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It gets worse.
That isn't' Gwen Spider-Man is kissing, its her daughter Sarah.
Details please.
SpeedingUptoStop
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May actually be the best scene of the series, a perfect combo of tone, direction, intensity, meaning and raw emotion.
Interesting read.
Man that would've been a lot better.
Man that would've been a lot better.
I don't think it was better than SM2, personally. But I do think it was comparable to SM1, some may like it a lot more, and some may like it less, but all in all pretty equal imo. It just ultimately depends on how much you liked SM1 vs ASM and specifically what bits you got out of both the most. The characters and actual Spidey were infinitely better, for example, but the action and pacing wasn't. So it really just comes down to what stands out to you the most.
SpeedingUptoStop
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I think my final outcome on it is about 6.5, maybe a hair above SM1 because of its more modern tone and some legit great moments. 1 has way less holes in comparison (WAY LESS) but it also feels like a safer film for it. The consistently thick layer of cheese on it hasn't aged well either, though the rare scene like the one mentioned above still hold out. However, i liked the action scenes more here, I liked Spidey more as he was done here...there is just way too much going on this film mucking it up. Cut out some plots and focus in, get a head strong director who knows what kind of film he wanted to make and you coulda had something truly great. Maybe the sequel will have better luck. We'll know in about 24 months.
I think I probably agree with this.
But i'm convinced that the deleted scenes are what made for the pacing issues, and without those subplots removed it would've felt a lot better overall. I'll elaborate in my full impressions later, but some of it was obvious.
mickcenary
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Hands down the worst movie I have seen in recent memory.
In this scene, there's an overgrown fucking lizard man playing professor and mixing chemicals in a beaker.
In this scene, said lizard man puts his tattered human shirt back on after demolishing a school. You are a fucking lizard.
In this scene, Peter Parker undermines the dying wish of his girlfriend's father, whose death he was basically responsible for; his girlfriend smiles.
I could go on and on.
Why is Spiderman such an unlikeable douche? Why are his motives so contrived? Why was the emotion so forced? Why was everything in the entire movie so forced and contrived?
He's a shithead. All he did the whole movie was attempt to clean up his own mess on the backbone of one of the lamest "birth of a superhero" plot devices ever (Uncle Ben's death) whilst hurting the people he loved.
What a shit movie.
In this scene, there's an overgrown fucking lizard man playing professor and mixing chemicals in a beaker.
In this scene, said lizard man puts his tattered human shirt back on after demolishing a school. You are a fucking lizard.
In this scene, Peter Parker undermines the dying wish of his girlfriend's father, whose death he was basically responsible for; his girlfriend smiles.
I could go on and on.
Why is Spiderman such an unlikeable douche? Why are his motives so contrived? Why was the emotion so forced? Why was everything in the entire movie so forced and contrived?
He's a shithead. All he did the whole movie was attempt to clean up his own mess on the backbone of one of the lamest "birth of a superhero" plot devices ever (Uncle Ben's death) whilst hurting the people he loved.
What a shit movie.
rollingstart
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Watching the original again and just comparing the origin-ness of both. Peter becoming Spider-Man is handled much better in ASM, but Peter understanding his powers is handled better in SM1. Thinking about it, ASM almost expects the audience to be familiar with Spider-Man. Spider-Man 1 uses the lady talking about the spiders as exposition for Spider-Man's future skill set. ASM doesn't bother explaining how he sticks to walls or a bunch of other stuff. But ASM shows Peter gradually realizing how his powers could be used for good. It's not just an epiphany like in SM1.
And it's funny that Flash attempts to sucker rabbit punch Peter so hard it dents the locker.
And it's funny that Flash attempts to sucker rabbit punch Peter so hard it dents the locker.
Salvor.Hardin
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They bring up a good point about how Spider-Man shouldn't have had access to his webshooters during the school fight. Would have been a perfect time to showcase Peter having to think his way out of a fight without any webbing.
And MJ was surprised when he bitch slapped Flash. Did she not see that shit? :lol
GuitarAtomik
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I mostly disagree with you but I did lol at your post.
Good Job Bob
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I agree with you.
Especially your comments on how everything is so contrived and forced. All the convoluted motions they go through to try and portray "With great power comes great responsibility." could've---and should've---been better and simpler portrayed by simply fucking saying it like literally every other Spider-Man adaptation. Your shitty movie isn't above that line, Marc Webb.
AgentChris
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I can't wait to see this again.
Whose great power? What an awful 4th wall comment coming from Ben. He never has a clue that Peter is Spider-Man. So the comment sounds pretentious spoken to Peter because what power does Peter have from Ben's POV? That's right, nothing. Ben only says that for the audience, which makes it all so contrived, fake, and unnatural as far as dialogues are concerned. A typical Hollywood targeting audiences who are easily manipulated by simple cheesy lines so they can quote it over and over again.
The thing that made me chuckle the most was Lizard attacking Parker in the chemistry room at school where he casually mixes a couple of chemicals sitting right there on the bench to make a frigin bomb to throw at him! What kind of school is this?
It actually would have made more sense in TAS when Ben finds out his child has flying abilities.
BattleMonkey
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Unlike the countless other cheesy moments and dialogue in the movie already
Not that I'm defending the chemicals sitting on the table, but my high school had plenty of dangerous chemicals in the chemistry lab. They were just typically locked down and well controlled.
Good Job Bob
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Most of the dialogue in this film feels contrived, fake, and unnatural anyways so it'd fit right in---and it'd save them all that convoluted hand-wringing to boot!
The /Filmcast guys pointed this out, the high school he goes to is a "Science High School"!
Salvor.Hardin
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So when do we get Solo's review? Surprised he hasn't chimed in.
Don't remind me please. I'm glad the other awful lines from those films never make it into cinematic famous quotes.
Considering what you'd consider as real dialogues, this makes it all the more laughable.
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What are you talking about? He was talking about this shitty film, not the Raimi ones.
..and you are aware that the Raimi films didn't create the "With great power comes great responsibility." line, right? Because it seems you aren't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Ben#.22With_great_power_comes_great_responsibility.22
Was wondering the same thing.
I usually agree with him so he better like ASM
Good Job Bob
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When did I say I considered it realistic dialogue? Are you okay, Replicant?
BattleMonkey
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Was talking about his new POS Spiderman. Not really an improvement in the dialogue department, and has nothing to do with taking an iconic line out. It's a movie where I guy turns into a giant Lizard and countless cheesy elements and your getting worked up over a line you thought was cheesy in a comic book movie?
Yea I don't get where everyone is like "oh Spidermans all wisecracker like the comics in this!". He does it for one scene and is incredibly awkward teen every other minute.
SpeedingUptoStop
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That was another hilariously random moment that should have been on the cutting floor with the swat team shit.
DUMB RAGING LIZARD MAKE BOMB OUT OF NOTHING, SPIDEY GO BOOM
I liked it, but hardly loved it. In a great many ways, it reminded me of a less fun Star Trek 2009. How in the hell does The Amazing Spider-Man compare to that movie? In the way that both feature great casts with even better chemistry that make otherwise horrendous (occasionally non-existent) excuses for plot and character development work and actually elevates what on paper is pretty much garbage into something watchable and entertaining. The entire plot is so generically been-there, done-that for Spider-Man. Yes, it is the exact same thing we saw 10 years ago, with slight cosmetic changes.
I did really love Garfield and Stone (no surprise there as I've loved her in everything I've ever seen her in) and felt their chemistry really made the relationship scenes work, and also really enjoyed Sheen, Field and Leary in their respective roles. Although I really must say that I hated large portions of Peter's characterization. He was a straight up douchebag at many points during the movie, perhaps none moreso than in the final scenes where he completely disregards a dead man's wish. Some of the swinging scenes brought a really nice, fresh perspective on Spidey's unique abilities, but overall the action was pretty pedestrian and forgettable.
It's too bad this movie is completely soulless and devoid of the heart and emotional punch that Raimi's movies were absolutely drenched in. As much as I enjoyed watching the movie, every. single. attempted. emotional. beat. fell. completely. flat. I wasn't given any reason to care about any of these characters beyond anything superficial and as such the emotional moment rang completely hollow. Raimi absolutely nailed this most important aspect to a degree that perhaps only now is becoming clear. In the end this is an enjoyable, but heartless movie. The Amazing Spider-Man: charming as a romance movie, but just okay as a Spider-Man movie.
S-M2 > S-M1 > TAS-M > SM3
I did really love Garfield and Stone (no surprise there as I've loved her in everything I've ever seen her in) and felt their chemistry really made the relationship scenes work, and also really enjoyed Sheen, Field and Leary in their respective roles. Although I really must say that I hated large portions of Peter's characterization. He was a straight up douchebag at many points during the movie, perhaps none moreso than in the final scenes where he completely disregards a dead man's wish. Some of the swinging scenes brought a really nice, fresh perspective on Spidey's unique abilities, but overall the action was pretty pedestrian and forgettable.
It's too bad this movie is completely soulless and devoid of the heart and emotional punch that Raimi's movies were absolutely drenched in. As much as I enjoyed watching the movie, every. single. attempted. emotional. beat. fell. completely. flat. I wasn't given any reason to care about any of these characters beyond anything superficial and as such the emotional moment rang completely hollow. Raimi absolutely nailed this most important aspect to a degree that perhaps only now is becoming clear. In the end this is an enjoyable, but heartless movie. The Amazing Spider-Man: charming as a romance movie, but just okay as a Spider-Man movie.
S-M2 > S-M1 > TAS-M > SM3
Salvor.Hardin
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It did feel odd that he wasn't making jokes about Connors and the lizard while he was fighting him. It just seemed like the perfect opportunity for Spidey quips.
MrPink93485
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And the crane scene?
Good Job Bob
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Good review, I can agree.
SilentProtagonist
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I was confused by that scene. He sticks her on the hip with his web and then it disappears immediately afterward? Or his webs sticky or not?
Doesn't he talk some shit during the midtown high fight too or am i remembering it incorrectly?
Man that would've been a lot better.
are you serious
and ive seen the concepts of other spidey outfits and they all look AWFUL
the movie's issues are hardly about design
The whole thing felt to me like no one at Sony or in creative (Webb lol) had the balls to really do something new and daring and instead decided to make the safest movie possible, which essentially was a S-M1 remake with a heavy dose of Sony's go-to girl, Emma Stone.
Believe it or not, it was kind of a highlight for me :lol
Believe it or not, it was kind of a highlight for me :lol
Scarecrow
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I thought he was cracking wise a ton during the Lizard fight at the school.
TheKaeptain
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And believe it or not, I'm 100% ok with what they did. I just get the feeling that they were testing the waters to see what would happen. I think ASM2 will be balls to the wall now.
Good Job Bob
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Yeah he definitely cracked some corny and flat lines in the beginning when he stopped Flash from beating that other kid's ass. Also during the Lizard fight at School
mickcenary
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I'm okay with the actual premise of the scene. Villain concocts a volatile mixture in a chemistry lab; it's standard for such a movie and it's "creative", albeit very generically.
My issue lies with how it was shot and what we, as the viewer, were subjected to for a good 5 seconds. It looked like a fucking infomercial/chemistry seminar. It made no directorial sense. It was putrid and flat-out dumb looking. It broke all - if any - flow.
The one thing that tops it is the berating of the car-jack crook. On what fucking planet is this scene "funny", "edgy" or "cool"? NO FUCKING PLANET IS THE ANSWER; not even on a Science Lizard planet.
I mean, do people actually enjoy Spiderman's "humourous" quips? I just don't see it. He has the biggest dick on his forehead.
ASM2 could be amazing, but they need to hire a visionary director to helm it, like......................................
Sam. Raimi.
SilentProtagonist
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He said "Don't make me hurt you" while he was being beaten, he called him something stupid like 'lizard boy', and then he said 'that's disgusting' when the lizards tail easily came off for some reason.
And then all of the 'humor' is sucked out of the scene when he slams his fist next to the frightened guys head (accompanied by a funny horror style jump in the score) and threateningly tells the guys "This could've gone a lot worse for you."
ViewtifulJC
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I don't know if Webb just lacks that unique creative vision Raimi had or the studio tried to hammer it down really hard, but the whole feeling of the movie is that it's crafted by this soulless committee of robots and patched together ideas and story beats, only elevated in parts because of the fun chemistry between Garfield and Stone, and some of the actors who do their best with the material they got(Sheen and Leery the big stand-outs).
A very safe, slick but largely mediocre Spider-Man film. They can really only go up from here.
The hiring of Orci and Kurtzman for the sequel leads me to think that it's going in an even safer creative direction.
MrPink93485
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Must have been the C. Thomas Howell effect at play.
Good Job Bob
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Would be fucking amazing, he probably doesn't want anything to do with Sony anymore and vice-versa, though.
I think Edgar Wright would be a great choice for a Spider-Man film, but that's never happening.
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