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MonkeyKing said:
Romney will be blamed for not being conservative enough. The party will lurch further to the right, as conservatism never fails, it is only failed by those not sufficiently conservative
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as long as Barack is in the White House, the Republicans will just double....nay...triple down on the crazy.
 
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AlteredBeast said:
What I mean is that the Tea Party is what is galvanizing the party towards non-sensical conservatism and driving out what should have been the party's return (or endeavor) to moderation. The problem is, after getting swept in 2008, instead of doing the smart thing and latching onto progressive ideals, they were emboldened after winning in congress and around the country in local elections.
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Can you Imagine George Carlin right now?!?!? I mean he was pretty harsh on Regan and Bush back in the day, IMAGINE how batshit insane he would go in regards to the current republican climate.

EDIT: Id just like to say also that HW was a good President outside of some economic policy moves. He handled Iraq beautifully.. Sadly his son destroyed his legacy.
 
I think phrases like curb-stomp should be avoided, considering what the reaction would be if the giver and receiver were reversed might be.

/bleeding-heart
 
PantherLotus said:
I think phrases like curb-stomp should be avoided, considering what the reaction would be if the giver and receiver were reversed might be.

/bleeding-heart
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I was thinking the same thing. Made me cringe like when Oblivion says "broad" referring to any woman on TV. This coming from the least politically correct religious man I know.
 
PantherLotus said:
I think phrases like curb-stomp should be avoided, considering what the reaction would be if the giver and receiver were reversed might be.

/bleeding-heart
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You're right, how conservative of me.

Diablos said:
Ughhh, I hate it when Rendell does this shit.

He was a good Governor, but cmon.

He's just mad Hillary didn't get the nom because he would have been on the VP shortlist.
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Meh, who cares. He's one democrat and most of the country doesn't know who he is.

When Clinton starts talking I think people start paying attention, and he's been all up on Romney's shit.
 
Vestal said:
Can you Imagine George Carlin right now?!?!? I mean he was pretty harsh on Regan and Bush back in the day, IMAGINE how batshit insane he would go in regards to the current republican climate.

EDIT: Id just like to say also that HW was a good President outside of some economic policy moves. He handled Iraq beautifully.. Sadly his son destroyed his legacy.
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Carlin on Voting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek

Carlin on Global Warming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOBm2J4tn0&feature=related

The public sucks, fuck hope.
 
It begins.

Soon AlteredBeast will be voting for Obama.

Next: Palling around with Hitokage on exmormon.org.

WHERE WILL IT END AB? WHERE WILL IT END?
 
thezerofire said:
Ok, so my dad has repeatedly said recently that the economy is getting worse because more people have gone on unemployment than jobs were added. Is this even true? I can't keep up with the jobs situation well enough myself to say otherwise.

Also, my dad is a lawyer so it's basically impossible to argue with him on anything
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I think he's right on the facts, but he's mixing cause and effect.
More people are unemployed because the economy is shit, not the other way around.

Did he already forgot what got us into this mess?
It wasn't people collecting unemployment checks.

At best you can argue that unemployment benefits slowed down the recovery, but I think this is a pretty hard assertion to back up -
We're not short on working hands, we're short on consumer spending.

If he want to make a case about the deficit, well, we pay it from social security, and social security is doing fine.
 
Sirpopopop said:
It begins.

Soon AlteredBeast will be voting for Obama.

Next: Palling around with Hitokage on exmormon.org.

WHERE WILL IT END AB? WHERE WILL IT END?
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I will be a social conservative forever. However, I am center-left on economic policy and damn near always have been. Remember, I am the callous bastard who wants to raise taxes across the board and end silly tax incentives like mortgage interest tax write-offs for most people.

and I am still very much a mormon and try to live my life in accordance with those principles, unlike some people running for president right now.
 
AlteredBeast said:
I will be a social conservative forever. However, I am center-left on economic policy and damn near always have been. Remember, I am the callous bastard who wants to raise taxes across the board and end silly tax incentives like mortgage interest tax write-offs for most people.

and I am still very much a mormon and try to live my life in accordance with those principles, unlike some people running for president right now.
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I know that abortion is your defining issue with your social stance but is there anything else you stand by under the label of Social Conservatism? When I think of Social issues at the Federal level I think Abortion, Civil Rights, and Gay Rights (still Civil Rights technically but in general speach a different thing.) Does Immigration fall under here? Anyways, those are the big things. Where do you fall on these issues?

Don't feel the need to answer if you don't want to.

I guess gun control falls in here as well but people favoring regulation lost that battle a long time ago such that it's a moot point.
 
Blergmeister said:
I know that abortion is your defining issue with your social stance but is there anything else you stand by under the label of Social Conservatism? When I think of Social issues at the Federal level I think Abortion, Civil Rights, and Gay Rights (still Civil Rights technically but in general speach a different thing.) Does Immigration fall under here? Anyways, those are the big things. Where do you fall on these issues?

Don't feel the need to answer if you don't want to.

I guess gun control falls in here as well but people favoring regulation lost that battle a long time ago such that it's a moot point.
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Yeah those are the sorts of things I think of when I think socially conservative. AB's explained his abortion stance before, and I really can't fault him for it, really. It seems like a mostly reasonable stance from what I remember, so I don't really put him into being a huge social conservative for that. Gun control is an odd one for me, since I don't really associate that with being really really socially conservative. I have a ton of liberal friends that own guns, for instance. I think in Wisconsin, because of the hunting culture and all that guns aren't really segregated to just conservatives. I grew up around them and people owning them and so I don't particularly mind 'em.
 
Romney to give interviews to three major networks
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-cbs-nbc-abc-interviews-bain.php?ref=fpblg

Yup, all this doesn't matter, no one is paying attention, Obama is wasting time etc. Right Kosmo? :p

I can't fucking wait to see him asked the obvious question here: if you were CEO, president, and acting shareholder of a company during this disputed amount of time/years...how can you deny any and all associations?

Also what will he say when asked for more tax information
 
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Also, it's hilarious that the new Batman is about to come out with all this going on.


PhoenixDark said:
Romney to give interviews to three major networks
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-cbs-nbc-abc-interviews-bain.php?ref=fpblg

Yup, all this doesn't matter, no one is paying attention, Obama is wasting time etc. Right Kosmo? :p

I can't fucking wait to see him asked the obvious question here: if you were CEO, president, and acting shareholder of a company during this disputed amount of time/years...how can you deny any and all associations?

Also what will he say when asked for more tax information
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Just watch. Romney performs well under pressure. He's going to have a smooth as hell answer for everything.
 
Chichikov said:
I think he's right on the facts, but he's mixing cause and effect.
More people are unemployed because the economy is shit, not the other way around.

Did he already forgot what got us into this mess?
It wasn't people collecting unemployment checks.

At best you can argue that unemployment benefits slowed down the recovery, but I think this is a pretty hard assertion to back up -
We're not short on working hands, we're short on consumer spending.

If he want to make a case about the deficit, well, we pay it from social security, and social security is doing fine.
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He says it's because stupid people got mortgages they couldn't afford, and they should have known better
 
Clevinger said:
Just watch. Romney performs well under pressure. He's going to have a smooth as hell answer for everything.
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Romney only performs well under a certain type of pressure.

Do you know why he's been avoiding virtually every non-Fox News outlet? Because he's a floundering pussy who can't hold up well under pressure, unless that 'pressure' is from outlets that typically give him a rimjob. It's why he has collapsed his values with even the smallest push from his constituents. It's why he flip flops on every issue on earth. It's why he could barely hold up against Newt Gingrich and fuckin' Rick Santorum. The dude is not good under pressure by any measure.
 
Blergmeister said:
I know that abortion is your defining issue with your social stance but is there anything else you stand by under the label of Social Conservatism? When I think of Social issues at the Federal level I think Abortion, Civil Rights, and Gay Rights (still Civil Rights technically but in general speach a different thing.) Does Immigration fall under here? Anyways, those are the big things. Where do you fall on these issues?

Don't feel the need to answer if you don't want to.

I guess gun control falls in here as well but people favoring regulation lost that battle a long time ago such that it's a moot point.
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I feel like I am a pretty sensible person, and would believe that my political positions should fall under that same banner:

Pro-Life except in cases where the mother's life is in danger.

Gay Marriage - I believe gays should have all the legal protections and rights afforded to straight couples.

Civil Rights - I don't know what you mean by this, but if it is in reference to things like Affirmative Action, than I would say that is not great policy, but perhaps one needed to overcome the still ever-present institutionalized racism or classism. I do not enjoy the idea of arbitrarily selecting one candidate over another with otherwise equal qualifications due to race, and especially so if race and gender are weighted higher than experience, education, and other qualifications. I am not sure if you meant other civil rights, though.

Immigration should be plentiful, but also enforced in a way that rewards people for doing things the right way and punishes those responsible for doing things the wrong way.

Guns - I love to shoot them, they make me feel powerful in ways that are hard to describe. What scares me is that they do the same for sociopaths and people who cannot control their passions. I believe hunters have a right to hunt, but honestly wouldn't mind if guns outside of hunting rifles and shotguns were banned. Elections 2036 opposition research: you can use this post against me to frame me as some sort of gun-hating socialist.
 
Gray Man said:
People like Rick Santorum will never go away, and they won't ever be elected. Do you think he would have gotten half as far without the media? I don't.
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Oh you're right, but if Romney loses he gains the most from the "I told you so" crowd. Consider the next crop of major republican candidates:

-Chris Christie: appointed a Muslim judge, tried to appoint a gay black judge, supports infrastructure/stimulus, moderate on immigration

-Jeb Bush: has called out Grover Norquist, heavy emphasis on immigration/Hispanic issues

-Mitch Daniels: has advocated raising taxes in the past

There certainly are some better right wing candidates out there like Bob McDonnell, but if we learned anything this year it's that unless a candidate is naturally talented (Clinton, Bush, Obama, even John Edwards, etc) the first run is going to be rather awkward. Santorum already has experience, just as Romney had experience this time around. I think he's a criminally and laughably flawed candidate but he'll have a long list of people who owe him, more money, and more recognition than last time.

I'm not saying he'll be the nominee, but he'll certainly appeal to the base far more than the next crop of fiscal and social apostates gearing up to run.
 
Insane in the membainnnn

Amir0x said:
Romney only performs well under a certain type of pressure.

Do you know why he's been avoiding virtually every non-Fox News outlet? Because he's a floundering pussy who can't hold up well under pressure, unless that 'pressure' is from outlets that typically give him a rimjob. It's why he has collapsed his values with even the smallest push from his constituents. It's why he flip flops on every issue on earth. It's why he could barely hold up against Newt Gingrich and fuckin' Rick Santorum. The dude is not good under pressure by any measure.
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AND HE COULD STILL WIN

bawwww
 
AlteredBeast said:
I feel like I am a pretty sensible person, and would believe that my political positions should fall under that same banner:

Pro-Life except in cases where the mother's life is in danger.

Gay Marriage - I believe gays should have all the legal protections and rights afforded to straight couples.

Civil Rights - I don't know what you mean by this, but if it is in reference to things like Affirmative Action, than I would say that is not great policy, but perhaps one needed to overcome the still ever-present institutionalized racism or classism. I do not enjoy the idea of arbitrarily selecting one candidate over another with otherwise equal qualifications due to race, and especially so if race and gender are weighted higher than experience, education, and other qualifications. I am not sure if you meant other civil rights, though.

Immigration should be plentiful, but also enforced in a way that rewards people for doing things the right way and punishes those responsible for doing things the wrong way.

Guns - I love to shoot them, they make me feel powerful in ways that are hard to describe. What scares me is that they do the same for sociopaths and people who cannot control their passions. I believe hunters have a right to hunt, but honestly wouldn't mind if guns outside of hunting rifles and shotguns were banned. Elections 2036 opposition research: you can use this post against me to frame me as some sort of gun-hating socialist.
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I figured you didn't hold any positions that most are not sympathetic towards.

I generally feel the same with with you about guns. Although I'd try to find regulations that better target the availability of guns to criminals and would be stricter on the locations people can conceal carry them before a ban. Working in Wisconsin I thought it was fucked up when I came into work and saw the sign saying that this was a location that you cannot bring a weapon in just because it meant that I could have a gun there outside that door. I'd err on the side of places granting permission rather than stating restriction. It also blows my mind that people think it should be ok to bring guns on school campuses or in bars.

On Civil Rights the thing that came to my mind was not Affirmitive Action but the various Voter ID laws. What are your thoughts on this? I have nothing against the concept in the abstract but I feel it's plainly obvious that the laws proposed are being implemented in a way that "conveniently" harms certain segments of legal voters (targeting traditional Democratic blocs who are either young, poor, or poor minority). That and it seems that the threat is no where near real as far as the voter fraud this would catch.

Immigration is tough and I don't even know what an ideal solution would look like. To me, it doesn't look like we have much of a choice how many come through Mexico, so we might as well allow more in legally rather than have them come in illegally. Better to be in some control than none. That said, how do you deal with the ones that are here already? I believe the DREAM ACT is a good idea in general. I like the idea of some sort of "community service" being offered back society in return for citizenship, such as Military service or college graduation and staying within the country for the young, or maybe some form of back taxes (that doesn't break them) payed back. I feel like that would be a fair compromise.
 
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With the Romney campaign aggressively pushing back against reports that the candidate's tenure at Bain Capital lasted longer than he once claimed, one 2000 document filed by Romney could prove particularly difficult to explain away. Among other things the Jan. 3 2000 SEC filing says, “W. Mitt Romney is principally engaged in the business of serving as sole stockholder of BCI VI, Inc. (Bain Capital Investors VI)” — and it contains his signature. That stands in contrast with various financial disclosure forms filed by Romney in recent years claiming that he left the company entirely to run the Salt Lake City Olympics in 1999. H/T James Carter, who sent the document to BuzzFeed.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/is-this-sec-document-the-hardest-for-romney-to-exp#HTWF2
 
pigeon said:
Romney has never had a smooth as hell answer for ANYTHING in ten years of running for office.
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All I know is I watched one of those last primary debates where the pressure was on and everyone was ganging up on him, and he was pretty damn smooth with everything. Granted, that could have been 100% because of the debate coach that he subsequently fired because he was getting a lot of credit for his great performance.
 
thezerofire said:
Thanks guys.
Does people leaving the job search/rejoining it have anything do to do with anything here?
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Not at all, because people leaving/rejoining the job search were by definition out of work either way. All that people rejoining the job search does is make the unemployment numbers look worse, but the unemployment numbers are already artificially boosted by removing anybody who has given up hope of finding a job, so arguably it doesn't matter all that much. But it definitely has no ACTUAL effect. If anything, it means that people are getting more optimistic about being able to find something.
 
damn, i donno how you democrats done it but this nice conservative woman on twitter i follow @kgarrison blew the fuck up on twitter after the bain 99-02 shit leaked

really struck a nerve
 
PhoenixDark said:
Romney to give interviews to three major networks
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-cbs-nbc-abc-interviews-bain.php?ref=fpblg

Yup, all this doesn't matter, no one is paying attention, Obama is wasting time etc. Right Kosmo? :p

I can't fucking wait to see him asked the obvious question here: if you were CEO, president, and acting shareholder of a company during this disputed amount of time/years...how can you deny any and all associations?

Also what will he say when asked for more tax information
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Damn, you know it's bad that they forced his hand like this. Jesus....
 
Clevinger said:
Heh, Mitt's campaign told Drudge that Condi Rice is on the VP shortlist. I wonder if this is the first she's hearing about this.
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It seems it was.

Spox: Condi Rice Still Not Interested In VP Slot

The Drudge Report shook up the “veepstakes” on Thursday, suggesting that Condoleezza Rice has emerged near the top of Mitt Romney’s list of potential running mates. But a spokesperson for the former secretary of state tells ABC News Rice has no interest in the job. Rice’s previous statements, denying interest in the position, “still stand,” according to the report.
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Desperate attempt to change the subject: confirmed.
 
Clevinger said:
All I know is I watched one of those last primary debates where the pressure was on and everyone was ganging up on him, and he was pretty damn smooth with everything. Granted, that could have been 100% because of the debate coach that he subsequently fired because he was getting a lot of credit for his great performance.
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I think that's the only debate he looked decent in. Other than that when the pressure was on he usually looked like he was about to explode.
 
Judges Seem Ready To Mess With Texas’ Voter ID Law
In one of the more awkward exchanges, Hughes offered a semi-defense of literacy tests after one judge said that the reason literacy tests were racist years ago was because of inequalities in the education system. The judge asked if it was Texas’ theory that there would be a problem with literacy tests today. Setting aside other laws banning literacy tests and poll taxes, Hughes said he did not believe a literacy test would violate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.

When a judge noted that some voters would have to travel 120 miles to the nearest DMV to obtain a voter ID, Hughes argued that people in those areas had to travel “long distances to do any number of things.” The judge pointed out that people who live more than 100 miles from a courtroom aren’t even allowed to be subpoenaed because it is “unduly burdensome,” but Hughes argued that traveling far distances was a “reality to life of choosing to live in that part of Texas.”

The panel of judges were also highly critical of how Texas handled discovery during the case, pointing out that they did not request federal records about what Texas residents had forms of federal identification, such as passports. (Texas was making the case that many individuals who did not have a Texas drivers license might have a federal form of ID.)
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...id_trial_closing_arguments.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
 
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