliteArtist
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Maybe when
Gwen dies inevitably
It was pretty clear IMO, at first, Parker decides to use his new found powers to seek revenge, during his conversation with Captain Stacy during dinner the captain says spiderman is a vigilante that only looks for criminals with a certain look therefore he's just looking for revenge. Finally in the bridge Parker sees that his powers can be put to better use when he saves the kid and he sees the reaction from the father being so happy after he saved the kid, he even tells Gwen about it so he decides to drop his quest for revenge and instead help the people of New York.
It made no sense in the original trilogy and it always bothered me, why would uncle Ben talk about power? What power? And at the time he gives that little speach, that made no sense at all.
Also, is it me or did it seem like aunt May knew Peter was spiderman? There's a point in the movie when she's watching the news and she has this look on her face, seemed to me lime she knew.
Like i said many pages back, i loved the movie and it has a lot to do with the cast, Stone/Garfield habe awesome chemistry and they're adorable together lol.
Also i don't think directing was as much of a problem as the editing Sony probably did at some point. There's one particular scene where it's pretty evident some butchering was done. When peter comes home after being hit by the bus and aunt May is waiting for him, there's a moment when they are both quiet and the tea pot sound is heard, both stare at each other and in the next part aunt May is in a different place, she's now in front of the stove doing something with the tea pot and Peter hugs her, seems to me like something was missing there and they just used the teapot sound to stitch that scene together randomly.
It's funny that this movie did same thing Batman Begins did by doing the opposite of what was expected. Batman Begins bucked the comics and previous movies by wrapping up the Joe Chill plotline immediately (and smartly). ASM bucks the comics and the previous movies by leaving his quest for revenge unfulfilled.
ETA: I think Aunt May knew in the second movie. You just reminded me of the scene where Peter tells her that he could have stopped the robber guy. Now I am sad.
If you mean ASM then I agree.
EliteArtist
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Great minds dude. I thought that at a young age as I walked out of the theater. I asked my family "What was up with Aunt May figuring out he was Spider-man?"
Just got out of it, it was alright. I think I liked Raimi 1 & 2 better.
That being said I enjoyed Garfield as Spidey much more than Tobey MacGuire.
Did anyone else think the plot moved at an incredibly brisk pace?
Also every time Captain Stacey came on screen, I kept thinking he was Dafoe's Goblin :lol
I really hope this series doesn't reuse any villains from the Raimi movies. That just seems so lazy. Go with Mysterio, Kraven, Vulture or Shocker for the next one.
That being said I enjoyed Garfield as Spidey much more than Tobey MacGuire.
Did anyone else think the plot moved at an incredibly brisk pace?
Also every time Captain Stacey came on screen, I kept thinking he was Dafoe's Goblin :lol
I really hope this series doesn't reuse any villains from the Raimi movies. That just seems so lazy. Go with Mysterio, Kraven, Vulture or Shocker for the next one.
SpaceBridge
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Watched it today. Alot better than what I was expecting. I found that it was much more loyal to the comic books than the Raimi movies. Why the movie worked on so many levels, IMO, is that the cast is so much more likable. And Gwen Stacy was so much better than the damsel in distress MJ. New York felt like a real city. Was it hoky? At times, yes, but there were some flashes of brilliance as well. And the cinematography was well done too. B+ in my books. Really wished that one day this would tie into the larger Marvel movie universe.
The only thing that actually matters about the killer of Uncle Ben was that it was a guy Peter could've stopped. It just so happens that in the comics and Spider-Man 1, Peter wasn't at the scene of the crime so they had to have him catch the killer to see his face and learn his mistake. In ASM, the entire thing unfolds all at once, so they didn't need to repeat the fact that Peter has to catch the guy to learn he was the one who did it. He knows it was the guy he let go since he killed Ben seconds later, thus learning the lesson.
The one thing I actually hated in Batman Begins was that Joe Chill was caught almost immediately and then ends up getting killed. I liked the fact that in the Batman mythos the killer gets away and thus is always the driving force for Bruce to fight crime. I think it works better for Spider-Man as well.
That's not the only thing that matters. Peter also inadvertently kills him in SM1.
And the "Batman mythos" is a total mess of reboots. Joe Chill was captured or killed in most of them.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's been suggested to be pretty much everyone at this point (go through the list of Spider villains). No official confirmation.
I think it's safest to say it's Norman Osborn.
DanteFox
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oh yeah. I remember there was a video floating around on youtube showing a behind the scenes thingy showing off the green goblins makeup. I was surprised he wasn't in this movie.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I kind of doubt that was official (or maybe it was pre-production concepts for 2002 Spider-man?).. I think for those who have followed the film's development closely, Goblin was never suggested to be in this film?
I think it was Richard Parker, as a figment of Connors' mind, haunting him for the wrongdoing Connors did in order to fasttrack the formula, leading to Parker's death.
But it'll probably be Mysterio, who somehow knows what Connors did to Richard Parker and using it as leverage.
DanteFox
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I guess not. The Lizard looked very cool. Kinda reminded me of Neogaf user MisterHero's avatar tho lol.
There's a quote with Rhys Ifans saying that it's someone who worked for Oscorp so that would be how he knew.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You are not the only one to compare him to the Goombas in the Mario movie (Hero's avatar).
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think it's right too.
There seems to be a contigent of people who prefer ASM to SM1, but in my opinion... naw... SM1 was magic back in the day, while ASM is good but flawed.
Ughhhh again with this bullshit. "THE LINE" was practically made famous by SM1 alone, not the comics. Ben never even says as much. Get over it people.
I think SM1 handled the guilt trip better, because it was directly Peter's fault (which is true to the source material) but i'm glad they didn't go that route again. It would'v been too glaring, and they handle his emotional issues becoming SM better even without that direct guilt. Not to mention the Uncle Ben scenes (speech, death) were never great in SM1 to begin with, but the killer reveal definitely was.
Yeah, a lot of people like it about the same as Raimi's SM1 if not better (even than SM2 lol). I need to watch it again, but I think it's equal to SM1, below SM2, and bounds better than SM3.
BTW no matter what they did with this movie, there's no way it could've replicated that magic SM1 pulled off at the time. We're talking pre-MCU days, it was awesome seeing a Marvel super hero on-screen.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm pretty sure I heard that line in the cartoons (probably the 1994 one). Could be my mind playing tricks on me... but I remember being familiar with it when I saw the movie.
I think it was this vid :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEZBhL5lpqg
It was a green goblin animatronic/makeup test done before Spider-man 2002... and then they chose the ugly power-rangers suit
DanteFox
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yeah that's the one. For some reason there was a thread relatively recently about this vid. I incorrectly assumed it had something to do with the new spiderman coming out.
The line was always there in some form or another, but not to do with Ben directly. It was something Peter 'realizes' and lives by. IIRC the first time this line actually comes out of Ben's mouth in the comics (through a flashback I think) was the same year SM1 came out and used it.
The motif was always there in some form (not even verbatim oftentimes) but saying it's laughable how they didn't use that exact line in this movie is beyond silly imo.
This could've truly been fucking terrifying in a movie. But even with the audience's suspension of belief, I don't know how they could pull it off in explanation. Is it a mask, did he transform into having huge ears, etc. If they could get pas that, it would definitely be awesome.
However, I get the feeling they'll just go the full CG route this time and have be a monstrosity Ult. SM style.
I watched SM1, SM2 and ASM in rapid succession. Compared to SM1, ASM is the better movie in terms of character-development, story-arc and the post-bite transformation + Peter's reaction to it.
Also, Emma Stone beats Kirsten Dunst on acting, looks and conviction. The love-story seems to skip a few scenes, much like Flash's development misses a scene or two, so it seems like Sony cut some scenes to accomodate a certain runtime. One can only hope for a Director's Cut where those storylines are more fleshed out. I also hope to see a scene or two where Peter tests the webbing, before jumping of a goddamn skyscraper (seriously, if that's his test-case, he's fucking mental).
Villain-wise; SM1 and ASM are on par; Willem Dafoe and Irfan Rhys both did what they could with the character, but both are equally poorly written and look like shit. One looks like something from the Power Rangers, the other like a Goomba.
But overall, I liked Garfield's Parker better than Maguire's. I feel like Raimi wrote Maguire's Parker too much as a nerd, really the nerd-stereotype in full effect. ASM's Parker is more like an actual person. Come to think of it... almost everyone in SM1 was a 1-dimensional stereotype.
Garfield was the better Spider-man for sure.
But I still prefer SM1 to ASM
SM2 > SM1 > ASM > shit on fire > SM3 > Green Lantern
I actually really hated how the killer sequence was done in ASM. It showed Pete was okay with being REALLY fucking petty and stealing from a douchebag convenience store clerk. Not to mention after Ben died all he did was try to hunt the guy down and get revenge. There wasn't really any remorse or even a god damn funeral. Too fucking rushed.
Also the crane sequence in the ending was awful. Like, uh, why can't he suddenly shoot onto the buildings like he has been doing the whole movie?
Lizard was a weak villain as well.
But I still prefer SM1 to ASM
SM2 > SM1 > ASM > shit on fire > SM3 > Green Lantern
I actually really hated how the killer sequence was done in ASM. It showed Pete was okay with being REALLY fucking petty and stealing from a douchebag convenience store clerk. Not to mention after Ben died all he did was try to hunt the guy down and get revenge. There wasn't really any remorse or even a god damn funeral. Too fucking rushed.
Also the crane sequence in the ending was awful. Like, uh, why can't he suddenly shoot onto the buildings like he has been doing the whole movie?
Lizard was a weak villain as well.
The crane-sequence was weird too in that regard, but it was a better display of "New Yorkers are with Spider-Man all the way" than that train-sequence.... no way anyone ever will stand up to a mad scientist with 4 metal arms growing out of his back.
Yeah, that scene in SM2 was pretty cheese-worthy but honestly that came out in a different era. We wouldn't even have all these other comic book movies like we do if it wasn't for Raimi's success with SM so I can give him some leeway with being the pioneer. With so many awesome comic movies since then and especially since the abomination of SM3 they are held to a higher standard with ASM and that scene is extremely out of place in a 2012 comic movie.
That's just my opinion though.
Raimi was hardly a pioneer. Blade, Spawn, Darkman, the Batman-films and X-Men opened the way for Spider-Man and comic-bookmovies in general.
I could at least understand your point of view but you listed Spawn in the middle there.
I'm not saying Raimi's SM movies were the first comic movies, obviously they weren't. But you can't really argue that the original Spider-man was the comic movie that blended spectacle with the source material so well that it brought people to see it in theaters.
Sure, Spider-Man was a huge success, but it's hard to call Raimi a pioneer, when the road you walk on is paved. The Batman-films, for better or worse, proved that people wanted super-hero-movies. Movies like Blade, Spawn and Darkman showed studios that comic-book-movies do not have to be aimed at just kids. All X-men and Spider-Man did was follow along on that path and take shit to the next level, it's not like Raimi/Sony pictures took a giant leap of faith by putting that movie out there.
But even if you disregard THAT, you cannot argue that a movie should be forgiven for certain design- and story-flaws, just because it existed in an era where it's the only one of it's kind.
SilentProtagonist
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What kind of face was he supposed to be making when he was stopping a train with his arms/legs?Stop the hyperbole. It's not as cringe-worthy as this shit:
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I think Superman and Batman both had a hand in kicking off superhero movies. WB and DC are both really responsible for taking the initial risks and putting our beloved characters on the big screen.
Everything. Tobey's constipared face, his grunting, the way the commuters went "You mess with him, you mess with us". Lawl, like they can do shit to Doc Ock. So cheesy and Godawful.
Maybe a body injury pained expression as opposed to Tobey's constipated look? It's probably hard to distinguish the two if you regularly have a hard bowel movement but they actually are two different things.
One of the best scenes in a major blockbuster in the past decade. Come at me bros.
Escape Goat
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Your movie tastes are erratic. Im not sure who you are anymore.
I'm whatever you need me to be, Ham.
90% of people seeing these movies are only seeing the movies. "With great power comes great responsibility" has become iconic in pop culture, whether it ever appeared a a comic or not. The movies are bigger than the comics. Deal with it.
90% of people seeing these movies are only seeing the movies. "With great power comes great responsibility" has become iconic in pop culture, whether it ever appeared a a comic or not. The movies are bigger than the comics. Deal with it.
Discotheque
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That scene was fantastic BECAUSE of how ridiculous the premise was. The fact that Doc Ock brushes them aside so casually made that scene hilarious. Anyways I don't even really care about the crane scene that much. It feels like tradition to have these annoying New Yorkers try to help out Spidey in every film now.
And I just sat through Raimi's SM1 again. I like Michael Sheen, but once again like I said they weren't given a good script. I think there's more emotional impact with the Uncle Ben story in Raimi's film.
And Green Goblin is RIGHT OUT OF THE 60s cartoon. God-damn it's hilarious how similar it is. I understand a lot of people who hate the film really wanted him to be gritty and serious but it's so tongue-in-cheek and it owes a lot to the classic cartoon and I love it. For example, that scene when Green Goblin busts into JJJ's office and harasses him, or when he sings "itsy bitsy Spider".
Tobey Maguire is cut like a muthafucka. God-damn he was lean. And also his Parker was a man! I don't want to drop the c-bomb since it can get you banned but compared to Raimi's Parker, this new one was being a c....dickhead.
Tobey: holds true to Norman Osborn's LAST WISH to not tell Harry and walks away from MJ because she might get hurt
Andrew Garfield: breaks the promise to Gwen's father right away and clearly isn't thinking of the consequences. Albeit, it was a good last line from him and I still smiled though.
I'm out of this thread though. My constant harping on about Raimi's films being superior is probably getting annoying.
To be fair, they scared away Doc Oc bigtime. New York doesn't need Spider-Man, it's got New Yorkers; twice as effective!
Problem wasn't the face or even his quadruple chin, it was that it went on forever. He kept holding that face even after the train stopped, to the point where his face was red. When he passed out, it was like 'oh thank god'.
It was still a great scene imo, but his acting was too stiff there. There's a lot more you can do than just grind your teeth and squish your chin into your neck.
I know, that's my point. So many people are basing this Peter/SM off of the old movies. "Hey that's not how Peter should act!" as if they know wtf they're talking about. Basically saying they want carbon copy of the previous rendition.
I'm just letting people know, who didn't read the comic, that the Raimi version isn't exactly the epitome of how he should act or what should happen. Another problem with people going in expecting x y z from the previous movies. Wish more people knew about SM though from more than just the old movies, though. Ult. SM is a great easy intro for anyone I think.
Escape Goat
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The train face isn't what bothered me. It was the face he made the rest of the movie. Dopey, teary eyed doofus.
That scene truly ruined his Spider-Man for me. Prior to that, I can sort of ignore the niggling feeling on the back of my mind that Tobey is just not that appropriate as Parker or Spider-Man but that scene completely destroyed the credibility of his character. From that point on, I no longer see Spidey as the hero that he should be but this stupid-looking goof that made constipated look, then crying faces and later on, oh God, dancing away his jiggly double chin with Gwen. *shudder*
I just like my Superheroes to have more credibility and dignity than that.
Discotheque
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Aww shit I'm back just to comment on this quickly. I agree. The sound fx accompanying the hits and also just the look of the fight shows some heavy impact not really seen in any of the other Spiderman flicks (including the recent one)
Ultimate Spiderman seems kinda eh right now. I'm gonna just move on and start reading Amazing Spiderman with Stan Lee/Ditko. Seems way more up my alley.
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