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Replicant said:
Peter was the one who came up with
the missing equation that solves the problem on how using Lizard limb to help amputated subject. One would think Peter already figured out the reverse solution in case things didn't go as plan (and it didn't).
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Uh, didn't he just copy the
equation his dad wrote down
? I mean yea, he's a high school science nerd who skateboards and expert seamstress, but he's not that smart.
 
neojubei said:
So what was the secret of Peter's parents? Damn those trailers!!!
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Korey said:
Uh, didn't he just copy the
equation his dad wrote down
? I mean yea, he's a high school science nerd who skateboards, but he's not that smart.
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Do you seriously think that
an equation which has no meaning whatsoever will translate into anything important unless Peter knows a good amount about science and science experiment? Also, you do realize that he didn't just steal the webbing. He experimented with it to strength the webbing's stickiness and lasting effect
. At the very least, he's a talented science nerd who knows what he's doing. I mean seriously, this is a world where
Gwen is an intern at Oscorp
. Why is it so hard to believe that Peter is a genius?
 
you know what was another scene that was kinda odd?
remember when parker (in early spider man costume) got in that guys face cause he was harassing a woman in the alley and parker thought he was the guy who killed his uncle? and then a bunch of dudes came up to fight him and parker ran away... and those men actually chased him all the way onto the rooftops? those dudes seriously couldn't get over parker checking that dude's wrist, huh?

also, i think i asked it earlier and didnt get a clear answer but why were there so many
lizards in new york and why were they attracted
to The Lizard? was i just supposed to think that
lizards are native to NYC? even if, why were they acting like Connors was controlling them?
never explained, right?

and, yeah, having connors
struggle to hold onto spider man at the end was definitely strange since spider man couldve just put his hand against the wall and problem solved.

i also understand that spider man was
shot and hurt during the crane scene, but being shot didnt stop him from swinging on (or running to jump onto) the cranes, so why did it stop him from swinging on buildings?

i just really wish that
"turning everyone into lizards with a gas" thing was just not in this movie. Connors was basically a werewolf (sane human / out of control monster), so make that the main conflict and how Connors and Parker deal with the entire situation as both humans and their alter-egos.

i understand that a lot of scenes in this movie were cut, but they shouldve also cut the scenes that those scenes were connected to because they made no sense as standalone scenes: football post, lizard with lab coat every few seconds,
turning cops into lizards, etc.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Spider-Man doesn't even get bit for like half a hour, the film is much slower and drawn out without much to say. I know the little kids beside me were getting real restless.
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Alright, so I'm taking him to Ted instead then. I mean, it's a Teddy bear. What kid doesn't like teddy bears? And he's featured throughout the movie.
 
neojubei said:
Yup. The Amazing Spider-man had so many issues but people seem to want to overlook them to like the film.
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I think you have that backwards. People tend to overlook the problems because they like the film. Or like it in spite of its problems.

That's how I'd describe my reaction, at least. I wouldn't say it's a great movie for as much as I liked it (a lot). Like, I can acknowledge that Spider-Man 1 is a better movie, but I personally enjoyed ASM more. To be honest, it's kinda nice being on the 'like' side of a divisive film. I feel like a Speed Racer fan!


back on topic: yeah, the webshooters are disappointing.
Ultimately the reason to have mechanical webshooters if as a plot device and this movie never used them in that way. If anything the presence of mechanical webshooters, Peter stealing from oscorp, etc. ended up complicating things. Only at the end when Lizard crushes them and later catches Peter as he's falling do they have a purpose.

Maybe the sequel can....oh wait :(

edit: the most exciting part of the sequel is knowing the Amazinger Spider-Man video game will be on next gen hardware.
 
I'm really glad I don't have a bunch of inane hangups like most of you guys here. I went in for a superhero movie and I got a superhero movie. I don't need every single thing on the screen to be drenched in logic.

Four days after viewing the movie, and not having listened to it anywhere else, I still find myself humming the theme now and then. Anyone else also find it to be kind of memorable?
 
For Raimi's Spider-Man 1, I remember reading about some shitty writer being brought in to add action sequences. Hopefully that's the job of those Star Trek writers for ASM2.
 
Anbokr said:
Anyone else miss Elfman's theme :(? To me, that score is synonymous with Spiderman.
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I definitely miss it. I would have been fine with it appearing in other contexts (like how Elfman's Batman 1990 theme appeared in the Animated Series).
 
Kammie said:
I'm really glad I don't have a bunch of inane hangups like most of you guys here. I went in for a superhero movie and I got a superhero movie. I don't need every single thing on the screen to be drenched in logic.
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STOP THINKING ABOUT STUFF GUIZE.
 
Kammie said:
I'm really glad I don't have a bunch of inane hangups like most of you guys here. I went in for a superhero movie and I got a superhero movie. I don't need every single thing on the screen to be drenched in logic.

Four days after viewing the movie, and not having listened to it anywhere else, I still find myself humming the theme now and then. Anyone else also find it to be kind of memorable?
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what theme? Anyways, I think i got spoiled by so many other good superhero films that this one sort of fell flat. it could have been better much better.

It would have been better if the whole Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde aspect of the Lizard was explored. Another thing is Spider-man is the underdog so having the city love him didn't make sense. what would have been better if Spider-man saved Gwen from the Lzard in the sewers but no one knew about it and the city and Gwen's dad still thought of Spidey as some masked vigilante.
 
I'm finding it harder to look back at the flaws in this movie as "nitpicks" given the apparent fact that this movie was frantically butchered in the editing room very close to release. How can one really say "oh it's just a piece of art you have to be in the right mindset to appreciate" when it was literally intended to be one thing, then had its guts ripped out on the way to the theater? It is, quite literally, a "mess" in that sense.

I want to see the original version of this movie. While that may have been chopped up for a reason (to please test audiences who didn't like the new "predestined by his parents to be Spidey" origin), I can't help but think that it MUST be better as a piece of storytelling, warts and all, than this half-hearted hackjob of a theatrical cut. There are so many broken plot arcs in the final version.

The only problem is... so much was cut that it probably affects the "universe" of the movie reality and the plot threads that sequels will pick up on. It seems like it's unlikely to be released in its original form, and even if it were, it simply can't be part of continuity any more. It's a damn shame.
 
Regarding Peter falling off the building
at the end and Connors saving him, it's like a 2 pronged thing. One, to show Connors redemption and to prove he's not "evil" anymore or under the influence of the Lizard serum, and two, Peter was falling pretty fucking fast, it's not like he can just stick to the walls and stop on a dime. He would've broken his arm or leg. And wasn't he also falling away from the building? With no web shooters, he would've been dead.
 
Tookay said:
STOP THINKING ABOUT STUFF GUIZE.
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Who really cares why there's lizards in New York, or how Peter knew how to create an antidote? The Lizard attracts lizards, and Peter knew the formula from the time he spent helping Connors out. So on and so forth. Why does everything need to be spelled out, particularly when there's no science behind any of this stuff? And more specifically, when this is a superhero movie, of all things. There's more important things that demand my thoughts. I'm just able to enjoy a popcorn movie without treating it like something it isn't.
 
I just re-watched Spider Man 2 tonight, and really, the only thing ASM has over that movie is better actors.

For some people that's all they need, and that's perfectly fine.
 
Peter totally stole crates full of webbing somehow, completely unexplained.

We see him experimenting with it while it is still in the same containers that Oscorp manufactures it in.
 
Replicant said:
Do you seriously think that
an equation which has no meaning whatsoever will translate into anything important unless Peter knows a good amount about science and science experiment? Also, you do realize that he didn't just steal the webbing. He experimented with it to strength the webbing's stickiness and lasting effect
. At the very least, he's a talented science nerd who knows what he's doing. I mean seriously, this is a world where
Gwen is an intern at Oscorp
. Why is it so hard to believe that Peter is a genius?
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Peter didn't create the antidote. From what I remember he tells Gwen like "go to oscorp and get antidote #45eb2x" am I wrong?
 
Linkzg said:
edit: the most exciting part of the sequel is knowing the Amazinger Spider-Man video game will be on next gen hardware.
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They will still fuck it up by making webs attach to the sky, because they are fucking stupid and can't remember how great that shit was on a damn PS2.
 
Kammie said:
Who really cares why there's lizards in New York, or how Peter knew how to create an antidote? The Lizard attracts lizards, and Peter knew the formula from the time he spent helping Connors out. So on and so forth. Why does everything need to be spelled out, particularly when there's no science behind any of this stuff? And more specifically, when this is a superhero movie, of all things. There's more important things that demand my thoughts. I'm just able to enjoy a popcorn movie without treating it like something it isn't.
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In that case, Daredevil, Elektra and Catwoman were good movies too. I just feel The Amazing Spider-man had too many flaws despite a steller cast, Garfield was great, Sheen was awesome, and so was everyone else however the plot needed to make more sense and some stuff like the crane sequence should have been cut from the film.


Hasphat'sAnts said:
I just re-watched Spider Man 2 tonight, and really, the only thing ASM has over that movie is better actors.

For some people that's all they need, and that's perfectly fine.
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Alfred Molina awesome and much better than Rhys Ifans and don't forget J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson , the rest of the cast well ASM actors were better.
 
Kammie said:
Who really cares why there's lizards in New York, or how Peter knew how to create an antidote? The Lizard attracts lizards, and Peter knew the formula from the time he spent helping Connors out. So on and so forth. Why does everything need to be spelled out, particularly when there's no science behind any of this stuff? And more specifically, when this is a superhero movie, of all things. There's more important things that demand my thoughts. I'm just able to enjoy a popcorn movie without treating it like something it isn't.
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why does the lizard attract (such bad CGI) lizards? Does he somehow manipulate them to walk in single file lines towards him?

I'll concede that he and Conner probably made an antidote beforehand and he told Gwen to retrieve it.
 
Korey said:
Peter didn't create the antidote. From what I remember he tells Gwen like "go to oscorp and get antidote #45eb2x" am I wrong?
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Yes but the antidote is
likely have existed in some form when Peter created the solution and only needs to be formulated for it to be produced. When you're doing chemical research, you do it via trial and error and in order to trace back your mistake(s), you need to document and keep some form of solution that undo one step or two steps of your progress. I just assume Peter does the same thing with his solution.
 
Replicant said:
Yes but the antidote is
likely have existed in some form when Peter created the solution and only needs to be formulated for it to be produced. When you're doing chemical research, you do it via trial and error and in order to trace back your mistake(s), you need to document and keep some form of solution that undo one step or two steps of your progress. I just assume Peter does the same thing with his solution.
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its like there is some hidden manual or cliff notes that seem to fill in the blanks to this film.
What does it say about the cop lizard men and what happened to the oscorp guy?


Korey said:
why does the lizard attract (such bad CGI) lizards? Does he somehow manipulate them to walk in single file lines towards him?

I'll concede that he and Conner probably made an antidote beforehand and he told Gwen to retrieve it.
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I won't.
So the formula qas unstable but the antidote is right on the money. I get it its a superhero film, Peter could have made the antidote with ingredients from Aunt May's meatloaf and we all would still believe it.
 
neojubei said:
its like there is some hidden manual or cliff notes that seem to fill in the blanks to this film.
What does it say about the cop lizard men and what happened to the oscorp guy?
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No, you just need to pay attention to the film.
Lizard men turned back into cops at the end of the film. Oscorp guy got thrown out of car and into the river. So he either die or survive, depending on how you want his fate to go. I'd say he's dead since not many can survive that kind of throw from that height without a proper diving posture.
The fact that you don't even remember what happened to them is quite telling.
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Joel McHale was in Spidey 2 as well. SHIT, I'M TORN.
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Forgot about that and so was Bruce Campbell.


Replicant said:
No, you just need to pay attention to the film.
Lizard men turned back into cops at the end of the film. Oscorp guy got thrown out of car and into the river. So he either die or survive, depending on how you want his fate to go. I'd say he's dead since not many can survive that kind of throw from that height without a proper diving posture.
The fact that you don't even remember what happened to them is quite telling.
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Wasn't the cops transforming during the crane sequence and during the battle on top of oscorp. Must have been a long transformation. I do remember the cops being changed back but i would have liked to seem them cause some havoc in the city.
This film has some issues but I'm not going to gloss over them to make me like the film more. As much as i wanted to like Iron Man 2 it too had glaring problems with it. Most of the cast in ASM shine but the plot and elements of the film are pretty weak.
 
Replicant said:
No, you just need to pay attention to the film.
Lizard men turned back into cops at the end of the film. Oscorp guy got thrown out of car and into the river. So he either die or survive, depending on how you want his fate to go. I'd say he's dead since not many can survive that kind of throw from that height without a proper diving posture.
The fact that you don't even remember what happened to them is quite telling.
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Naw dude.
RE: The Oscorp Guy - He was actually intended to be in a few scenes after the bridge sequence, cut out of the film before release. He really did "just disappear" in the final cut.
 
BocoDragon said:
Naw dude.
RE: The Oscorp Guy - He was actually intended to be in a few scenes after the bridge sequence, cut out of the film before release. He really did "just disappear" in the final cut.
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I don't think that 'cut scene' matters anymore given the context of how they cut the final film. All we know is that
the guy got thrown out of the car and into the river from such height. Then he's never seen again after the scene.
I don't know about you but to me that implies the director wants us to think that
the guy is dead
. He's no longer relevant in terms of the plot whatever their original intention for the guy was.
 
BocoDragon said:
Naw dude.
RE: The Oscorp Guy - He was actually intended to be in a few scenes after the bridge sequence, cut out of the film before release. He really did "just disappear" in the final cut.
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I know I didn't miss that part. Spider-man would not have let that guy drown.


I can understand a bit of what Replicant is trying to do. Its about the same way I felt about Prometheus. I wanted to like it so in my head i filled in some of the plotholes of the film.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
I was confused by that scene. He sticks her on the hip with his web and then it disappears immediately afterward? Or his webs sticky or not?
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Well, the connection I made was that earlier when he grabbed the kid out of the burning car, he was able to reel in the web to pull him up.

So when he "sticks" her with his web, I assumed he reeled it back into his webshooters which caused her to spin.
 
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