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Romney Applies Patented ‘Rubber/Glue’ Strategy To Bain Outsourcing

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-rubber-glue-bain-outsourcing.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

I've really noticed this practice in general from the GOP. They don't even try to apply it to things that make sense at all just repeat the things they have been called before.

EDIT: Well I guess the major thing is intolerant people calling others intolerant of them and their beliefs.
 
Rush Limbaugh in rare form today.

"If they win, it's over for the economy and for liberty"

"No one loves Mitt, I don't hear people saying "we love Mitt." What we love is our country."

"..the unprecented backdoor amnesty."



Also, it's not Romney's avoidance of the offshore tax issue that makes it worse, it was the Obama team's renewed emphasis on it starting with the Vanity Fair article. The story works because it's easy to believe that a wealthy private equity guy who laid off lots of people also has a bunch of offshore accounts. Just like the "car-elevator" story, it's just too damn good.
 
Rush Limbaugh in rare form today.

"If they win, it's over for the economy and for liberty"

"No one loves Mitt, I don't hear people saying "we love Mitt" what we love is our country."

If the mouthpiece of the conservatives can't even admit to liking Mitt Romney, I don't care how much you dislike Obama, Romney is not going to win. If people dislike their candidate so much that people aren't willing to go out and physically campaign for them everywhere, then they're done.
 
Rush Limbaugh in rare form today.

"If they win, it's over for the economy and for liberty"

"No one loves Mitt, I don't hear people saying "we love Mitt" what we love is our country."
The best thing that could happen for guys like Rush and Glenn Beck is Obama's reelection.

No boogeyman is scarier than one that sits in the oval office.
 
Hovde is up 31-29 over Thompson in WI primary.

General election matchups - Thompson and Baldwin tied 45-45, Hovde leads by a single point 45-44. Baldwin is winning with independents but there are more Republicans than Democrats in the sample.
 
Come the fuck on Romney...
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That is amazing. These results will launch him past Thompson easily.
Yeah that's never a good trendline for the establishment Repub. Hell Christine O'Donnell never lead in a single poll and she still beat Mike Castle in DE-SEN 2010.

Hovde looks about the same as Thompson on paper but I think he'll have a tougher slog getting 50+1.
 
"I'm thoroughly convinced that 75% of the Rush/FOX audience is liberals looking to get upset."

Ha, I wouldn't miss it for the world my friend pure gold, Glenn Beck live during supreme court ruling was the greatest on-air meltdown of all-time.

Rush told me, his listener, I had to give him "six months" before beginning to understand his show, well I gave him four years, still waiting...but it's the journey not the destination.
 
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Yeah that's never a good trendline for the establishment Repub. Hell Christine O'Donnell never lead in a single poll and she still beat Mike Castle in DE-SEN 2010.

Hovde looks about the same as Thompson on paper but I think he'll have a tougher slog getting 50+1.

Hovde is a more charismatic and rich Ron Johnson. I'm guessing this poll will lead Fitzgerald to drop out and throw his support behind Hovde. Neumann destroyed his credibility with his disgusting campaign against Walker and he is pretty much done. But, he's a douche so he won't bow out.
 
Romney today: "No, Barack OOOOOOBAMA is the outsourcer-in-chief! NA NA NA NA!"

laughing my mother fucking ass off, un-abbreviated for impact.
 
Hovde is a more charismatic and rich Ron Johnson. I'm guessing this poll will lead Fitzgerald to drop out and throw his support behind Hovde. Neumann destroyed his credibility with his disgusting campaign against Walker and he is pretty much done. But, he's a douche so he won't bow out.
I heard Fitzgerald isn't really campaigning and is only in the race to split the conservative vote and let Thompson win. Don't know if that's just a dailykos conspiracy theory or what.
 
Well, he's only at 9% anyway. He can't have too much influence.

He has tons of influence, just not with voters. He threw his hat into the ring to get some free name recognition and get a bigger platform at the state convention. He has aspirations, this was really just about building for the future.
 
Not true. Many are 'agnostic' or weak when it comes to presidential elections. Just because they live in a district/state that encourages them to vote a certain way, doesn't mean they apply that to their choice in a President.

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As the overall numbers of independents grow, the uncertainty they represent grows with it.
Ah crap, isn't this the same kind of thing that happened leading up to the midterms in 2010? More Independents, more uncertainty, more noise in general that really ended up benefitting the GOP.
 
You have no idea. And of course it would be followed up with every excuse for why Democrats should do all they can to obstruct Romney, even though they vilified Republicans for allegedly doing the same thing.

Allegedly! You're funny. But, since you don't mind the Republicans doing it right now, isn't it perfectly okay for the Democrats to do it later?

Why do you keep calling them this?

Do you actually refer to them as Obama's tax cuts? Hilarious, if so.
 
Going to have to agree with Jackson50 here PD. You seem to have forgotten what happen in the summer of 2009 as well. It happen in a lot of town halls in August. I'm sure those constituents would have loved to hear from their Congressman about how they we're going to spend more of their tax dollars on manufacturing giants such as Solyndra or other give a ways to Obama backers. Would have loved the back dropped of him actually "shoving more stimulus down our throats" with also a corruption angle the right wing could work. Not to mention the attacks that already exist of the stimulus supporting overseas jobs or helping minorities that "didn't deserve it".

Also, you're solution for solving employment seems to focus largely on manufacturing and tax breaks. You don't even state what is actually hurting us right now which is the layoffs at the state and local government level. If we had not gotten rid of those hundreds of thousands of positions, then the employment rate would be at or below 7%. Since we did get rid of them, Obama should consider running on fact that he is the only President in the last 30 years to actually shrink the size of government.
Right. To castigate Obama for failing to act decisively ignores the political and practical constraints. Perhaps they could have displayed more strategic foresight on other consequential matters; e.g., Federal Reserve appointments or eliminating the statutory debt limit. And the composition of the ARRA was amiss. Still, it's a bit much to aimlessly propose various policies as a realistic alternative.
Of course they do, Afghanistan is a literal goldmine of natural resources for the coming century of technology needs.
Afghanistan may have potential, although it's been exaggerated. But the presence of mineral wealth is probably not the impetus. For a few reasons, the mineral wealth is inconsequential for at least the mid-term. Rather, the impetus stems from the erroneous notion that Afghanistan is of strategic import for national security; I suspect the potential mineral wealth is a negligible facet. The policy is necessitated by a desire to maintain a strong operational link while reducing our physical presence.
You can talk about more paths and such all you want, but there's an important aspect that's missed if you just say "statistics lol": the state-by-state results are not independent variables. If things go Romney's way in Ohio, it's also far more likely they'll go his way in Florida et al.

I'll note that I do agree with you on the outcome--I think Mint goes home crying. Just be careful with odds in cases like this. :)

Oh, and PD isn't uninformed, just bizarrely invested in a Romney victory.
That's a point I've iterated, and it's valid response to those who disregard national polls. States are idiosyncratic to an extent, but they are also subject to national trends. And although the magnitude of the trend may vary by state, they aren't independent. Further, the data does not warrant certitude in Obama's victory. It suggests he's a moderate favorite.
Independents are one of the more annoying chimeras in American politics. The influence and number of genuine independents are terribly inflated.
 
Ah crap, isn't this the same kind of thing that happened leading up to the midterms in 2010? More Independents, more uncertainty, more noise in general that really ended up benefitting the GOP.

Yup, I remember the "Dems could keep the House!" quotes days before - only to be followed up with the largest swing from one party to another in a century.

Undecideds always break against the incumbent. If Obama is not above 50% in enough States right before the election to get the electoral votes, he will lose. Even if he's up 47-42% in States with the remaining undecided, those are generally losses if the incumbent is not above 50%.
 
Yup, I remember the "Dems could keep the House!" quotes days before - only to be followed up with the largest swing from one party to another in a century.

Undecideds always break against the incumbent. If Obama is not above 50% in enough States right before the election to get the electoral votes, he will lose. Even if he's up 47-42% in States with the remaining undecided, those are generally losses if the incumbent is not above 50%.
Well he's up 50-42 in Virginia, so tough noogies there I guess.
 
Yup, I remember the "Dems could keep the House!" quotes days before - only to be followed up with the largest swing from one party to another in a century.

Undecideds always break against the incumbent. If Obama is not above 50% in enough States right before the election to get the electoral votes, he will lose. Even if he's up 47-42% in States with the remaining undecided, those are generally losses if the incumbent is not above 50%.

Got a source on that?
 
Got a source on that?

http://www.pollingreport.com/incumbent.htm

But our analysis of 155 polls reveals that, in races that include an incumbent, the traditional answers are wrong. Over 80% of the time, most or all of the undecideds voted for the challenger.

The 155 polls we collected and analyzed were the final polls conducted in each particular race; most were completed within two weeks of election day. They cover both general and primary elections, and Democratic and Republican incumbents. They are predominantly from statewide races, with a few U.S. House, mayoral and countywide contests thrown in. Most are from the 1986 and 1988 elections, although a few stretch back to the 1970s.

The polls we studied included our own surveys, polls provided to us directly by CBS, Gallup, Gordon S. Black Corp., Market Opinion Research, Tarrance Associates, and Mason-Dixon Opinion Research, as well as polls that appeared in The Polling Report.

In 127 cases out of 155, most or all of the undecideds went for the challenger:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/04/18/undecided_lean_to_insurgent_113883.html

But given the historical fact that the final results are almost always worse for the president and almost never better, we really need to focus on the Obama vote share rather than his lead or lack of one against Romney. If Obama is, indeed, getting 44 percent of the vote, he is likely facing, at least, an 11-point loss. If he is getting 47 percent of the vote, he is looking, at least, at a 6-point defeat. (Given the fact that six of the eight incumbent presidents not only lost the undecided, but finished lower than the pre-election survey predicted, it would be more likely that Obama’s margin of defeat would be greater than even these numbers suggest.)

There are other indications of a Republican landslide in the offing. Party identification has moved a net of eight points toward the GOP since the last election. In Senate races, there are currently eight Democratic-held seats where Republicans are now leading either the Democratic incumbent or the Democratic candidate for the open seat.

The predictions of a close election are all based on polling of registered voters — not likely voters — and fail to account for the shift in votes against the incumbent that has been the norm of the past presidential contests.

EDIT: Above is Dick Morris, for what it's worth. But the data are the data.

One More:

http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2004/10/the_incumbent_r.html

None of this implies that the current standings will determine the final outcome. Where the race ends up a month from now could obviously be different. However, the incumbent rule tells us that, at any given moment, the President's percentage of the vote relative to 50% is a better indicator of where the race stands than the margin separating Bush and Kerry. It also suggests the appropriate way to read the final polls just before the election (and these are my ranges – others may differ): If the average result of all the final polls (including undecided) puts Bush's percentage at 50% or higher, the President will likely win. If Bush's percentage is 48%-49%, the race is headed for a photo finish. At 47% or lower, the President will likely lose (add 1% to these ranges in any state where Ralph Nader is not on the ballot)

The main point: The incumbent's level of support is more important than the margin.
 
Yup, I remember the "Dems could keep the House!" quotes days before - only to be followed up with the largest swing from one party to another in a century.

Undecideds always break against the incumbent. If Obama is not above 50% in enough States right before the election to get the electoral votes, he will lose. Even if he's up 47-42% in States with the remaining undecided, those are generally losses if the incumbent is not above 50%.
Yeah, Obama seems to be fucked. It looks like the trend from 2010 is holding firm. "Obama will get re-elected because he's up just enough in most of the swing states" is the new "Dems will hold the House."

Got a source on that?
Do you not remember the last midterm elections?
All of these polls in swing states don't mean shit if Obama can't pull away at >50%.
VA looks good today but you can expect polls to tighten as the election gets closer. It's still summer. I don't expect it to stay at or above 50 from now until the 7th of Nov.

We're drowning in faux optimism. I have the same gut feeling that I did in 2010 despite all the signs that show promising news for Democrats.
 
Midterms are different than generals. Turnout is much higher, for starters. For the most part the only people who show up at midterms are old white people. For the love of everything, calm down.
 
Yeah, Obama seems to be fucked. It looks like the trend from 2010 is holding firm. "Obama will get re-elected because he's up just enough in most of the swing states" is the new "Dems will hold the House."


Do you not remember the last midterm elections?
All of these polls in swing states don't mean shit if Obama can't pull away at >50%.
VA looks good today but you can expect polls to tighten as the election gets closer. It's still summer. I don't expect it to stay at or above 50 from now until the 7th of Nov.

We're drowning in faux optimism. I have the same gut feeling that I did in 2010 despite all the signs that show promising news for Democrats.
Wait, you exclaimed that last month was when the polls really counted. Yet now you're retreating to "it's still summer" to justify your despondency?
Jackson50 is a AAA-tier Poligaffer, you poor midcarders can suck it.
I feel validated.
 
This is a game changer. Voters don't know Romney yet, and I'd expect his numbers to improve in the run up to the convention and afterwards

This is partially the reason why Romney isn't out blasting the President at this point in the campaign - it will have no momentum come November. Yes, they will give out the standard talking points, but at this point they are just playing a rope-a-dope - let Obama continue with the Bain attacks, let him expend his capital on gay marriage and his Obamacare tax win to deflect from horrible jobs reports and simply tread water.

It's summer, people's minds are not on the election in any engaged way - it's background noise. Romney is just biding his time and will start throwing haymakers in September and October when they fully tap into the war chest.

:| they must not have been paying attention all these years he's been running.

Honestly, you're right. The American electorate, for the most part, is disengaged and doesn't care that much about political races.
 
Wait, you exclaimed that last month was when the polls really counted. Yet now you're retreating to "it's still summer" to justify your despondency?

Pretty much any time anyone brings up polls anyone who comments about the results seems to be going through a similar process for their candidate of choice.
 
It's summer, people's minds are not on the election in any engaged way - it's background noise. Romney is just biding his time and will start throwing haymakers in September and October when they fully tap into the war chest.

I can't wait to get 'engaged' with the war chest and 'haymakers'...

sighpolitics
 
It's summer, people's minds are not on the election in any engaged way - it's background noise. Romney is just biding his time and will start throwing haymakers in September and October when they fully tap into the war chest.

This campaign has flopped at nearly every given oppertunity. The only reason this poor excuse of a campaign won the nomination is that it was running against a group of people that were somehow worse at it than Romney was. What evidence is there that this campaign is capable of throwing "haymakers" toward a President everyone already knows everything about?

Romney isn't "out blasting the President" right now and hasn't been for the last year? lol, What world are you in?
 
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