You can't take one or two (hell, lets say a dozen) stupid arc and moments like that and shit on 50+ years of comic book history. There are a lot more awesome, heartbreaking, funny, fucked up, and surprise moments over that timespan than there are crappy nonsensical arcs, imo.
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SonicMegaDrive
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I watched the first episode yesterday for the first time in 18 years. I'm convinced the writers of ASM used it as an inspiration. There's a lot of parallels between it and the film.
Yeah same here. Little time capsules. Comics get wrapped up in continuity for the craziest shit.
AgentChris
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Got some good Spider-Man comic runs/arcs to check out? I'm going to buy some.
TheKaeptain
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Oh man just wait until you hear about what they did to Peter and MJ. Fuck you Marvel. Fuck you.
Kraven's Last Hunt is one of my favorites, but it's more Kraven than Spider-man.
I'm more talking about the cringe-worthy dialogue and writing. I can see how as a kid you might not mind or even pick up on how terrible it is, but it's hard to read that as an adult.
Like in that page, Aunt May's crazy forced 15 minute monologue and Peter's expression in the last panel as she dramatically says "-- Spider-man."
I would personally recommend Ultimate Spider-Man. Low barrier to entry as it is its own self contained continuity.
I feel a but distanced from it now, but I'm sure it would have been my favorite thing ever if I had read it as it was released starting 10 years ago.
There's some cheesy shit, sure, but there's some great stuff as well. You're painting in some broad strokes here for a medium that's been around for long time.
AgentChris
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Dude, i'm pretty sure that comic is from the damn 80s-90s, so judging specific bullshit like that in ONE page of ONE issue by ONE writer and coming to that conclusion... sorry, but you come across as ignorant.
Niiice. It's pretty cheap, too:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0785134506/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Unless you plan on using a library ... that's even cheaper.
Grassclipper
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Oh man just wait until you hear about what they did to Peter and MJ. Fuck you Marvel. Fuck you.
Well at least Dan Slott is undoing that shit step by step.
That fucking shit originally made me almost flip my desk. Thank god, they are in the process of fixing it, albet slowly.
LOL!
Yeah, that's the safest bet for a new-comer.
I would recommend #1-#111, since after that Bagley left and there were different artists every other issue or so.. it wasn't great, and #111 wrapped it up well enough imo.
I'm not a fan of Spectacular SM tbh but i'd recommend Sin-Eat (107-110) from that series.
BattleMonkey
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Shitting on 50+ years of comic book history? That's what One More Day did. Went beyond just shitting up an arc, it shat upon the entire history of Spidey
TheKaeptain
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I seriously stopped reading Spiderman and Marvel comics on that day. Shit I almost stopped reading during Civil War.
Where should I start back up?
May I ask what happened? Now I'm super curious.
The Anti-Monitor
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A big guy at Marvel didn't like Spider-Man to be married. So he had Spider-Man cheat Aunt May's death (that was his fault) by making a deal with the devil. Said deal was unmaking his marriage to Mary Jane. And bringing back Harry Osborn from the death, too, because Mephisto is cool like that.
TheKaeptain
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Foxy Fox 39
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You must not remember the movie that well. He beefed up pretty nice for his transition into Spidey. Remember when he's in the mirror checking out his new muscles?
I literally said that a page or two back, but again that doesn't retroactively make them all shit or justify someone and ignorant comment like Korey's.
Oh you're talking about SM1 exclusively. Yeah, he was fit, but you make it seem like he looked Thor-fit or something. All that went to shit in SM2 and 3 anyway, unfortunately.
Foxy Fox 39
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Well I'm not totally sure if that guy was referring to SM1 exclusively but I think he said he re-watched the 1st movie so I assumed he was.
Grassclipper
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I stopped reading as well, I think I jumped back on around #600. And read a couple of issues retroactively. But I guess when Dan Slott became the only writer for ASM with Big Time is as good a starting point as any. (Around #640 or something like that.) It still has it missteps (mainly Carlie Cooper) and Humberto Ramos art has bogged it down in my opinion. But otherwise it's been a great run, a particular issue concerning a funeral is one of the best stand alone issues of Spider-Man ever.
Not to mention by doing this they changed like twenty plus years of history in one go with that.
Sorry for shitting up the movie discussion by the way.
BattleMonkey
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It was made worse by it being more than just that, but it had much more deeper impact changing tons of aspects of Spiderman's history. They took it as an opportunity to do whatever they wanted. They kept bringing up new shit that suddenly didn't happen. At first they were like oh everything in the past happened, Mephisto just fucked with peoples heads, yet they completely dropped that when suddenly dead came back to life and other changes.
I was actually wondering what this One More Day stuff was. I texted my friend yesterday saying that I want to get back into comics (ASM, specifically) and wanted to know if Brand New Day was a good place to start since the first issue of that was free on Comixology. He answers with "Yes. Do not read One More Day".
I lol'd. That would've been fucking horrible. Super shallow as well. Why would I give a single fuck about any of the characters? That's what made TIH so bad, too, and that character's origins are simple.
Why would care about the new Parker being played by a new actor if you don't know his history? You can't somehow apply all the Raimi SM stories to a different movie or even actor and expect it to be good. Also, that may be fine for one movie if it's just a shallow action thing, but then you better expect another reboot because that shit isn't sustainable if you have nothing to build off of but the viewers memories.
[edit] This is how ASM2 should open btw;
Anyone?
I'm specifically curious about the
"ganali device"
AgentChris
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I think it was a device Dr. Connors developed to cure cancer, I think; I'm not sure to be honest.
Regarding the post credits scene...
Jack Scofield
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First, build a time machine so you can travel back to the age of 8. Then I'm sure the terrible dialogue, horrible story arcs, and pages and pages of people flexing will be appreciated by your younger self.
Just watched the first episode, very similar to ASM. Second episode with Scorpion was pretty terrible though. Seems like a pretty good show though.
I forgot that I had Spider-Man: Blue by Jeph Leob and Tim Sale which is really a fantastic comic and I bet will serve as a bit of inspiration for the sequel.
Escape Goat
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I wish Spidey had more interaction with Dr Strange. They play off each other nicely. And you have the whole science vs mysticism thing to play on.
Hot Coldman
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That must have been him in the end credits.
Escape Goat
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Wrong thread bro
Also, you're still watching that?
Watching what?
Hot Coldman
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I thought you were referring to Ultimate Spider-Man. Never mind.
Good Job Bob
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I tried to give Ultimate Spider-Man (the cartoon) a chance, but the constant cut aways just annoyed the fuck out of me.
Hmm. Ok.
I don't even know what to make of this. I guess the real question is if there is a plan behind this or if they are just being intentionally vague in order to get fanboys' engines running.
Spiderman has a lot of villains and this man in the shadows seems to deliberately not represent any of them.
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Oh man just wait until you hear about what they did to Peter and MJ. Fuck you Marvel. Fuck you.
What about Gwen and Norman Osborn?
So terribad. Comics storylines rival the worst of soap opera's.
BattleMonkey
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That was bad, as well as most things going on at the time like the Other. But still OMD takes the cake as it left the comfort zone of just screwing up specific arcs, and pissed on everything. And One Moment in Time... lol it just made it worse and almost comical with the "explanation"
What about Gwen and Norman Osborn?
WHAT IS TOMMY LEE JONES DOING TO GWEN!!!
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